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Anti-Piracy Boss: TV Fans Are Unreasonable For Wanting Content Quicker

Speaking at a University of Melbourne seminar, Australian Federation Against Copyright Theft chief Neil Gane conceded that Australians are no longer content to tail behind the rest of the world when it comes to viewing TV shows like Game of Thrones. However, despite this clear ‘buying’ signal, Gane said that AFACT members consider this impatience to view content as “unreasonable”. Piracy will continue, he said, no matter what providers do.

During May, TorrentFreak gathered statistics on who is downloading the massive hit series Game of Thrones.

We found that more people are downloading the show compared to last year and that the number of weekly worldwide downloads is roughly the same as the number of viewers HBO has for the show in the U.S.

Since the Internet is worldwide by nature, just like their US counterparts Australians were exposed to plenty of buzz about the show and were well aware of when the new series would premiere stateside.

But unfortunately and for reasons best known to the entertainment industry, Aussies have to wait an additional week to view episodes of the show. Little surprise then that they turned to BitTorrent in droves, eventually topping the list with 10.1% of all Game of Thrones downloads.

However, according to the Australian Federation Against Copyright Theft, the impatience being shown by fans of the show is “unreasonable.”

Speaking at a University of Melbourne seminar last evening, AFACT boss Neil Gane conceded that TV and movie fans might be driven to piracy by delays, but when the same question was framed slightly differently, it proved problematic.

Linking to TorrentFreak’s statistics, ITNews reports that they asked Gane if piracy rates were lower on shows that were fast-tracked to Australia. He was unable to answer.

AFACT’s members have spent huge sums of money suing local ISP iiNet, yet appear to have a problem answering a fundamental question such as this. The answer, of course, (particularly given Gane’s earlier concession over delays) is that they do recognize that bringing shows more quickly to market in areas such as Australia will reduce piracy, but internal politics restrict them from doing so.

But instead, Gane told the seminar that members of AFACT believe that fans of Game of Thrones are behaving unreasonably when they don’t want to wait an additional week to see the show.

Predictably, Gane said that reductions in piracy need to be forced through tougher legislation, because he has research that says that no matter what the studios do, people will still pirate.

That research, which is yet to be published, comes from the Intellectual Property Awareness Foundation, the outfit that pops up whenever the entertainment industry wants to prove a point, but doesn’t want anyone to know how that point was reached.

When the research is published it will apparently show that 86% of ‘persistent’ downloaders and 74% of ‘casual’ downloaders turn to piracy due to cost. As highlighted in our earlier article, the exclusive nature of Game of Thrones will indeed be a factor in pushing people towards piracy.

An article published in March titled “Help! I’m Being Forced To Pirate Game Of Thrones Against My Will!” illustrates one such scenario perfectly, with a fan wanting to buy the show but being forced to jump through hoops and pay for stuff he doesn’t want just to gain access.

As we’ve said dozens of times before, making content easily accessible is about many things, not just release dates. Once that’s achieved that same content has to be made available at a fair price too, a concept that rarely matches the policies of ‘exclusive’ content providers.

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  • Lethn

    I wonder how many times we have to state the obvious before entertainment industries finally get it?

    Also on a complete unrelated note, YEY! We’re back to the normal comment system!

    • limit = more viewers ?

      All those [liked] are for. “YEY! We’re back to the normal comment system!”

      • Lethn

         I’ll take a few typos that I keep on making by accident over a broken edit button and freezing post button any day.

        • netgrazer

          I hope the new system comes back soon, only working. I loved the compact design and the options to downvote and edit.

        • Anonymous

          Use a proper browser then..

        • Guest

          @netgrazer:disqus 

          Torrentfreak already experimented with letting people downvote comments, and it did not work out well. That’s why there’s only a “Like” button today.

        • Lethn

          Who cares what a few thousand people think when you say something correct? It’s when there’s a billion people downvoting you that you have to worry.

        • Australian

          I pirated Season One of Game of Thrones AND then bought it once it was  available on DvD – what an unreasonable prick I am.

        • NoCensorship

          Downvote is a form of censorship against freedom of speech.
          It’d be really ironic to see greyed out posts here. And being able to censor those that disagree with you certainly does not help anyone.
          Not them, not you.

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    • Guest

      What an old piece of crap this  Neil Gane!

      WHo is unreasonable? Him!

      Unreasonable to think that the pass  will stay forever and that the world is revolving around him it’s TV shit.

    • Anonymous

      The flawed one where you cannot reply more than 4 deep? bah.

  • Blackbeard

    Of course they want tougher legislation instead of actually doing something useful. One means they have to spend money, the other means they get it.

    • Anonymous

      the monopoly over who owns the content and how it is experienced belongs to the publishers and distributors, not the artists and creatives.

      Neil is completely biased towards profit.  Perhaps I am wrong and he is pro-copyright law only.    What he is missing is the very law that ensures that profit (and lately has cost AFACT alot of money) is in error.  No-one ever questioned it before, and the rights holders had a smooth ride when it came to having laws to ensure it.  But now we have the net it is a problem to all of us.  This law was enacted for the wrong reasons, it prevailed for the wrong reasons and it will be crushed under the weight of the human mass for the right reason.  RIP and good riddance.    If Neil had truly read his history and the origins and reasons for copyright I am sure he would have a hard time convincing a bunch of 7 year olds the trash that I just read that he said

      • Ultra

        “they want to retain power.”

        Absolutely!  Because as soon as they loose power, the artists will get it.  Suddenly the artists will be fairly paid and consumers will get a reasonable price.

  • Krosis

    It’s like a little kid, just spewing nonsense all over the place. Throwing words around like ‘unreasonable’ (why is it unreasonable? the technology is here) and pointing at nonexistent evidence. Seriously, with that attitude, we’ll keep on pirating for sure.

    • Zippin2

      yes we keep on pirating, why should my country have to wait weeks to see a tv show thats shown on a pay per view channel or on a sub base…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Dilly/1624894683 Don Dilly

     This guy rather than moaning and desire to turn the clock back should deal with the ‘now’ . Its not going away :-)

    He should also wake up and realise that ultimately TV channels where programming is sequentially pushed onto the viewer will go the way of the dinosaur. The first thing they need to do is sync their release dates.

    The arguments against the flawed 1 download = 1 lost sale also apply here. Many people will download and watch their favourite shows often to watch on their PC but still watch on the TV when finally shown due to better quality. Also how many of the pirate downloads are in fact after the local air date simply due to missing the show and forgetting to record it and the station not having a free VOD catchup service or repeats?

    Content providers will increasingly cut out the middlemen and move to ad supported content platforms like youtube  and revision3 (who host one of my fav tech shows Hak5)

    • It’s a different media age

      Hak5 , TYT. Are two of my never miss shows.
      About 50% of video I watch,  is online-only content now.
      The amount of great tutorial series / speeches / debates etc…. is unbelievable.
      Want mechanical engineering videos…….. MIT video courses…you got it.

      Of course, I download them to put in playlists.
      viva la DownloadHelper and Net Transport

  • http://twitter.com/Anime4PSP Anime 4 PSP

    Yes, piracy will continue no matter what, but it can be reduced a lot by providing content faster and for reasonable cost. It is sad that so-called “anti-piracy boss” fail to understand this basic concept

    • Gae

      Their response is pretty much ‘there will still be piracy so we can’t be bothered trying to reduce it by offering a better service so we will reduce it by trying to gain control of the internet’.

      Just look at how they NEVER speak of how they are going to offer quicker availability, lower prices, more choice of formats, or worldwide releases. They have not even begun to consider such actions in the 12 or so years filesharing has been active and show no signs of doing so. Therefore I can only assume that they are the ones to blame for the piracy because of their own arrogance and ignorance of what their customers want.

      • http://twitter.com/Anime4PSP Anime 4 PSP

        I dunno why they haven’t said “Let’s increase prices even more. Piracy will not be gone if we keep them bit lower anyway” yet :D

        • har har

          I like the part where they admit piracy isn’t going nowhere.

  • Anonymous

    I am sure that if people like the show, the will support the creators in one way or another. The problem is that these content sharks simply want to rip people for for their own gain. In doing so, this actually harms the creators, because most makers want to be loved by their fans and want their creations to achieve a high level of fame.

    The truth is, content vendors don’t care about creators, they just want money. If there was a way for the creators to have greater leeway, I am sure that piracy would be reduced. I mean, if something is cheap, more people will want to buy it….

    • Anonymous

      Actually what makes people buy is “convenience”. People buy bottled water at a few thousand times the price of tap water simply because it’s more convenient to buy a bottle from the nearest 7-11 than carrying a refillable around.

      • Anton Chigurh

         it is less convenient to go to a store, buy a bottle and then carry that around. as opposed to carrying a refillable around. you are neglecting the refillable needs to be refilled, that water comes from somewhere and has to be bought. some houses have new pipes and their local water reservoir is very pure. other houses are old and have bad pipes their local water can be contaminated or simply taste bad. there are countries where tap water is so bad tourists are advised against even using ice cubes at restaurants because the risk of getting sick is very high.

    • Anonymous

       ”I am sure that if people like the show, the will support the creators in one way or another.”

      How are you sure ???

      • Guest

        Becuase that’s what’s currently happening, moron?

        • Anonymous

           lol at your pathetic reply……how is it happening ? How are people who download GOT via torrent supporting the show as appose to just supporting their own appetite to view media…….moron.

        • Australian

          See my previous post – I went and out and bought the DvD once it was  available, even though I had a perfectly good copy of GoT Season 1 sitting on my PC.

          I do a similiar thing with Walking Dead comics. I’m impatient, so I download the latest issue, but have all the earlier issues in hardcopy bought from my friendly comic book store.

          I’m a huge consumer of media, more than the average person. I’m a huge pirate, again, more than average. I’m also a walking/talking promotional tool for anything that I think is good.

          In case you didn’t notice, I just plugged two excellent products in the space of this post. And peer endorsements are way more valuable than paid advertising, because they are sincere. So its win/win/win for the customers, publishers and broadcasters.

        • Anonymous

           @ac772b48d6728242138b1df18c9716e5:disqus

          “What does your reply have to do with it?”

          Are you actually following the thread or simply typing random nonsense ?????

      • No1_2_u

        Because we now have these 2 TV show which are not financed by the MAFIAA & are available EXCLUSIVEly via torrents:

        http://vodo.net/pioneerone

        http://www.l5-series.com/

        They may be a bit corny & not have that Hollywood bright-shiny look to them, but they are still awesome SCF-Fi shows

        Anymore questions?

        • Anonymous

          “Anymore questions?”

          Sure, what does your reply have to do with people downloading GOT because they are incapable of waiting one week (if they even have a cable package to begin with).

        • Guest

          @PelouzeTF:disqus 

          What does your reply have to do with it?

  • vanished

    Whenever a company accuses their customers because they don’t function as expected, it is doing something significantly wrong.

    • No1_2_u

      Agreed; however, it is not “as expected”, they want us to function as they see fit & not question their judgment.

      Kinda sounds like the religion…

  • FinalApokylypse

    “But instead, Gane told the seminar that members of AFACT believe that
    fans of Game of Thrones are behaving unreasonably when they don’t want
    to wait an additional week to see the show.”

    We live in a now generation. When people are hyped to go see something or get something they pre-order so they can access it as soon as its released/made available. This is why we have queues for iPads outside the apple stores when they’re released etc. With digital media you make the effort that much less and its much more accessible and as a result you get many more people who will do just that as they don’t have to wait for hours to get what they want.. Simply put, the consumers want stuff as soon as possible or when its convenient for them, to expect otherwise is just silly, don’t expect them all to wait out of courtesy..

    “Predictably, Gane said that reductions in piracy need to be forced
    through tougher legislation, because he has research that says that no
    matter what the studios do, people will still pirate.”

    I actually agree that people will continue to pirate as much if not more till things are dramatically different. I know I pirate for various reasons. Money(i.e. lack of), availability, curiosity, over-bearing DRM etc. The thing is.. tougher restrictions mean nothing to me. I already have laws in my country that make it a punishable offense. I however don’t agree with them. I also do not worry about being caught either. Also importantly, I do not think it’s morally wrong to pirate. I buy physical and digital media frequently. But pirating certain things is simply sometimes the better option. 

  • Kise S.

    I’ll continue to pirate shows and movies until a steam-like system are in place where we can get the same service for reasonable price,  from the whole earth, there is people in different parts of the world would like to access the same movies & shows, but you fucks keep screwing us over, so fuck you I’ll keep pirating until you realize the age of cable crap is over <3 #steam #internet

    • Anonymous

      Movies are just the start.  I’ll continue until the spread of human knowledge and culture isnt controlled, censored and profited from by an elite

    • No1_2_u

      I pirate EVERYTHING!

      For the simple reason of, who the fuck are these greedy bastards to tell me what I can & cannot do, just so they can get more billions, buy another mansion, or buy their trophy wives a brand new set of boobs?

      Over the years I’ve spent a huge amount of money buying my entertainment; then I had to re-buy everything once they decided to change formats.

      After the third time, guess what, I didn’t spend a dime. I waited a few years & voila! We have the internet!

      MAFIAA you do not want to adapt to our needs & desires, your are the 21st Century’s dinosaurs, dodo bird…Just go away & die already! 

  • exscape

    I don’t think they realize how internationalized the world has become. If I watch the episodes one week after they air in the US, I can’t discuss them with my friends until they’ve already seen the *next* episode, due to the 1 week lag. Not to mention how easy it’d be to stumble upon spoilers on any place where there’s discussion about Game of Thrones.
    In addition to that, the lag time is way, way more than one week where I live – season 2 is scheduled to be broadcast 2013. Waiting a year is unacceptable, when it’s possible to watch within an HOUR with today’s technology.

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  • Master

    How the fuck is it unreasonable? Why should I wait 2 years to watch the same show that another country watch (in the same language)?

  • Guest

    Yes, I am unreasonable… Fuck you.

    • Another Guest

      You being unreasonable, is quite reasonable in the circumstances… Good you.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MANXKEIA4ZADHNNEN2MQBN4FTU King

    Well let me just point out few things out here for you pirates:

    HBO follows a BUSINESS MODEL where they want you to pay for the cable services.From business point of view, what would happen to other HBO shows like Bored to Death or Luck? People will watch it sure but HBO wants to make sure they make money consistently from these shows too. Lets be honest. It takes a lot of work, thinking, and planning in the making of shows like Game Of Thrones but unfortunately NOT EVERY SHOW is going to be the best show ever. So they make you buy the whole channel to compensate for that fault. This helps them immensely for taking risks in budgeting and  in the making of the tv shows..

    What would happen if they make it available online on the day it was broadcasted? More people will buy it  but this reduces the number of people buying or using cable services. No cable services means a huge portion of their income will be lost.

    • Anonymous

      I remember thinking that reform of copyright would probably wipe out cable and dvd hire shops.

    • ndmushroom

      You’re absolutely right. But you seem to have missed out the point where “we pirates” (and not just pirates) claim that this is a RIDICULOUS BUSINESS MODEL, the same way that forcing people to buy a 15-track album just to get their hands on the one song they wanted was a RIDICULOUS BUSINESS MODEL, which is why it has collapsed following Itunes and the sale-by-track model instead of the “pig in a poke” model that were the album sales.
      Besides, the article doesn’t talk about making it available online. It talks about broadcasting delays in various countries. And if you seriously suggest that someone’s going to take the “easy road” of emigrating to a different country instead of paying for an HBO subscription in his own country, there’s something seriously wrong here.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MANXKEIA4ZADHNNEN2MQBN4FTU King

        There’s a difference between sale by track model in songs and sale by particular tv shows: MONEY

        IF Game Of Thrones were to be released  online just like itunes there is no doubt it will make tons of money because its one of the BEST show of the 21st century.

        But what about  the GOOD and BETTER type of shows? What would happen if they failed? Will you even watch it in TV when it airs? You could just copy an episode to your USB drive and play it when it when they air the reruns of the show.

         Thats the problem premium channels like HBO have.

        • Fanden

          We don’t need their crappy and expensive shows. Real creative people, not robbing their consumers, can produce more for less.

        • ndmushroom

           It seems you didn’t get my point (at all).
          Point A. If a show fails, it’s because it was no good. For some reason you seem to imply that it should make money regardless, so that “better” shows keep getting produced. Just like saying that I should buy all crappy tracks of singer X so that he can have the chance to maybe write another song like the (only) one I liked.
          Point B. Again with the USB drives. What part of “broadcasting delays in various countries” escapes your understanding?

    • Startrekken1

      There is just one flaw in your logic the way i read it (correct me if i am wrong) your´re thinking American only.

      Yes by that logic HBO would lose money if they offered every show individually but only in America.
      HOWEVER we need to think globally here there are 7 billion people in the world(plus minus a few).
      If just one Billion of those people all downloaded Game of thrones and payed what amount to 2 maybe 3$ per episode that´s already 2 maybe 3 billion $ minus the expense of running such site, and it would go directly into HBO´s pockets.
      So American only yeah you need to watch the budget, however if you go Global and show it at the exact same time world wide i think you can take a much larger risk as you will get alot more viewers and ALOT more money. 

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MANXKEIA4ZADHNNEN2MQBN4FTU King

         Theoretically there is no way 1 billion people will pay& download episodes no matter how awesome it is.

        But it is possible 1 Billion people would have watched GOT over the years.

    • Danny

      By your logic if we got our way then the quality of TV shows would increase as the shit shows would make no money? Win win in my opinion!

      There is so much shit on TV. In my old house we had Sky, I actually watched more of the FTA stuff so ended up jacking the sky in I am not going to pay for 200 channels when only one channel rarely has anything good on it!

      – edit –

      In the first paragraph I actually meant when we get our way as it is inevitable as technology grows.

      • numbat

        But the US has beeing doing this for years/decades.  Oz TV networks can’t buy a popular movie or TV series to show here – they have to buy a bundle, which means they get a group of crap US shows which no-one wants to watch, just so they can get the show that we want. 

        It’s illegal in most countries (other than the US) to do that sort of bundling. 

        Instead of working to deliver to their market what their market wants, the US studios want to force foreign markets to purchase shows that will never be popular in those markets.  When you add in the broadcast restrictions so that they can’t be viewed when the US consumers can view them, it’s no wonder that pirating has become so popular. 

        My parents, who are both in their 70s, see no problem with pirating the US shows they want to watch, because they don’t get shown or get shown years later here.  Neither would object to paying if it was available legally online – but then the US studios couldn’t sell the shows to the Oz TV networks, and wouldn’t get sales for the other crap shows that none of us want to watch.

        • Stoned Aussie

          So true –

          but then Channel 10 would never have forced to play “Sunset Beach” in 2hr blocks after midnight.

          So many fun stoned nights watching that crap. Was so bad, it was AWESOMGASMIC.

    • Anonymous

      If that’s the case then their business model fails in ALL aspects. Any service which tries to force the customers to buy stuff they do not want as part of the package should just die.

      And any show which does not sell in itself simply isn’t good enough for the market. It’s that simple.

      By the same argument Hollywood would only be able to produce movies as part of a subscription-based program. This is manifestly false. 

      So no. HBO is trying to maximize their gross margin. That works up to a point. That point exceeds tolerance as soon as the consumer notices he’s being asked to subsidize a company which can’t adapt to the demands of the modern marketplace. There is no way HBO could not adapt to a subscription service which carried only the wanted material. 

      • No1_2_u

        I agree 100%!

        “And any show which does not sell in itself simply isn’t good enough for the market. It’s that simple.”

        It’s basic economics it’s called “Supply & Demand”.

        “King” should rename himself ”Pion”, ‘casue that’s what he is.

    • har har

      “No cable services means a huge portion of their income will be lost.” Look at me, crying over HBO’s loss of profit.

  • Sdfsdfsd

    I think it’s improper to have a country wait over 3-5 years to see a foreign film, the end we will get what we want… I have personally been sent a letter to stop downloading/uploading films and I did so… for about 5 days since it was scary to receive the letter since I was only 14 at the time, this didn’t stop me from sharing and it’s also proven that people who were threaten with death also didn’t stop.

    what makes you think anything you do will stop us accessing content which is part of our culture, I think that you will never change and we won’t either (500 years and counting son…).

    • annonymously annoyed

      that site is crap, quit spamming, there arent any other ages on it, and if you cut to the domain its just a blank pge, quit spamming. your not welome

      • Danny

        Exactly what I thought!

        Oh wait I actually didn’t get it, what the fuck are you on about?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/4MLV6LEIJ2RSTAUUX4WNVSP3VM Eleanor

    like Thomas responded I am stunned that anybody able to profit $4827 in a few weeks on the internet. did you look at this link (Click on menu Home more information)   http://goo.gl/3nCQW  

  • ndmushroom

    Wanting to see a show when it’s out is unreasonable. Unlike not wanting to show the show when it’s out, which is perfectly reasonable for AFACT’s boss. Imagine the family dinner: His wife makes roast beef for the family, he eats some first, then they wait a couple of hours and give some to their eldest son, then wait a bit more before giving their daughter a piece etc. You don’t want to spoil your kids after all, do you Mr. Gane?

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  • Releaseitupyour

    I’m never going to stop pirating. Its too simple this way.

    The MAFIAA has spent the last ten years trying to sue away the internet, they haven’t even tried to compete until recently mabey. Meanwhile I have got all the content i want, there’s not too much left to get. Just waiting for more HD to come out…
    All i’m saying is the MAFIAA haven’t had a penny off me in the last ten years and they’re made themselves an enemy because of what they’ve done to the internet and human rights. So im never going to be a customer again. I don’t care if they release it early, or in digital format for a cheap price (without DRM). I don’t want them to have my money. FULL STOP

    (I paid Megaupload £30 last year and Steam £90 this year, my internet provider gets £200 a year, people still get paid, just not the MAFIAA)
    ————————————————-
    This is why they suck:
    For example amazon offers: Game of Thrones – Season 1 (Blu-ray) £31.99 – Number of discs: 5

    Ok…
    1. Don’t have a blu ray player (but want it in HD) (don’t want to buy one)
    2. I don’t want to run it off the disc, its noisy and wears out the blu ray player (So how long will it take to rip those 5 blu ray discs (like 10-20 hours?)
    3. £31.99 for one season of a show i might not even like (F**k off)
    4. Wheres episodes 201 to 209 on Amazon? They arn’t there, o well i’ll just wait till u release them…

  • SuperSonic

    I pay for a TV subscription and fully believe I’m entitled to download an episode when I want to watch it and not on the providers say so with adverts. 

  • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

    Apparently, this jackass has never heard of “The customer is always right!”

    • Danny

      The customer is always wrong when it comes to the MAFIAA. “You will watch and listen to what I tell you when I tell you and pay how much I tell you!”

    • Rich0588

      I actually think people pirating this series are being unreasonable. A season pass on iTunes Australia costs $29 ($2.99 an episode) and only 9 days behind the United States broadcast, it’s not really that much to ask of the Australian fans of this great show. Season 1 actually inspired me to read GRR Martin’s books in the first place. I think HBO, the creators of the TV series, actors, production teams, etc deserve to profit from their hard work. As a fan of this series, I am happy to pay for the legal version of this show when it comes out in Australia.    

      • Danny

        Key words ‘when it comes out in Australia’ which is what this debate is about.

        • Rich0588

          I am sick of this ‘the world should cater to me mentality’ who cares if its delayed by 9 days behind the United States. It’s actually a really great show and people should recognise the value of paying for products legally. It’s depressing to think people who love this show are resorting to piracy just to prove a point.

        • Danny

          @2557149a3a586fcd75653e78b0628b55:disqus

          The copyright industry has a problem, it cannot exist in a world with the internet without adapting their business model. They suffer from a deafness to their customers, most businesses that don’t listen to their customers fail.

          Instead of adapting and exploiting the internet for monetary gain (there is a lot of money available on the net, look at facebook and google) they try and pass laws to criminalise their customers so they can sue them.

          They need to listen to their customers and they need to adapt.

          I spend a lot of money on DVDs, I have a subscription to netflix but quite a lot of stuff is unavailable on netflix and if its not I will download stuff to see if its good and then I might buy it on DVD. I can’t comment on game of thrones as I have yet to see it, the only way I could see it is by downloading it off the net as I am not going to pay murdoch any money.

        • Rich0588

          I came to my position on this issue through education not through the copyright industry. I was lucky enough to talk to two actors from Game of Thrones on Twitter (both of them Game of Thrones was there first professional acting jobs), and they were thrilled that someone from as far away as Australia liked their work and was inspired to read the books. The problem is piracy impacts on all levels of the Film/TV industry not just the distribution networks. I geniunely most people like you would pay for show over pirated versions. I think if HBO used education combined with encouraging people to be a little more patient when waiting for high quality shows. 

        • Rich0588

           I came to my position on this issue through education not through the
          copyright industry. I was lucky enough to talk to two actors from Game
          of Thrones on Twitter (both of them Game of Thrones was there first
          professional acting jobs), and they were thrilled that someone from as
          far away as Australia liked their work and was inspired to read the
          books. The problem is piracy impacts on all levels of the Film/TV
          industry not just the distribution networks. I geniunely believe most people
          like you would pay for show over pirated versions if given the opportunity. I think if HBO used
          education combined with encouraging people to be a little more patient
          when waiting for high quality shows, there would be a lot less piracy and more people paying for legal versions.

          (Sorry about the last message I hadn’t checked my spelling and I found more to say)

        • FinalApokylypse

           @2557149a3a586fcd75653e78b0628b55:disqus
          I get your point. The people involved in the creation of things like Game of Thrones should be payed for their involvement and hard work. However I think your argument that people have this world should cater to me mentality is a bit of a moot point. People naturally don’t want to wait for something that others have access to when it’s not a necessity.

          I’ll give you an example, when Diablo III came out my flatmate was expecting to be able to play it when he got the disc and the first servers were up. But he had to wait till the American servers were up due to an artificial blocker. Now that’s fine, but naturally he was pissed off that he wasn’t able to access the game when he physically had it and the European servers were up, of course the bottlenecking of people wanting to get on at once contributed to all the Error 37′s. This was Blizzards right to do so, doesn’t mean the people liked it.

          As for piracy, it hasn’t killed the industries. People still want new things and are willing to pay for it. I myself buy a lot and pirate a bit. My brother owns thousands of dollars worth of movies/TV on DVD/BRay yet has a fairly extensive collection of media stored on hard drives. Pirates come in all shapes and forms just like regular people (Cause that’s who they are). But don’t for one minute think it’s wrong to want better systems to be put in place to help the consumer get what they want. I personally feel that often the pirating option is better than the alternative legitimate options. That is unfortunate.

        • Anonymous

          @ rich0588 why should they have to wait? what reason other than sheer ignorance is there. how hard would it be for hbo to put up a site that is accessable to the aussies a sub service on hbo sounds like a good idea? make it the same cost as it does from there cable providers hey guess what problem solved they make money and people get to watch what they want.

        • Guest

          @2557149a3a586fcd75653e78b0628b55:disqus 
          “who cares if its delayed by 9 days behind the United States.”
          People who realize that any release delay to Australia is utter bullshit when Game of Thrones is in English and could be transferred digitally to Australian broadcasters in a matter of minutes. The delay is completely artificial. HBO is saying “fuck you” to Australians, so why shoudn’t Australians say  ”oi, fuck you cunts” right back?

          I’m sick of your “people should be slaves to whims of businesses” mentality.

      • Guest

        @2557149a3a586fcd75653e78b0628b55:disqus 
        “The problem is piracy impacts on all levels of the Film/TV industry”

        Yeah, just look at the terrible impact it has:

        “On average, file sharers buy just as much music, more DVDs and more games than people who never download. Similarly, file sharers visit concerts more often and buy more merchandise. “
        http://www.seo.nl/en/page/article/ups-and-downs-economische-en-culturele-gevolgen-van-file-sharing-voor-muziek-film-en-games/

        • Guest

          Jesus Christ, I hate how Disqus truncates links. It makes them look like they’re broken. That link actually works though, so click on it.

        • Rich0588

          I agree with some of the points you made in the article you sent me, but I don’t think HBO is really out to ‘short change’ Australian fans of Game of Thrones. I would prefer to focus on rewarding the people who put the hard work into creating such a great series, rather than continuing ancient feuds with HBO and Australian distributors over release dates. How are the actors that I talked to on Twitter involved in a corporate conspiracy against you? They actually want you to enjoy the series that they have spent a lot of time and effort creating in the first place. I think if you had a little bit more patience and focused more on the positive aspects of Game of Thrones, it would do you the world of good. 

        • Guest

          “I don’t think HBO is really out to ‘short change’ Australian fans of Game of Thrones.”

          Then HBO should stop doing it.

          “I think if you had a little bit more patience and focused more on the positive aspects of Game of Thrones, it would do you the world of good. ”

          So I should just accept pointless regional delays that accomplish nothing, but never the less exist because the content industry is headed by  control addicts? Nah. That doesn’t sound like it would cause any progress to happen.

        • Rich0588

          I actually agree with you about release dates, but the difference is that I am not resorting to piracy just to prove a point. I decided to buy the season pass on iTunes Australia, because the industry actually learned a lot last year. Season 1 was released on Showtime on Foxtel in July (three months after it came out in the US), I was lucky enough to have Foxtel so I was able to subscribe to the channel when it came out based on friends recommendations (who had obviously pirated the series). For Season 2 HBO has expanded access to include iTunes Australia as well as Showtime, this time it’s only 9 days behind the United States. That’s evidence that HBO and the Australian distributors are listening to you, and changing their access to be more accomodating for you!

          Here’s the link http://www.cnet.com.au/in-the-digital-game-of-thrones-does-anyone-win-339336354.htm

          Of course it is not an ideal situation you don’t get an HD version and it’s still 9 days behind the United States. But progress is being made, you just need to recognise it when you see it and support that change. As a fan of this series, I want to feel that I am doing the right thing by encouraging HBO to be more user friendly and improve access for Australians.

        • Guest

          So… What do you think is spurring progress, causing the release delay to shrink? If it ain’t the droves of pissed off Australians downloading GoT, then what is it? 

      • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

        Obvious paid pro-industry troll here. Move along and ignore.

  • Antropologist

    Here we have living proof that dinosaurs still walks the earth.
    Internet has connected the entire planet and made it one big place.
    Yet this MAFIOSO fail to grasp that after watching it for years.
    I’m sure they have contracts they signed in the stoneage 
    that states a list of what should be released where and when.
    To say that they are out of date today is an understatement
    to say the least.
    Instead of adopting to the real world, he lashes out
    calling people names.

    It seems the only way to make these delusional MAFIAA
    clowns to get updated with the rest of the world
    is to starve them to death.

    Dinosaurs does’nt belong here anymore.

  • Anonymous

    so, yet again, those in charge, those that control the legitimate release of digital media, know the answers, the same answers they have been given and have been aware of for decades, but still prefer to go down the old business model route of delaying those releases which, in turn encourage ‘piracy’ and ‘file sharing’. surely this attitude shows that the actual control is the most important thing, doesn’t it? the supposed financial losses are really irrelevant, in more ways than one, just as are more and stricter anti-piracy laws, site blocking, law suits etc etc. if only stupid politicians and law makers could see how they are being taken for total twats and insisted that those industries did their bit first, by releasing the content when asked for, at sensible prices, would be the best answer to what is an ‘industry produced’, not a ‘public wanting everything for free’ problem anyway!

  • dae

    one thing though that drives me even more crazy is sometimes with certain shows there are episodes that are only played in certain countries because of our attitudes here or the shows are different (Especially in kids shows) in other countries to avoid upseting the conservative reactionaries.

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      Good point. One example of that is Digimon. Another is Yu-Gi-Oh. Some themes are ‘toned down’ or removed entirely from the Japanese original.

  • Mike

    7 tried to speed up the airing of Heroes and it didn’t work, I think The Apprentice was also aired immediately after the US airing but downloads didn’t stop.  If it aired Monday 8pm in NY (10am Tuesday Melbourne time) it would be on TV here Tuesday night at 8:30 or whatever time slot.  So less than 12 hours later and people still didn’t do it.

    If they want to seriously challenge downloading, they need to package up the content with local ads and push them out to the international market online.  Send the files to channel 7 the time (or before) they air in the US, let them splice in their ads and then make the file available for streaming and/or downloading directly off the channels site. Otherwise the audience can wait the less than 12 hours and watch it on TV that night with the same ads lumped in.

  • DavidDDavidson

    I wouldn’t mind to have a legal” streaming site that makes profit with localized ads, but no
    now my usage generated ad monies goes to some 3rd party “illegal” site.

  • Garg

    What I never understand is why the content providers cant just listen. Just say “We hear you, you’re big fans, and you want to support us. We are going to air the show simultaneously.” It would make EVERYONE HAPPY. As far as I know, there is NO LOGICAL IMPEDIMENT to simultaneously broadcasting the show. 

    And if they’re really having problems getting the episode fast enough I can hook them up with a file they can broadcast within an hour of the initial airing……

    • Mike

      How many people are gonna tune in at 10am or midday to watch a show that airs at the same time in the US?  I imagine most are in school or at work, so it’s pointless.  You also get different advertising rates at different times of day, and 11am ain’t gonna be the same as 8:30pm.
      It could work with online availability but putting it on air to match US air times wouldn’t have the audience and ad revenue to support it.

      • Garg

        The aforementioned Game of Thrones is on the subscription fee funded network HBO. There are no interstitial commercials. Simultaneous Web release would be fine, but by simultaneous I meant “same day” and not same hour. Although HBO rebroadcasts so much crap it wouldn’t hurt them to simultaneous broadcast and rebroadcast at a regular time slot — If their subscribers would want that. 

  • Anonymous

    I used to buy seasons of shows and lots of movies.  Why did I start pirating then?

    An FBI warning that’s impossible to skip, LOTS of ads which are usually impossible to skip, rising prices, limited availability of what I want, stupid extras, and then there’s the news that the MAFIAA is demanding many things that they don’t have a right to demand.

    Am I unreasonable?  All I ask is for:

    1. Stop adding garbage to the dvd’s.
    2. Let us skip the stupid warnings.
    3. Work on the system so that I can find what I’d like easier.
    4. Stop behaving like little spoiled children, why should anyone support any company that behaves like money-hungry idiots?

    • Anon

       Do the warnings even need to be on the DVD?

      • Guest

        Yeah. If anything, instead of threatening paying customers with fines and jailtime, it should say “Thank you for buying me!”.

    • http://otester.myopenid.com/ PiRat

      I want an apology and removal of copyright legislation they got passed before I will ever buy from the MAFIAA again.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MANXKEIA4ZADHNNEN2MQBN4FTU King

       Haha, thats annoying the shit out of the only people who purchase it legally!

      • Danny

        Its the DRM effect.

        Anyone downloading gets a better quality product than the ones buying it. Always pisses me off about buying DVDs.

    • Garg

      I would ideally like to have files I could choose to stream or download from a central server. The industry is going to have to be drug kicking and screaming into the 21st century by the consumers.

  • Ferdi Greyling

    The position from South Africa, where the show is popular as well: It is shown ONLY by the pay TV channel DSTV (about $80 US per month) – also a week AFTER the US and thus a week AFTER torrents appear on the net. So what happens here, is some people download it to see it a week earlier. But they pay to see it anyway (only the pay TV channel shows it).

  • Gearmentation

    As a Netflix subscriber, I must say that this makes me feel even better about piracy.  Especially for all the content that is not available on Netflix, and especially for Linux users who can’t get Netflix (not enough DRM on Linux).  Actually, for most shows Bittorrent is a better service than Netflix, so maybe I’ll just switch to Linux (as I’ve been wanting to do).  Netflix doesn’t work well enough on a slow connection, but of course Bittorrent does fine.  If Netflix let me download, it would be a different story.

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    That guy is an idiot, it seems that they’ve forgotten that the client is always right.
    They dont need tougher legislation, they need to rush and transmit the fucking thing asap

  • HustleHard

    Game of Thrones isn’t really that great of a show.  You guys aren’t really missing anything.  Starz tv shows are much better than HBOs nowadays. 

    • Moxie

       Obviously you missed the point of the article…

      • HustleHard

         nope. just really surprised over the hype of GoT. ..it’s really not that good.

        doesnt matter how quick countries make shows available people still going to DL the hell out of them. I live in the US,  have a full cable package with on demand & still DL every show i watch.

  • foff

    Does this guy live in a fucking cave?  The internet is all about information and media the instantaneous spread of media and news.  The broadcast model, region coding  etc is dead in this age.  Once the media is released they can no longer control the spread.  These people are unreasonable if they think in this age we are going to be glued to the tv every night or wait patiently for a show that is available on the internet.  
    Sooner or later they will realize the days of creating artificial scarcity with regards to media is over and that they need to get online or they will die.

  • Ipodrx

    People pirating because they will or to avoid cost is a ridiculous reason to not bring the show over quicker. It will drive down piracy of their show regardless. More viewers will have an incentive to pay for the subscriptions instead of pirating it. The means more revenue. Using internal politics as an excuse is bull****, those can always be dealt with quickly. I don’t believe legislation will ever bring piracy down, the only way to encourage people to pay is just that, you have to encourage them not force them. Your profits aren’t going down because of piracy, but you are missing out on getting more.

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  • anon

    Quote “Piracy will continue, he said, no matter what providers do.”

    Dear Gane: Sorry to break the news to you, Piracy will continue no matter what laws the government put in place that the entertainment industry pushes for. If you can get the content to the customers faster than the pirates can then the entertainment industry will have no loss to cry about, so stop your bitching.

    This is not the early 1800′s and early 1900′s where you have to wait for stuff to be shipped over on a boat that takes weeks, this is the digital age reinvent your business models to catch up with the evolution of technology.

    • Anonymous

      “Piracy will continue, he said, no matter what providers do.”
      So this is your entire premise to breaking the internet and spying on everyone everywhere. 
      We decided, without any testing or outside fact checking, that there was nothing we could do.
      We call you dinosaurs because you refuse to try anything you incredible twat.
      But then without piracy your business model would falter, your to invested in wasting money trying to stop what you yourselves enable and keep going.

  • Fartwenttothefart

    Yea, I’d call them unreasonable too if there was another format that allows same day access for free. How are they suppose to compete with that? Can’t beat them join them

  • Abe Lincoln

    All these lawyers will make ISPs charge customers $2 more because the only reason people go online is to download illegal content. Some stupid-ass judge will fall for it.

    • Tgsd

      I always download movies and dvds but i also own hundreds of dvd why do i download because i like to move my media around and store it as i please it takes too long to rip a dvd onto hdd so i download it as its quicker not a single service over the net offers me the content i want at a reasonable price if it did i would pay unfortunatle all the copyright holders are too greedy and will only offer their content to the highest bidder which means all the streaming services only provide half the content i want and im not going to subscribe to multiple providers for content that stutters and buffers because my isp likes to throttle at peak times if a legite service offers content to download and use on any device i want to watch it on then i will pay them unfortunatly the only way i can do this is via torrents which is free ? not my fault there loosing money because they cant keep up with the demands of their customers.

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  • Anonymous

    Well this AFACT moron missed out many reasons.

    The Internet is a global community and what happens if fans of TV shows see these episodes at different times? You then have one group discussing old episode while the main group discuss matters the delayed viewers have not seen. I am not talking about   a week delay here but 4+ months.

    Those delayed viewers then obtain a large gain when they do manage to see the latest episode at the same time. I discovered this myself during the 2nd season of the TV series Charmed when thanks to rare low quality caps I could at last join in with the main discussions.

    It was only at the start of the 3rd season that I became a regular downloader and quality much improved in the 4th season. I can also say Spelling TV and their writers did much gain from my feedback and ideas. I could certainly name many points where my ideas ended up in episodes.

    That I believe is how things should be when TV productions do want viewer feedback to judge how they are doing, to have them point out errors, then to benefit from their ideas making it a community project for a better series.

    I may have infringed but they gained loads because of it. Not to forget I still caught my local TV broadcasts weeks or months behind. I also now have all the 7 seasons on official DVD. So where exactly was the harm here?

  • lily

    Having a delay in Australia makes even less sense if you consider HBO Brasil is airing the show simultaneously with the US over here. And errr Australia wouldn’t even need subtitles. 

  • Mono

    I used to download House… because it showed 2-3 weeks earlier stateside than here. If they actually did it on the same day I’d happily turn the TV on and watch it.

  • DarkAlman

     http://theoatmeal.com/comics/game_of_thrones

  • RobMadrid

    Couldn’t agree more, our DVR tends to miss eposides so I simply purchase them from iTunes, don’t mind paying a reasonable price for them?

    BTW Ihave to order them from the Canada store as Spain only does Spanish dubbed versions

  • Anon

    This is why people torrent, the distributors are just not interested in listening, and even when they do try to listen or make out that they are listening , they are still not interested in why people are doing what they do. Yes there will always be people like me that just download and don’t want to pay, with reasons i will not go into again, but many of the people sharing on the internet do it because they cannot get what they want legally.

    If the distributors could just get that through there thick skulls piracy would fall dramatically like it has in America with all the other legal ways of downloading , although they are destroying that option by creating more release windows. F them if they do not want to give the people what they want if they do not want to listen to the people that want to buy there product. And make no mistake people will  stop listening to them.

  • O0mg

    i am more reasonable than the industry with our money so….. mmmmm point rejected !

  • http://www.facebook.com/orphicdragon Trisha Lynn Dragon

    TheOatmeal’s is a way better commentary on GoT and piracy :D

    http://theoatmeal.com/comics/game_of_thrones

  • DutchGuest

    Another good reason why someone should punch Neil Gane in the face.
    And preferably in front of a camera.

  • http://twitter.com/MrGz0r MrGz0r

    Hey
    Neil Gane i want watch my show wen i want watch them not a week later thank god i don’t live there.

  • IT Certified (Guest)

    “Predictably, Gane said that reductions in piracy need to be forced through tougher legislation, because he has research that says that no matter what the studios do, people will still pirate.”

    Then why bother with legislation as his research shows that no matter what the studios do, people will still pirate…..

  • Guest

    They really shoud never ever delay something.
    The people that actually buy the stuff or get the paid services are the enthusiasts, and the enthusiast crowd wants content as good and fast as possible. They are willing to pay for it, but they want it to be worth it.

    The people ok with watching stuff later really do not care that much about the shows or the movies, they wouldn’t even bother buying it and if you tried to charge them theyd just say “Ok, no thanks” and skip to the next free or more convenient alternative.

    The late release will really hurt the biggest part of the lifetime sales of every product, the initial wave of the enthusiasts.
    They’re not competing against piracy in price but in quality of product and release time is part of the product experience. But simply removing piracy would really help their sales very little, no fan would pay for a product knowing that it is sub par, even if it was the only choice.

  • Desu1

    Then he’s an idiot. People go on the net and discuss the episodes these days. Pretty hard to join in an ep discussion IF YOU’RE WEEKS BEHIND. 

  • Iamjacksid

    One of the problems are simply its one world now  – not lots of different countries broken up by time zones days and schedules.

    The internet is there all the time – and people want to know about their favorite films music and tv shows – if you visit fan sites or even promotion sites that might spoil stuff you have to wait even a week for let alone months – you will wants to simply find a way to get in sooner-

    Its that or try to avoid the internet where you might see headlines, pics and features each day – Ive tried it for years its a nightmare for fans.

    Let people watch the stuff, buy the stuff at a decent price as a hard copy and an even better price as a download and a lot of this problem might stop.

  • Guest

    So the bottom line argument is that people are to blame for living in countries that get stuff slower and the only solutions to that problem are put up or shut up?

    And Pelouze – wait one week? Really? That’s your argument? If people on the other side of the planet only needed to wait one week then you might have had a case. But hey, the only world you’re concerned with is under your special desk.

    Small wonder you insist on more enforcement and more laws when you consider the rest of the world losers for living in another country, and criminals when they refuse to take that lying down.

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  • Will_the_man123

    They don’t give a damn they have force.

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  • Pantsbearsquareface

    Australian Government can be corrupt at times when it comes to money sony and nintendo.

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  • Kalle

    We have to wait a year in Sweden! That is unreasonable!

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  • Max Renn

    So, the customer is wrong? There you go; that’s their response.

    • Anonymous

      “The customer is always right”  only applies when the market works. The age-old maxim “The customer is always wrong” – applies when there is a monopoly.

  • Anonymous

    The MAFIAA Worldwide is made up of ignorant assholes who think that we do not see thru the mask they wear.MAFIAA wants to control it all and little by little the people will revolt.Boycott all their Crud and go on kickstarter, support Local Art, and Buy/Support INDIE .
    I have had it with these dickheads here in my Nation of USA.I do not even care about any TV Show one bit.Game of Thrones may be fun but I won’t support it.The man who writes the books now plans on writing 8 of them and takes 2 – 3 years to even write a book.How much you want to bet it will be Cancelled on a Cliffhanger before its time.
    I will finish the last Season of Fringe and I am done.
    1.Your lame ass DRM !
    2.You do not Understand when you Air it here you should do the same thing Worldwide.One Day to release it all.
    3.You are Overpriced
    4.We are sick and tired of your paying off Politicians.
    5.you can suck a horse’s dick with your damn backroom Treaties with other Nations.
    666.You just want to be King Of The Media ! You want to Control it all.
    999.MAFIAA Fuck Off & Die.

  • alch

    If it was on the TV sooner, It wouldnt be on our hard drives quicker.
    Carry on sharing! (It isnt pirating.)

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