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Anti-Piracy Blocklists Don’t Keep BitTorrent Spies Out

Anti-piracy groups are monitoring millions of BitTorrent users every year. Whether their end-game is to warn, threaten or sue, all public BitTorrent trackers are populated with companies that harvest IP-addresses. A new paper published on these monitoring activities describes the variety of techniques being employed, and shows that P2P-blocklists offer little protection.

When people use BitTorrent to download copyrighted material, there’s a good chance that their IP-addresses are being logged by anti-piracy groups. Just last week we showed that two of these companies were snooping on thousands of torrents.

Many privacy-conscious BitTorrent users are well-aware of this kind of monitoring activity and take measures to remain anonymous. The preferred way for many is to use a VPN or proxy which conceals their ISP IP-address.

Another group of BitTorrent users prefer a free option in the form of a blocklist. These blocklists prevent a BitTorrent client from connecting to IP-addresses that presumably belong to anti-piracy outfits.


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While these blocklists do provide some “security” they are not foolproof. Some anti-piracy groups are not recognized by the blocklist and therefore not blocked. This means that users who rely on them as their only means of protection are at risk of being logged.

In a new paper titled “The Unbearable Lightness of Monitoring: Direct Monitoring in BitTorrent,” researchers from the University of Birmingham try quantify this problem.

The researchers developed a methodology to detect which “peers” in a swarm are likely to be anti-piracy monitors. The research looked at 60 public torrent files and over a period of time they found 856 peers (on 5 subnets) that showed strong characteristics of monitoring agencies.

This data allowed them to compare their findings to the IP-addresses that are blocked by the popular i-Blocklist blocklist, to see how effective it is at keeping BitTorrent spies out.

Perhaps not surprisingly the blocklists doesn’t offer complete security. 69% of the IP-addresses of monitoring companies were blocked, but the other 31% were not. In other words, nearly one in three logging attempts bypassed the blocklist.

“Our direct monitoring analysis produced 593 peers (out of 856) that appear in subnets listed in the Anti-Infringement list. In addition, our analysis identifies 263 peers that, albeit displaying the same behaviour as monitoring peers do not currently appear in blocklists,” the researchers write.

“BitTorrent users should therefore not rely solely on such speculative blocklists to protect their privacy,” they add, suggesting that these BitTorrent users should add blocklists based on empirical research.

In addition to examining the effectiveness of i-Blocklist, the researchers also identified the prevalence of indirect versus direct detection methods.

In the past, indirect methods – where monitoring companies obtain lists of IP-addresses without connecting to the downloaders – have been heavily criticized. The main problem is that these lead to a high number of false accusations. For example, research has shown that due to shoddy techniques even a network printer can be accused of sharing copyrighted files on BitTorrent.

In the paper the researchers found that direct methods – where the anti-piracy group confirms that downloaders are actually sharing – are also widely used now. Their paper is first to provide evidence of direct monitoring, suggesting that monitoring companies are upping their accuracy.

For U.S. Internet subscribers the topic is relevant as the six-strikes anti-piracy scheme will be rolled out later this year. The Center for Copyright Information has yet to announce the names of the companies that will do the “spying” for the six-strikes system, and when they do it will be interesting to see what data gathering methods they use.

But whatever the answer, a blocklist alone is not going to prevent BitTorrent users from running into trouble.

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  • Jason

    Cant wait to see all the different browser addons and apps that will protect you from 6stikes. Haha. Still though vpn will be the best option for now.

    • Gear Mentation

       Actually no.  The best option is probably usenet.  But Bittorrent is very slightly easier to use, even though it doesn’t have nearly as much stuff.

      • http://kristen-r-turner.myopenid.com/ Kristen R Turner

        I don’t know anything about his skeletons, so maybe they are relevant here, but I’m just guessing that we can trust him to try to do what we want most: DESTROY THE MAFIAA AND THE UNITED STATES-LEAD COPYRIGHT SYSTEM. http://Unlimitedjoys.blogspot.com

      • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

        Doesn’t have nearly as much stuff? I’m not too sure about that. If you compare, it’s probably about equal between the two.

        • Gear Mentation

           Doesn’t seem so to me.  The popular stuff appears on both, but usenet has lots of other stuff like audiobooks.

        • http://twitter.com/SamqSimson SamqSimson

          like Maria explained I didn’t know that a single mom can make $5419 in 4 weeks on the network. have you look this (Click on menu Home)

        • http://twitter.com/SamqSimson SamqSimson


          goo.gl/EauOr

        • http://twitter.com/MonicaDWatson Monica D. Watson

          Most would rather be cruising the streets in their flashy new cars (if they can drive), http://Millionaire4Project.blogspot.com later to be repo’d if they flop – possibly from poor marketing, or production.

        • http://twitter.com/MichealPredo MichealPredo

          Anita explained I’m startled that anyone able to profit $5184 in a few weeks on the network. have you seen this(Click on menu Home)

        • http://twitter.com/MichealPredo MichealPredo


          goo.gl/nAuPj

        • Cheesethief

          I’ll take protection over content, even if that means slightly lacking in available wares

        • http://twitter.com/JenniferRickert Jennifer Rickert

          Private trackers are the community.  What’s the alternative?  TPB?  Sites infested with malware where no one seeds?  Please tell me you’re joking. http://Unlimitedjoys.blogspot.com

      • meowmix

        i’ve been using usenet for the best part of 20 years, anything _new_ i want, i check there first. older stuff, i do a search through 3+ years of old posts using newsleechers unreliable search, then use binsearch.. if i cannot find it then, i troll through a few torrent sites. i go to torrents as a last resort.

        • 187654

           You’ve been using it for nearly 20  years and you STILL don’t know the
          3 rules of it ?
          1 : You do not talk about ……
          2 : You do not talk about ……
          3 : YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT ……

      • djnforce9

        Or just use private trackers if you can get invited into any of them. Very unlikely an anti-piracy outfit will breech them (but not impossible of course).

        • Kernel !Panic

           what.cd is a very good private tracker and its near impossible to infiltrate because of the download limits and ratio stuff

        • Cheesethief

          What’s to stop someone from actually using a little intelligence and actually ADHERING to the download limits and ratio on what.cd WHILST harvesting IP addresses

          honest question

        • Deno@XS

          Top private sites are already targeted by the MAFiAA.  And even mid-size ones like XS are under watch … but this time they don’t wanna take the sites down, they wanna get the people behind and perhaps even the members, just to set an example …

      • Eee

        usenet = pay to leach, rather do the free option and vpn emule and use seedboxes with vc to use desktop on another pc and download/view from seedbox.

        • Cheesethief

          So your not paying for the VPN and/or seedbox right?

      • Tixatiuser

        usenet is great. lots of rare stuff, not dvd sometimes but still good quality. clients for bittorrent like tixati or deluge are much easier to use than programs like PAN that access news groups. usenet is probably on their radar to shutdown. I can’t believe they haven’t gone after them already. I’m keeping my fingers crossed usenet stays around.

    • Max

      Ever run Berkeley University analysis tool on those VPN services? I’ve seen some questionable results
      Link so you can check yourself:
      http://netalyzr.icsi.berkeley.edu/

      • Anon

        Thanks for that link, just ran it for two VPN services I was considering after the free test period and it turns out my real IP address is not really hidden at all!  
        Use this tool folks before you sign up to a VPN service. 

        • 187654

           Of course your IP isn’t hidden, the ‘tool’ is running ON YOUR COMPUTER !
          Even a simple browser-java-script can find out the IP of the host it’s running on .
          How do you imagine you can hide anything from applications running on your computer ?

        • 187654

          It’s the same with Flash .
          http://dl.packetstormsecurity.net/0610-advisories/Practical_Onion_Hacking.pdf

          Applications running on your computer know where they are running or could if they wanted to ..
          Jeez, it ain’t exactly rocket-science !

        • Max

          I disagree. While the VPN is running, apps on your machine should see the external IP address of the VPN service.

          If the VPN is configured correctly, apps running on your PC will only see your VPN interface. Otherwise you’re split-tunneling, which pretty much negates the purpose of the VPN.

          Remember, torrent clients also run on your machine. You don’t want it to bypass your VPN, right?

      • Guest

        That test, despite being a Java applet that runs on your computer, failed to reveal my true IP address, and shows that IPv6 is locked down tight, as expected. Thank you, AirVPN.

        • Anon

          Good for you! Now tell that to Mr. wise-guy 187654 right above you, please. Jeez… 

    • Loh

       they used one blocklist, which i have never used, and the other one instead of just using default, adding list to it by looking up the list. This test is flawed because it did not use multi list or a better client or blocklist to test the effectiveness. This is like having a toyota 4clndr car race a mercedes 700 series. This article above is flawed in a major way.

  • thankstotheweb

    How do these results apply to private trackers? Or was this only looking at public trackers and the peers in those swarms?

    • Anyone

      private trackers are infiltrated by those companies as well, at least more popular ones, if there is enough to gain

      even if not, if the MAFIAA ever comes knocking with a plea bargain you will most likely be sold out

      private trackers have to die, they are bad for the community

      • Qwerty

        Wouldn’t they be breaking teh law too then, if they were monitoring private tracker where you must seed to not get banned? Not that I see them getting invites in the first place.

        • Mnjugg

          If they are sharing their own music then the answer is no.  

        • BJonesTF

          Most companies have people whose job is just to get (and reget) memberships to sites.

          They’ve been infiltrated for a LONG time – the sub-24 hour takedown of elitetorrents should have shown that! 

          They’re also a goldmine because users there are actually LESS private, thanks to all the information you give up and let them store. 

          It’s actually pretty obvious when you think about it for a minute, BUT people seem to think there’s little loopholes that makes them safe, that don’t actually exist (like they have to use their corporate IP addresses, they can’t share data etc)

          And you know who loves pay2leech? These companies. Not only does it bolster their ratio, it also helps prove their case if/when it goes to court.

        • Guest321

          You don’t need to know people anymore to get invites. Selling of invites for 10-20 bucks is rampant all over the Internet.

      • Really

         Are you kidding?  Private trackers are the community.  What’s the alternative?  TPB?  Sites infested with malware where no one seeds?  Please tell me you’re joking.

        Not to mention the fact that there are plenty of sites that have gone down without selling out their users.

        Don’t talk about things you obviously have no idea about.

        • Really

           Edit:  Though you’re right — private sites are infiltrated as well.

        • Anyone

          TPB has hardly any fakes or malware, just look for a user with a skull symbol and don’t leave your brain at the door

          the torrents are shared quite good, even some older stuff

          and if TPB goes down all the torrents still work, because they don’t have the private flag set
          if a private tracker goes down all torrents are dead

        • ANo

          “”Don’t talk about things you obviously have no idea about.“”
          Why so condescending,  dear great knowledgeable, superior of ours ?

          To add to what my subordinate equal, @f05af58b8c10e93b3595bb996aad4e5d:disqus  said…..
          Where are all those tv shows that were on UKNova ?
          Where are some of those files that were on Demonoid ?
          What about all the files that were on rapidshare, megaupload, fileserve, hotfile etc….

          CENTRALIZED ACCESS TO UNIQUE FILES ……
          disappear when the central node goes.

          You want to talk about community ?
          Then all the private trackers should up their users unique content to public trackers.
          The next CENTRALIZED site to go  = less files for the COMMUNITY as a whole.

          It was nice of you to throw your subordinate a bone.
          “”Though you’re right — private sites are infiltrated as well.”"
          You are indeed, a humble superior with intellect too.

        • Guest421

          On public sites like TPB people share because the want to, not because they are forced by some rules. Seeders out there do much more for bittorrent community than those of private trackers.

        • Karl

          private trackers are a pain in the ass. TPB is not infected with much crap, it gets removed quickly. The alternative place to search is tixati channels. If you make a private channel and only give the link out to trusted people, no RIAA/MPAA a-hole is going to get you.

      • Gargamel

         Sorry it took me a couple of minutes to stop laughing at your post.

        Your obviously some bitter little Troll that can’t get into any good private sites.

        And no, don’t ask cause I won’t get you in. Idiots like you can stay on the TPB.

        • Anyone

          I am on the private trackers I want to be ;)
          don’t assume, you know what that does

          but I generally prefer public trackers, they are much less hassle
          I only use the private trackers if I can’t find something on TPB

        • Guest719

           To be honest much often I go to TPB because I can’t find something on the private ones.

    • CheeryOne

       these results are mostly about public trackers, but that’s not to say there are no companies watching ‘private’ trackers… The sort who give away membership for free… even those who give away membership on IRC, or forums, if you can get an account they can, there are few truly private trackers. Primary Distribution isn’t usually even done with trackers… so, don’t think you’re safe with Private.

    • puddipuddi

      The one thing that I’m curious about them getting away with this on private trackers is the banned client list.  They obviously use some kind of a hacked client to harvest ip’s, so how do they get by the detection system of a private tracker?  I remember one time somebody accidentally upgraded my 2.2.1 to the latest version, and I couldn’t download because the new client was on the blacklist.  So I had to downgrade to get back to business.

      • Whatever

        It’s not like the hacked clients are going to tell the private trackers that they are in fact a hacked version.

        An undercover policeman also wouldn’t infiltrate by showing off his badge.

      • Anyone

        the clients can report whatever string they want
        they simply have their client report one of the whitelisted clients

        it’s not like they scan your computer, they simply rely on your client to report its version

    • Andrew Lee

       That’s a pretty good question and like the guy said most likely yes. It’s not that hard to get a invite especially if you buy access.. “I mean donate”

      Still this is pointless their tracking methods are seriously flawed and could end up targeting many innocent people if someone set out to prove a point.

  • CheeryOne

    We should really stop downloading their cruddy stuff as well as buying it. Can’t really wait for a non Mafiaaa supported distribution system, Hurry up Kim.

    • Steve Donaghy

       I’m all for supporting Kim Dotcom’s lawsuit against the US after what they did to what was, frankly, a legitimate business. However, I wouldn’t be so quick to get behind him as some kind of “Hero” to the system. Frankly, he’s got a bit of a history himself and I very much doubt that his conscience is entirely clean (not that he cares). Basically what I’m saying is that he’s got a few skeletons in his closet and I wouldn’t completely trust him.

      • Gust

         that’s a cute thought, but do you know anyone who succeeded in business with an “entirely clean” conscience? (i mean appart from mom and pop restaurant..)

      • Gear Mentation

         But you trust completely “clean” heroes?  Heh.  Let him break the MAFIAA and then screw someone over.  It’s the overall trend of his work that we should trust.  And that trend is to break the MAFIAA.  I don’t know anything about his skeletons, so maybe they are relevant here, but I’m just guessing that we can trust him to try to do what we want most: DESTROY THE MAFIAA AND THE UNITED STATES-LEAD COPYRIGHT SYSTEM.

      • CheeryOne

         Yes, history he does have. I firmly believe future ventures will be better conceived now he’s in the spotlight. Not least of those, the means for artists to be remunerated fairly, distribution and access to be and low-cost. No vile contracts, no artists losing copyright to their own artwork (<~ get this artwork.. not IP!).

        The day to smile is when major artists realise there's a workable system in place (future) that can be lucrative if effort is put in to the art-form. No more CD's with 10-20 tracks, of which 16 are fillers, 2 are b-sides, 2 are ok – because you're fulfilling your contractual obligations.

        So, Artists! Liberate yourselves from thy oppressive masters, sail the high seas with your head held high, salty air in your lungs, believe in humanity, believe that you will receive donations from some, believe that others won't give you the lint in their barren pockets, believe that others won't part with a dime, for they never would have. But your art will be out there, in the minds of your viewers/listeners advertising for you for free, widening your audience, and if you're worth it, lining your pockets from your good work.

        That is of course an idealist painting of the landscape of artists. There are many who are mere creations to feed the needs of the masses. Why do we as a society entertain this sickness? Boy bands etc, People brought together by corporations to produce noise to sell to children, and people with the mental age of children?.. When did we invite fast-food, processed food logistics into art?… ART! There's no art in strangers, studio musicians producing noise as their day job to go home to a hearty argument with their wife… because music at that point is far from their love in life… for Boy bands to be foisted on hordes of screaming kids upon an evening; Because that's what their contract obligates them to do… Most would rather be cruising the streets in their flashy new cars (if they can drive), later to be repo'd if they flop – possibly from poor marketing, or production.

        So what's the answer? For society to re-embrace art, for us to educate our fellow humans, to socialize more, to give more, raise all of our children to appreciate creativity from people and flatly reject corporate intere$t in our Arts

        CL

        • http://avatarsankh.blogspot.com/ Xyzzy

           ”There are many who are mere creations to feed the needs of the masses. Why do we as a society entertain this sickness?”

          Two reasons. One is that what one person considers ‘art’ that had a profound effect on them, the next considers fast-food trash, to the point that many of the historic writers we consider literary artists were viewed in their own day as lowbrow trash.  Second is that even the majority of artists and highly-educated people capable of seeing the true depth & historical significance in works find it important to relax with purely enjoyable (though not necessarily intellectually stimulating) creations.

  • 1Maenad

    Yes! Brave & Madagascar are now available on DVD. *heads on over to TPB*

    • Anyone

      excellent, thanks for pointing it out
      I only skimmed the list and didn’t notice it

      *heads over to TPB*

  • Gear Mentation

    I wonder what the effect of blocking entire nations is?  If you block, say, the United States and Britian and France?  And when do we get an update on anon bittorrent?

    • 187654

       The effect is that you don’t make any connections to peers in the same jurisdiction as yourself or to peers in jurisdictions you don’t want to get extradited to .

  • http://twitter.com/HoustonLawy3r Rob Cashman, Esq.

    I agree that software such as PeerGuardian 2 or PeerBlock has holes, but it still should be used as an effective privacy tool.  Just because a cop can still catch you speeding if you use a radar detector doesn’t mean that the radar detector is still useful.

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      Quite true. Though personally I don’t use PeerBlock or PeerGuardian and I have never gotten caught.

      What’s up with that? Hmm…. must be because they have seen my posts online and know that I wouldn’t go down without a fight.

      • Gear Mentation

        First, how do you know you haven’t been caught?  Second, no they don’t do that much research.

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          Simple: No letters, no ‘nastygrams’ via e-mail from my internet service provider, etc.

          Considering some of the things I have torrented, you would think that I would be ‘high’ on their list.

          No, sounds like a bunch of FUD, as I said.

      • Gear Mentation

         Well good luck, I hope you come back and tell us your experience after they start the strikes program.

      • downunder

         you should always use peer block 1.1 even if the snoop is not
        in the antip2p blocklist of ips.. you can manually add own
        if suspect someone not sharing or snooping its easy to add

        but the main reason is antip2p also sharing bad data
        of the same file and can waste your data cap with isp
        check wasted data in utorrent general tab if its very high you have
        them doing it to you (fake seeders etc) or very high number of hit and runs which would be odd as well

        but you only use this with other tools.. its one of many defenses
        one should use.. you have to use ip hiding techniques as well

        they will come knocking if not at some point

        but I check the said ips they collected on various uploaders
        locations and can see they arent remotely correct

    • CheeryOne

       That doesn’t even make sense.

      I think you meant: “Just because a cop has a lower chance of detecting your true speed with a radar gun while you use a radar detector, doesn’t mean that radar guns are useless against others”.

      All that peer stuff is useless, dynamic IP’s are easy to come by for researchers, it’s just whack-a-mole, but you never know when there’s a mole with an uzi.

    • BJonesTF

      This would be true, if your analogy was valid. It’s not. Now if your speeding ‘alert’ went off for Fords, on the assumption that since the observable cop cars are all Fords, then the ubobservable ones are too.

      Now your alarm is going off for any ford, and ‘protecting you’, meanwhile the cops are using dodge challengers or some other make and can see your activity. You’re so fixated on who you think the bad guys are, that you think you’re safe and ignore the real threats. All the while pointing to the pinto that just went past and saying ‘look I was protected’

      Blocklists do not work, have never worked and WILL NEVER WORK.
      This is just the latest in a long line of papers that prove that.

      • Violated0

        That sounds awfully pessimistic. If the goal is 100% success then yes they do not work and never will. However even a 69% success rate is 69% more than not using it namely 0% where 7 out of 10 is fair odds of avoiding being tracked.

        Since it is hard to even consider current VPN or Tor as being 100% successful either then each one of these technologies are just increasing your odds of avoiding being detected through one means or another.

        So I would recommend Blocklists myself as being one part of your shield to help keep you anonymous and untracked. Add in a VPN and browsing through Tor and things then seem rather cozy.

        • john doe

          Maybe even by itself the result is not bad.

          If the direct (connecting) methods of detection are the most prevalent now, then although the risk of getting caught rises, the effectivity of using the blocklist also rises, since the indirect (non-connecting) methods can never be prevented by using a blocklist.

          Doesn’t make sense?

        • Guest515

           It’s 0% success not 69%, your IP is still there for anyone that want to obtain it. To connect they need your IP first, sure you can block direct connections then.

      • Xult

        Although your argument about blocklists have merit.
        I must make you aware of one very useful thing that peerblock does.
        When using utorrent I also use a vpn.
        Sometimes the vpn does not hide my ip address.
        One way of me knowing which ip address my pc is reporting is
        by having peerblock report the known anti p2p agencies that
        are attempting to connect to my pc!
        Peerblock tells me which ip address they attempting to connect to.
        If they are attempting to connect to xxx.xxx.xxx then I am not hidden.
        If they are attempting to connect to xx.xyx.xxy then I am hidden.
        Very useful tool which I recommend to all.

        • BJonesTF

          *sigh* it’s not ‘known p2p agencies’

          It’s IP addresses some random group SAYS belongs to that agency.
          The only way they’d know if those IP’s actually belonged to them, was if they were working with them.

  • Gi

    protowall, peerguardian, peerblock…
    i uninstalled them all many years ago :D

    • downunder

       thats stupid then as I stated above

    • FreeBSD

      Yeah, I would be very disappointed by the tracking agencies/researchers if block-lists and such had the slightest effect. 

  • Whatever

    At 69% blocked, i find that this is suprisingly high. Now that the research is done the found IP addresses can be added to that list, right ? That should put them a few more steps behind.

    “AT” Gear Mentation (at sign does something weird here): I think it would best to block your own country and the countries where the local MAFIAA employs their monitoring companies if known. Or even better, block the world except for Norway.

    Norway, the gateway to bittorrent.

    • Gear Mentation

       lol, Go Norway.  Yeah, I just don’t know whether they employ, for example, Russian companies to do their spying for them.

  • Whatever

    At 69% blocked, i find that this is suprisingly high. Now that the
    research is done the found IP addresses can be added to that list,
    right ? That should put them a few more steps behind.

    “AT” Gear Mentation (at sign does something weird here): I think it
    would best to block your own country and the countries where the local
    MAFIAA employs their monitoring companies if known. Or even better,
    block the world except for Norway.

    Norway, the gateway to bittorrent.

  • Whatever

    Sorry, for the double post but somehow it didn’t seem to work.

    Browser was behaving weird (No virus, just trying to click to many things to fast).

    • Gear Mentation

      The software used on this site works in a weird way.

  • Bubba Buttcakes

     bittorrent is pretty much coming to an end, slowly.  Anything you can do they can do and more effectively.  They have a fatter wallet.   VPN’s do not work against court orders.  Only those warning mails. If anyone thinks a VPN will take the fall for them then they are crazy.  When court orders start dropping, peoples ip’s that they used to connect to that VPN is going to given up.  

    They’ve hammered the bigger communities.  Not to many left and with the risk anymore very few people will try and start one up to instantly find themselves in a lawsuit. Doubt TPB will be around for another year. 

    As someone already said private trackers.  If you can get in so can they. They’ve probably been there longer than you. lol.  So you are still being watched and probably have a much smaller selection of stuff.

    It is what it is..

    • Gear Mentation

       Oh, don’t be so negative.  Bittorrent as is will soon come to an end, but that doesn’t mean piracy will stop.  On the contrary, we seem to be heading for distribution systems which can only be stopped by limiting bandwidth.  Which is a very difficult sell.

      • downunder

         they can order a vpn but its no good if they have logs off
        and 1000s of users per server..

        one would hope the vpn is forced to turn back on logs or lost control
        that they would take down the service and also email its members thats it no longer private

        the thing with all this anti p2p stuff is the more they control it
        the more criminals will profit as they will be the ones setting up
        vpns and secret websites outside gov and police reaches

    • Shogunreaper

      Doesn’t matter if they have a court order, any decent vpn company won’t be keeping the records long enough for it to matter.

      • Gear Mentation

         Yes, hopefully.  You have to do a lot of research though to make sure you VPN is trustworthy that way.  That they keep no logs etc.  The one I would trust most would be Ipredator because you know TPB people will try to keep you safe.  I wonder what would happen if they got a spy in a VPN company?

        • Guest

          Sweden is getting more vulnerable with incoming logging policies, spies don’t need access to the company when they use inferior methods to protect customers. The provider you mention uses a protocol that has been utterly destroyed and should be considered insecure. Sweden already has big brother in place called the Titan Traffic Database.

          Research:
          MS-CHAP Wiki
          Titan Traffic Database
          MS-CHAPv2 insecure (Google)

    • Violated0

      BitTorrent is just the battleground.

      Both sides can fight this technology War but who wins can well depend on who is better armed with the better technology. If this War is lost then so would BT  be lost but we already know that something better would replace it.

    • Waseihou

      Bittorrent is not going to stop. There is a working tracker on i2p anonymity network – http://www.i2p2.de to get software for that network and the tracker then has address http://tracker2.postman.i2p/, there is some stuff already like films and series, but because i2p network has a low user base, it is slow and download speed are only about 20kb/sec, but when that six-strikes anti-piracy scheme kicks in, then more and more people can be interested in this network.

      Another option would be enhance bittorrent protocol or fork it an create a new one similar, that would require any peer to first obtain some blocks/files from the files he want to download by another mean (like through i2p, tor or any anonymizing mixnet) and share them and upload them to someone, and only when they uploaded first they can download from others. This mechanisms ensures that if the content being shared is infringing someones copyright, then the spying company has to break the law too to obtain list of participants in swarm, and then such a list cannot be used as an evidence in any court. They just can’t break law, only police sometimes can, but not in all jurisdictions.

      Another enhancenment of the protocol could be to allow to download only from IP’s from some countries, which the user would have to setup accroding to his laws in his country. For example I can be most probably caught if I upload to IP in my country, but most probably I’m safe if I upload to someone in Russia, Malaysia, Japan or some other distant country. In the same way, people in countries with tough copyright law like Japan does not want to connect to other random people in that same country, but it would be safe for them to connect to someone in the Europe. Any enhancenment to bittorrent should then also consider using geographical location to increase user’s security.

      Waseihou

      • Red

         why not just use emule over vpn or imule (anon emule? they both work fine

    • Wallace

      Dude, have you ever tried to sue a Bittorrent user?

      The main reason BT became popular 8 years ago still stands – it’s hard as hell to make charge of distribution stick against an individual user, for obvious reasons (they’re not distributing in the same sense a bootlegger is).

      As long as they don’t copyright-troll you, it’s actually better if they see you because it gives them incentive to improve their services.

      Maybe BT will go away to be replaced by $1 legal torrent files. I’d buy em.

      • Wallace

        Actually, you’d use the purchased torrent files WITH BT and the other ones are unauthorized, not illegal, but other than that I agree with myself.

      • downunder

         $1 for a movie download perhaps we buy but
        not for a crappy tv show.. $2 a season perhaps

    • Yyy

       so how are they supposed to take down a tor website?

  • Yourejoking

    Right… Because they are going to go to jail or pay your fines for your online habbits when they run a LEGAL business,  

    Google Topiary and read up how he got busted.  You are so right… -.- Then start looking at all the sub groups of Anonymous that have been busted this year.  You don’t think that they were all behind atleast 1 VPN

    • 187654

       Yeah, an ‘Anonymous-member’ got busted in my country .
      The idiot was running LOIC from his own IP, in a country where we log
      all HTTP-requests !  Imagine how hard it was to bust his 16 year old butt ??

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  • Guest

    Of course there’s no protection, they don’t need to connect to your system to prove infringement has occurred, they just need to prove that your IP was seen in a particular swarm.

    PeerGuardian doesn’t guard against what they like to think it does and thus is a load of crap.

    • 187654

       YES they DO have to PROVE, beyond a reasonable doubt, that you did whatever they claim you did . At least here in the free World where I live .
      They have to PROVE ‘distribution’ . NO, a screenshot with your IP is NOT ‘proof’ !
      Can’t say what it’s like in that third-world police-state called America .
      I imagine ODubya just sends a drone or something ..
      But just because americans are a paranoid bunch living in a full-blown dictatorship doesn’t mean that the rest of us do .
      So please stop talking generalized BS, you are just helping them with the FUD-spreading, making everybody more paranoid than there is reason to be .

      • Anonymous

        You’re the one spreading FUD, do you happen to work for PeerGuardian or the RIAA by any chance?

        • Guest

          Don’t bother replying to 187654 he is a troll and doesn’t understand how the process actually works, hence why old lades and the deceased get warning letters. this is proof enough that collecting IPs is ENOUGH for a court to throw down a conviction whatever anyone says to the contary is simply uneducated and shouldn’t embarrass themselves in replying.

        • http://twitter.com/krozareq krozareq

          Guest hits the nail on this one. They don’t need proof at all. The system IS guilty until proven innocent. They won’t charge you unless they have enough to convict. In that event, it’s up to the defendant to pay outrageous amounts of money to form a proper defense. So you say an IP != Individual? Okay… PROVE IT. Evidence costs money. 

          If you don’t take the plea deal, they’ll charge you for every single count of piracy. Remember, that’s 5 years EACH. Why do you think average Joes don’t fight this shit in court?

  • Violated0

    Avoiding such peer tracking companies should be seen like having safe sex in other words since one avoidance method can rarely fail then it is best to always go with two for added safety.

    It seems to me like I-Blocklist needs an update. We also need to harness technology to fight back including an active search like described in this paper. When these bastards try to hack your VPN then you know it is time to get pro-active against them.

    There is at least some good news I see when at least these anti-piracy/privacy groups have given up on passive swarm tracking. To get active in confirming that copyrighted data is being transferred is at least 1/3rd of the way there. The other 2/3rds would be validation what behind the IP did it and then to exclude fair use matters within the law.

    This is not such a surprise though when anyone doing it the old way would be running a Mickey Mouse operation that everyone would just laugh at.

  • Guest

    None of this matters. They can track all they like. It still doesn’t prove anything. So what, you connected to a swarm. That’s all they can tell, unless you upload some data to them. If you do that though, they must be held accountable for the same things they’re trying to accuse you of. They don’t know if you’ve shared 1 byte or 1GB except when it’s with them and they would therefore be either using entrapment or assisting in the “crime”.

    • chronoss chiron

      so they put 500 out of 550 peers in a swarm and you prolly ending up seeding a complete copy to them and re boned 

      thats what you get for using public trackers.

      • Guest

        Don’t use them, don’t use bittorrent much anymore. You didn’t upload a complete file in one go. At the end of the day there’s no money involved and we’re talking zeros and ones. If they don’t want their shit copied they shouldn’t release it. They can keep it if they feel that bad.

        • Pelham123

          I like the new solution “just do without.” Sounds good to me.

    • Guest

      Connecting to a swarm is all it takes for legal letters to be sent out, connecting to your system is just a bonus for them, but doesn’t add much in legal regard, you try mounting a defense against them when it’s at your own cost, until that happens, IP will always be seen as an individual in their eyes and the legal system will bleed you dry in protecting otherwise.

  • chronoss chiron

    dont ya love public trackers…..NOT

  • WrangVoo

    Man thats kinda crazy shen you think about it dude.

    Anon-IP.tk 

  • Guest

    “Anti-Piracy Blocklists Don’t Keep BitTorrent Spies Out”

    You know thanks to the 6 strikes coming we will have a great opportunity to test that.

    The French tested this already with HADOPI and they concluded that blocklists do seem to work. Actually 95% of the flagged never get flagged again.

    Of course there is many alternative strategies to be tested as well.
     

    • 1hhh1

       Here in Paris it was not working?illegal data sharing on peer-to-peer networks decreased by 43 percent now at over 60%.No matter what, music industry officials are unlikely to let up on
      piracy. More than likely, they will adopt the argument that media sales
      would be even lower without ISP monitoring.

      • 187654

         ’music industry officials’

        You mean like ‘civil servants’ or what ?
        ‘officials’ .. They are a private company for crying out loud !

  • foff

    What we need is another layer.  We need basically an ip tracker.  The purpose of this would be to take your ip assign you a number and hook you up to a torrent.  It would not be a vpn per se but would basically wash any swarm of identifiable information.  

    If something like this were is place then may be just may be it would make monitoring torrents too much trouble to be worth it.  The only reason they are doing all this nonsense is because they can.  In my opinion this monitoring doesn’t have much teeth in it.  

    Fast forward twenty years if you can download a blu ray in seconds and you have 50 terabyte drives available the industry will be forced to changed models.  If we all had 55″ inch oled srceens and surround sound why would anyone need to go to the movies.  They could stream it straight to your house and could make a billion in one day on new run movie.  Why the fuck show a movie to a few select audiences in movie theaters why not just stream it to billions.  The theater and disc distribution is a dinosaur system that is in the way of the industry making billions over night.  Why oh why fuck can’t the industry see what goldmine the internet could be.

  • MadAsASnake

    The part of the report that interested me is the bit where the authors say that they didn’t find a single one of these watchers actually attempting to download files (or even pieces). Given the number of spoof IP’s added in bit torrent swarms, this guarantees that a fair percentage of the records will be quite simply false. This is how these jerks manage to accuse printers and old ladies without computers. When used to accuse people, it also guarantees a fair percentage of the accused really will have nothing to do with it. This sort of evidence is unlikely to fare well in courts (at least the ones that actually want evidence…). While they can do a lot better than ACS and GEIL without much effort, it’s just not good enough. The very best these guys can do still means they don’t know who did it….

  • Gupta

    I will steal the internet in teh next six months, while I still can. I live in a place where not one person has ever been prosecuted or given a notice for infringement. Why? Not one American can speak the language of this country. It’s to secret so don’t tell anyone. Plus if they do find me I’m not paying. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

    That cake was a spy!

    • :D

       *whacks with wrench*
      Nope.avi

      *gets backstabbed with Spycicle*
      Aw shit. :(

  • Blank

    Canada ftw

  • Anyone

    IP blocking doesn’t work for TPB, it doesn’t work for the people monitoring swarms either

  • Sketch

    i wish i had a nickel for everytime ive ever posted these 4 words….well one is more like an acronym….. VPN OR DIE MOTHERFUCKERS!!!!!!

  • tmc8080

    Well, yes and no.. Yes in the sense that if their IP connects to your computer it will spit them back out or not let them connect to your computer (IMO, if they can’t connect, they they can’t PROVE infringement) on the other hand, apparently just copying down the ip address of the swarm and sending out warnings would appear to be enough (to take action under 6 strikes).. for at least warnings to go out (once they violate your priavcy..).. however, more correctly.. a VPN does put a “box” or ISP in the middle so any internet activity is traced to the secondary ISP.. although this is not strictly the case if the VPN doesn’t do a good job at anonymizing the connection.. Afterall, your browser, and certain apps will store your “LOCAL” ip address and in certain circumstances SHARE that ip.. so you need to take FURTHER possible steps to make sure your IP doesn’t pass through.. so EDUCATE YOURSELF…

    I seriously doubt the ‘killer app’ will cause the ISPs to cut their nose to spite their face… several Euro nations tried it and it backfired.. Then again, once the election is over with.. all bets on how far the corruption goes is off..

  • MonkeysayMonkeydo

    How about a torrent site with membership, that membership only being given after a upload by the wannabe member and a period of confirmation of valid file

    • Anyone

      “private” sites are not private
      and once the tracker goes down all torrents are dead, that is simply not a good solution

    • Valter2au

       Here is a simple idea that might shake things up.
      If someone who has access to letterheads of a provider could publish it. We could submit the movie studios advertising sites etc as being copy infringers, and gradually deprive them of any oxygen.

  • Ipodrx

    By the by, some companies *cough* Verizon *cough* have already put in place their six-strike system. I work on their tech support and had a customer the other day calling in complaining that they were going to have their connection limited because they had reached the 5th level of the system. Had to explain that the RIAA had reported them and that it was for using P2P software. Husband jumps on the line and starts yelling at me telling me that the program was supposed the allow them a safe free download of music. I about laughed on the call and told him to complain to the software manufacture about and for the time being no longer use that software.

    Verizon has had their six-strike system in place since December 2011, the reports against people on the verizon service are not incredibly prevalent. Basically they have a special network walled garden for copyright infringement that directs you to a page where for the first 3 violations you are put to a page where they tell you what is going on and how to appeal. The 5th and 6th violation the page will display a few different options but in the end you either appeal, or get your connection limited immediately or in 14 days. After the 6th violation the ISP can then determine what to do, suspend your server, limit your server, release your information to the CCI or terminate your service.

    Eventually I will get the documents and I can then put them up online to expose a very clear picture of what the six-strikes system looks like. At the moment is actually isn’t as scary as it seems, hopefully the anti-piracy outfits won’t pick up too much speed with reporting people once the system is official across all ISPs.

    • Anyone

      time to switch to an ISP that doesn’t sell out its users, then

  • Guest

    I think we should go back to sneakernet and 1200 baud modems. Bulletproof !!

  • downunder

    Well some in NZ have been caught since the 3 strike.. they prob too stupid to use peer block and a vpn

    3 sharing music although 27000 letters have been sent

    the admin has closed the thread.. free speech is censored on that forum.. the guy is a nob and butt ugly too

    http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?ForumId=95&topicid=108710

    first post has the news item and link to source rest are users replies
    before they got cut off sharing how they feel there but the admin

  • downunder

    Now this is what the NEXT gen of peer block needs.. it needs the algorithm and a block list called suspect auto gen-ed list to go with the
    other downloaded ones.. or use a tool to make the download list from the providers as well

    refernece to…
    he researchers developed a methodology to detect which “peers” in a
    swarm are likely to be anti-piracy monitors. The research looked at 60
    public torrent files and over a period of time they found 856 peers (on 5
    subnets) that showed strong characteristics of monitoring agencies.

  • kaoshi492

     http://al.ly/OwB

  • DRuNKeN MaSTeR

    Lol, basically no 720p or other HD releases. I think I’m pretty safe, since I don’t download CAM and TS crap… Also my VPN keeps me safe too.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CH76QIKXYIFA2FZ2DXC6NUZ24A Andrei

    I have a small question regarding this P2P monitoring. Since in order to “snoop” on users, a representative from an anti-piracy company must participate in the swarm, that means that this representative must participate with traffic (both upload and download).
    Presumably they themselves don’t infringe on anything by doing this since they represent the rightsholders.

    However, doesn’t that also mean that since they participate willingly, anyone who transfers torrent segments *off* them is also not infringing since the anti-piracy representative is knowingly offering the torrent for free themselves (and they have the right to do so)?

  • downunder

    im surprised theres not big marches for the 6 strike coming in USA

    its going to be a killer for cafes hotels and airports hotspots
    and business.. its not really workable

    and grannies when their grandkids come to stay

    and people hacked with botnets and alike

    going to be very interesting indeed how it pans out

    I bet be some big hollywood actors caught up and they be marching to rid it as well LOL

    • Guest

      Being Americans, they won’t act until it’s too late. ;)

    • :|

       The actors will be caught downloading stuff and they will get a slap on the wrist and nothing more.

      Your average person will be caught downloading stuff and will get sued in the millions and possible time in prison.

  • meowmix

    at 187654

    the copyright scum already know about usenet and hate it. but yeah, i should remember the old saying from during the war ‘loose lips, sink ships.’

    • Guest

      of course they know, but bringing down usenet will be a lot harder than to DDoS a couple of Torrent sites out of cyberspace. thank god… 

      • meowmix

        there’s a leaf that torrent sites or the next sharing app should take into concideration, usenet is a distributed system.

  • Vivo a

    (1)
    Dear Judge. I have modified my bittorrent application to only download data. It was seeding false zero data in order to fulfil the ratio to not be banned. The monitoring tool, which was used to track me, didn’t took this into account. Therefore I was not seeding any data related to this case. As the monitoring company only proved that I was connected, which I was, theyhaven’t proved that I was really seeding the data showed in the case. In real world, it would like I was involved in bank-robbery, but I was involved only because I was a bystander.

    • http://twitter.com/krozareq krozareq

      You would be required to have expert testimony. Paying many thousands of dollars, air fair, dinner, nice hotel, etc for someone who has done an academic paper on the subject. Welcome to how the legal system really works. 

      • Herp

         wrong.   All they would have to do was claim “no knowledge, no knowledge, no knowledge” and the prosecutors would most likely give up because it costs THEM money to prosecute as well.

        You would know if you had read law journals that the number of john doe cases that are being thrown out of court is reaching staggering proportions.

  • Anon

    “You can’t stop us!” 2010
    “We gotta hide!” 2012lolPirates are such small minded, little petty thieves. lol
    Serves you so right.

    • Mocking Bird

      We may have to hide (smart one’s have been doing that from day one anyway, it’s only the fools who draw attention to themselves and some of these will probably get caught in the near future), but you still can’t stop us. Not now and not for years, if not decades to come. :)

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  • meowmix

    someone may as well ask it: what are the best ways to hide your dl’s from the copyrite whore federalies and thier stooges?

    • robthom

      Vote out the libs and their hollywood owned administration.

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  • ScrewEwe2

    Your Honor, it wasn’t me filesharing anything, it was my printer. I’ll sit down with my printer and have a heart to heart talk, and tell it to stop filesharing right away. It’s a new printer, and is kind of naive when it comes to all the do’s and dont’s of the interwebs. My printer wanted me to tell you it apologizes for any inconvenience it may have caused the court or the network.

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  • Luke

    I don’t use no blocklists. I use the lord Jesus Christ to keep me safe from them 6 strikes devils when I’m up on the computer gettin things off the internet. All ya’ll got to do is pray to the lord and read the good book and you’ll be OK.

    • robthom

      Or if you cant beat them then join them.

      Move to hollywood and chug cock with the rest of the pillow biters

  • Chefalu

    As long as I have private torrent websites like torrentzilla, I should be okay–it also means I don’t get malware, I get to know the person who uploaded the stuff so I can ask questions.  I can also make requests and get what I want if I don’t see it there.

  • xpmule

    I’ve been saying the same thing this article says for years !
    The technical points can be aimed at the pro OR the con
    of using apps like Peerblock.
    Is blocking 30% of connection traffic worth the hassle ?
    I think so yes.
    Less traffic is always good, especially if your seeding a torrent.
    I that means i i blocked uploading to 1 single bad person
    with a high likelihood of that person suing me then whats wrong with that ?
    False positives ?
    O well your on the list then sucks to be you ..I don’t care.

    there is a small amount of new information in this story
    the rest has been rehashed year after year after year..

    What really bugs me is the people that say negative things about
    Peerblock style list usage constantly make these claims that someone
    somewhere is stating for a fact that block lists are a complete secure solution.
    And i’ve been using the godamn things since 2004′ish and i have never
    1 single time seen 1 person on the whole bloody internet EVER
    claim that block lists were/are a complete solution in any way.
    BUT i do see LOTS of people claiming they are 100% completely useless.
    Which logically can not be true.. do the math.

    There is no security is most methods i think.. Private trackers are just as risky as public trackers and VPN users are living in world of a false sense of security too. If the FBI show up at a VPN providers office with a warrant they will *possibly seize all machines and use them to any advantage they want.
    Guess what that might be ?
    And do you think your uber secure vpn service is gonna send emails
    to their PAID clients to tell them they have been arrested ?
    No one with ongoing litigation makes statements right away if at all.
    History tells us that, read the torrent freak stories about sites getting taken down.. notice what is known and when !

    I’ve seen Private trackers are bad and should be gone in here..
    I think Newsgroups and VPN services should be gone.
    File sharing should be free period.

    One last thing, any of you consider how easy it is for anti-piracy people
    to sign up for the same VPN services that file sharers are using ?
    That seems like an issue no one ever mentions (i havn’t seen it brought up)
    That would be a good way to dodge a block list too..
    Unless the VPN ends up on the list LOL

  • Kalumrt

    If you block your own country your privacy can go up to 95%
    What you definitely should everyone have is the pedophiles list from iblocklist.com you would do the community of file sharing a great favor.

  • XTX

    Oron because of this I NEED YOU. COME BACK!!

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