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Canadian BitTorrent User Fined $60,000 By U.S. Court

A new dimension was just added to the ongoing stream of BitTorrent lawsuits in the U.S. A Canadian BitTorrent user has been ordered to pay $60,000 by a U.S. District Court judge. The Calgary resident, who did not defend himself, was ordered to pay the damages for sharing two films on an adult-oriented BitTorrent tracker.

Over the last year several mass-lawsuits were started against so-called ‘John Doe’ defendants, who are only identified by their IP-address. However, at the same time a handful of copyright holders have also launched cases against named BitTorrent users.

One of these defendants was the Calgary, Canada-based Alan Phillips. The adult entertainment studio Corbin Fisher filed suit against Phillips, who they claim had illicitly shared two of their movies (“Turner F***s Austin” and “Keagan” ) on the BitTorrent tracker Gaytorrents.ru.

While most BitTorrent sites treat the private information of their users confidentially, the Gaytorrents.ru operator kindly provided the copyright holder with information that could identify the defendant.

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This compliance by GayTorrents.ru allows Corbin Fisher to directly target defendants, instead of having to ask the court for a subpoena.

In the initial complaint Corbin Fisher alleged that Phillips willingly infringed on its copyright, and the studio’s lawyer Marc Randazza asked U.S. District Court judge John Houston to award $50,000 in damages per movie, totaling 100,000. Although Phillips complained to the court in an attempt to get the case dismissed, he did not defend himself.

Due to Phillips absence, Judge Houston was left with no choice but to order a default judgement as requested by the plaintiff.

In his ruling Judge Houston rejects the studio’s claim that the infringement was willful, just because Phillips was savvy enough to use BitTorrent. This reduced the maximum damages from $150,000 to $30,000 per movie.

Judge Houston did, however, rule that Phillips was guilty of copyright infringement.

“The record, as presented does not support a finding of willfulness based solely on plaintiff’s speculative argument that BitTorrent requires technical knowledge such that a person using the application necessarily used it in order to defraud plaintiff.”

“Thus, this Court finds that the increase in statutory damages suggested by plaintiff is not appropriately assessed here. In this Court’s view, statutory damages of $30,000 per infringed work, for a total of $60,000 plus attorneys’ fees is reasonable.”

In total Alan Phillips was ordered to pay $63,867, which makes it one of the largest fines ever handed out to a P2P user in the U.S. Certainly the highest we know of where a foreign copyright infringer was targeted.

“As a Canadian citizen, I do not recognize the applicability of US copyright law or the jurisdiction of a US District Court over me in this matter,” Phillips informed TorrentFreak in a statement. “For that reason I refused to formally participate in this civil action against me in a foreign court under foreign law.”

“Again, I am not a resident of, and have no economic assets in, the USA. So it is difficult to see how this judgment will affect me as written. To have this judgment enforced against me in Canada would require further judicial proceedings in my country, which I would, of course, be free to contest,” Phillips added.

The plaintiff’s defendant had something different to say.

“There are too many canadians who are under the mistaken impression that Canada does not respect copyrights,” lawyer Marc Randazza told TorrentFreak in a comment.

“Canada is a signatory to international copyright treaties, and thus Canadians need to learn that the border does not insulate them from illegal activity,”

“My client is delighted with the verdict,” he added.

Update: The people at Gaytorrent.ru (without an S) deny any involvement in this issue. More info here.


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  • http://twitter.com/p2jack P2p Jack

    he should refuse to pay the fine, US law is not valid in .CA

    • SomeAsian

      I’m fairly certain that this judge was operating outside of his authority when this verdict was handed down. As most of you all ready have pointed out, this guy is fucking CANADA. This ruling is clearly outside of the Southern District of California. Therefore, because this verdict is outside of the California District Court’s jurisdiction, the ruling is null and void.

      • http://twitter.com/The_Curiosity The Curiosity

        Hasn’t stopped the USA before. Few years back the US convicted a Canadian for selling water purification to Cuba, even though he was living and working in Canada at the time of the sales. The guy relocates to the US for a bit and totally got screwed for doing something that was more than legal.

        • pong

          Because when he relocated to the US, he became a US citizen. And US citizens are forbidden from helping Cuba, due to their embargo. So, even though he moved back to Canada, he was still a US citizen (duel citizenship) breaking embargo.

          Should he be imprisoned for it? I don’t think so, but that is why.

        • http://twitter.com/The_Curiosity The Curiosity

          @pong , James Sabzali was a Canadian citizen at the time when he conducted the business with Cuba while in Canada and was also still a Canadian citizen when tried and convicted once he moved to the USA. It is also against Canadian law to abide by the US embargo because Canada is still not part of the USA.

          Basically he was screwed either way.

        • Gloveside40

          So if an American citizen goes to Amsterdam and buys some weed [lefal in Holland] and smokes it there [again legal in Holland] he is libel to be prosecuted for possession and use of weed on returning to the States?

        • Simpson

          “more than legal” it was – SUPER LEGAL!

    • SomeAsian

      I’m fairly certain that this judge was operating outside of his authority when this verdict was handed down. As most of you all ready have pointed out, this guy is fucking CANADA. This ruling is clearly outside of the Southern District of California. Therefore, because this verdict is outside of the California District Court’s jurisdiction, the ruling is null and void.

    • pong

      It isn’t even just because US law isn’t valid in Canada, but you aren’t even supposed to be able to sue someone unless you file it in their own district. They can’t expect someone from Hawaii to fly to New York to defend themselves because someone there is suing them. If that were the case, since suing someone is actually really cheap, you could sue someone, wait for them to fly to you, then drop the suit for shits and giggles.

      • http://twitter.com/uJonesing Utah Jones

        For what it’s worth, I don’t think the message Corbin Fisher is trying to send is “Don’t do it or we’ll sue”. I believe the message they want to send- especially considering the nature of the torrents and the climate toward homosexuals in that part of the US- is “Don’t do it, or we’ll ‘out’ you.” It would be interesting to see what LGBT activist organizations have to say about this- creation of potential ally? Fuck it, I’ll team up with the gays if it means putting a stop to this MPAA-wannabe bullshit.

        • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

          Allow me to go one further UJ.

          The principal message Corbin Fisher is sending out is, “Don’t buy our stuff.”!!!

          “If you pay us to join our website, we’ll sue you.”

          “We HATE people. We LOVE extortion. Extortion pays for our rent & the food in our children’s mouths.”

          Can CF put it any more simple?

      • Brandon-is-a-spass

        And that is why it is called a default judgement because defendant didn’t have anyone represent him, i.e. a lawyer from California.

        Is he obliged to pay the fine? By US standard since this was a civil lawsuit, he is. Will Corbin Fischer take this judgement to Canada? Yes they will and as far as I know, they will have a retrial of it in the defendants district in which they will also provide the default judgement as part of evidence.

        The US can reach far and beyond, so when you get sued and you’re sitting in Australia, they can hand down a default judgement and depending on the laws within they either have a re-trial in defendance country OR they just hand it over to the judge in Australia and defendant is required to pay. Only countries that can give the US the fingers are countries in the Middle East, i.e. Dubai who will tell the US to go find another sandbox to play in.

        • Ven

          No, the defendant could have requested the trial to happen in his home district (which could be Canada or in the U.S. if he has residency here). Instead, the man did nothing but make a complaint/request for the case to be dropped, and when that didn’t work he simply didn’t show up.

          Even in Canada a judge would have been unable to throw the case out.

        • Haxor

          and thats where they totally fail because we have a levy and if he has put said material on levied cdrs then its gonna be a big middle finger and waste of the courts time which is why they never sue us up here cause he aint making money off it and WHAT ONLY two copies like how does bit torrent work and how does one gain ratio maybe giving 2 to 1 so you can get somehting else….ya ok …..and there is the privacy issue and the fact it was a Russian site as well, your really muddling the jurisdictions and the fact on Canada’s books to catch pedophiles the law states that anyhting a canuck does on the net canadian law applies which if they try and bring a foreign judgement would have the effect of making the lawyers they have look like pansies to the judge for not knowing what the law states here. AKA it won’t go well my friend if you try this route and its gonna fail. I really hope they try and win cause it creates a precedent that sicko pedophiles will then say well i was at a site in a country that has no child sex laws and hollywood sued a guy in the usa and …you get the idea this does and now you can see consequences to the usa actions.

          THINK OF THE CHILDREN EH SICK BASTARDS IN THE USA

        • Haxor

          @ven wrong again he does not even have to answer as our law states what we do on the net local canadian law applies. THUS any action by another land in any shape way or form must use our local laws and already start in the local country , as they did not it is in fact a null and void issue. YOU mostly see this law applied to pedophiles visiting websites in foreign lands getting sick pron or viewing it. THIS is meant to combat that and in this case you can use it to shield you from the retarded states of bankrupted America extortionists.

        • Ven

          @Haxor

          “wrong again he does not even have to answer as our law states what we do on the net local canadian law applies. THUS any action by another land in any shape way or form must use our local laws and already start in the local country , as they did not it is in fact a null and void issue. ”

          You misunderstand the terms of that Canadian law. He had an opened court case here in the U.S., and where he lives and surfs only matters to the court if he challenges the lawsuit. He did not, did nothing to prevent the outcome, and now has a settlement needing to be paid in the USA.

          He might have been able to get the case moved to Canada and/or thrown out completely, but chose not to. The fine can be held against him here in the U.S. or taken to a Canadian court for the enforcement of foreign judgement. Once there, I am uncertain as to the balance the court would find between the court case in the USA, his lack of self-defense, and Canadian vs. USA laws on the infraction.

        • bellybuttonstink

          If CF tries to take this suit to Canada, Canada just needs to form a welcoming committee of Canadian Hockey Fans to greet CF and his legal representation…I predict he is too big of a pussy leave home soil.

    • Sc1t4le

      It is valid in the US though, meaning he has an outstanding court order payment. Basically could be denied entry or any kind of work permit.

    • Dudeguyperson

      this is to all the americans that keep saying that they don’t agree with how their governments are doing things and that your sorry its happening. DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! why the fuck should the rest of the world be held up to your laws? why does the rest of the world have to suffer because you people are to lazy to do anything about it?

      i am sick and tired of this horseshit that keeps flowing from your head up the ass backward thinking country.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

        “DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! ”

        A fair point. But let’s think about this.

        Our votes are squirreled away within a two party system that supports itself over its nation.

        The people barely have a right to protest without first filing for its legality.

        Our police officers keep their jobs despite the complaints coming from biased judges.

        Our judges are picked by the above two party system, furthering the political agenda of those two parties above newer ideas.

        You are stigmatized if you profess any interest in politics diverging from the norm.

        Our government hides behind national security and state secrets in order to keep the proles controlled.

        Big Brother has gotten larger and larger in a need to support a military state.

        War is Peace.

        How are we supposed to do much when our say is so minimized in how we can criticize the govn, how we can freely assemble, and where we can have a say in our judicial system?

        • Anonymous

          Land of the free LOL

          If people stopped joining the military you would gave more say in your country.

  • Arb

    being in a different country I don’t think they can enforce the judgement

    • Duke

      Did you guys read the previous story on TorrentFreak – the US is now extraditing alleged copyright infringers, being in another country doesn’t seem to be good enough yet. The only safe places are those without extradition treaties… like China and North Korea…

      • Anonymous

        Nowhere is safe from the USA. It’s like a cockroach. Once it gets in, it takes over.

        • Ircerr

          Time for USA Freedom sites to get extradited to China, since it is against the law there.
          Yet we can not extradite a President to Canada for War Crimes?
          –iR

        • http://crashsuit.blogspot.com crashsuit

          Listen everyone, I’m sorry, if it helps any we here in the US hate this crap as much as everyone else.

      • Gene_Poole

        Not for a civil suit, they can’t.

      • Haxor

        BLANK MEDIA LEVY you retard means id sue the appropriate canuck affiliate for slander , defamation of character, pain and suffering and a few charter violations of privacy and prolly more a real lawyer can dream up for a few million.

        DONT YOU WONDER WHY THE CANUCK VERSIONS AREN’T SUING?

        • Haxor

          ill add the recent lawsuit that was settled form musicans and the CRIA , had the CRIA state they had a 40 year pending ability to not pay …so i and everyone else should say they will pay in 40 years.

        • http://twitter.com/uJonesing Utah Jones

          You know, I bet all it would take is to sue one Canadian ISP. The hand off in identification information had to occur somewhere- how else would they be able to tie his name to an IP without a reasonable doubt? A Canadian ISP would have had to confirm it, which means the Canadian ISP violated privacy law.

        • http://twitter.com/guspaz Adam Zey

          They already tried that. The judge ruled that the record industry did not have sufficient evidence or grounds to force the ISP to disclose the identities of the alleged filesharers, and the case died. They haven’t tried suing anyone since.

        • whenTheLevyBreaks

          The levy only applies to recorded audio, go reread the Act.

          Video isn’t covered by the levy, and so isn’t provided the same range of personal use copying rights.

      • Captain Caveman

        Sorry China is already allied with the mafiaa http://torrentfreak.com/chinese-crackdown-on-piracy-enters-the-digital-domain-110112/ You ought to read more news caveman

      • Haxor

        the prob wiht this is we have a internet law that plainly says what anyone does on the net our local law supercedes this is how if in canada you view or goto a kiddy pron site they can arrest you. Funny how hollywood says think of the children but wants to then try and bend this law for copyright but in doing it this way if they go ahead and ignore said law may endanger pedophile cases …..

  • Jj

    wow.

    • abc

      wow my arse

    • abc

      wow my arse

  • afrowolf

    Stay classy, GayTorrent.ru. There is one more Canadian who won’t be traveling to the US again.

    • Blackartpart

      Pretty bad, really, especially since I’m an avid user of gaytorrent.ru. Now looking for alternatives… would gay-torrents.net have done any different?

      • Notket

        use freenet

      • Strobble

        Never even heard of gaytorrents anything until today, lol

      • bz

        I really don’t know why people are bashing gaytorrent.ru . As with any tracker, anyone connecting to a swarm for a file can see all of the other users IP addresses.

        Even it it was a private tacker, one would simply just sign up, then sit and collect all of the IPs for that particular torrent.

        It was his ISP that gave him up.

    • Strobble

      Why would he want to, Calgary is nice.

    • Strobble

      Why would he want to, Calgary is nice.

  • Anonymous

    Gay porn again? Now that’s gonna make your eyes water. Naughy boy.

    • Haxor

      what to the broke states of stupidica who would want too. I hope canucks stop traveling to the usa on mass ….i bet the florida economy would dive real fast.

      • Strobble

        The Florida economy is already in the gutter, and with Shitbird Rick Scott running it, it will keep on taking a nose dive

  • Anonymous

    Gay porn again? Now that’s gonna make your eyes water. Naughy boy.

  • Dg

    Looks like they’ve got time and money to loose. The fine will never be paid :)

    • Sc1t4le

      The fine will not be paid but the result marks a precedent and will also be used in the marketing material by the trolls to scare others to pay.

      • Anonymous

        Yes that will be the main use of this judgement. All about advertising $30,000 a movie court fine to scare people into paying their $2900 demand. No mention that this is a default judgement that seems mostly invalid.

        We can sure bet that they will never collect this $60,000.

        • Strobble

          If you are named in the USA, you can always motion to squash for out of jurisdiction (due process), exactly what the Canadian should have did, then they may have been forced to sue in Alberta, I don’t thing they would of.

    • Ven

      You will be surprised at how many ways Canadians operate parts of their lives in the USA (even if they are never physically there). Legally, the United States can crack down on all of those.

      • Seams

        Wrong, they can try, but Canadian law will ALWAYS supersede USA law in Canada. What a fucked up nation, I never hear about Canadian companies suing Americans in “Saskatoon”. The difference is Canadian Government FEAR it’s citizens because we will protest and toss the bastards out. Any government in Canada that would uphold as USA ruling on file sharing would be job hunting in a month.

  • I am a sausage not a hotdog

    lol I’m leaving going back to Brazil i had enough of all the fuck obozo fuck the mpaa fuck the riaa.If Ron Paul doesn’t make it as president I’m officially leaving. Don’t be surprised if people start leaving the united corporate owned states of America.I can always come back. I’m a dual citizen.But, I’m going back to get away with all this corporate takeover crap!! This reminds me of The trailer park boyz!!

    Julian: No, this is a problem at home that has nothing to do with me. You’ve got a lot of anger built up inside of you.[Off Camera to Julian ]

    Heckler: Hey Patrick Swayze!

    Ricky: See how does that feel?

    Julian: All right–

    Ricky: How the fuck does that feel?

    Julian: Yeah, that’s a bad one. Don’t worry about it–

    Heckler: It’s Patrick Swayze and Reveen!

    Julian: Did they just call me Patrick Swayze?

    Ricky: Yeah they did.

    [Three second pause]

    Heckler: It’s fucking Patrick Swayze and Reveen!

    Ricky: You little fuckers.

    Heckler: Hey, ‘Dirty Dancing’!

    • Strobble

      I got dual Citizenship too.. Canada and USA, but I am retiring in Ecuador next year.

  • http://www.facebook.com/prunn Bruno Lévesque

    a calgary bittorent user asked to go defend himself in a california court… no wonder he didnt show up, they are playing dirtier by the day

    • UncleFkr

      He should counter-sue them in Swaziland

  • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

    These fines are absolutely insane. No-one can take the USA seriously any more.

    Fining someone these extortionate rates for u/l a freakin’ movie is absolutely dumb. The US has lost all sense of reality, fairness and justice.

    I’m really sorry guys but they’re just the laughing stock for the rest of the World to point and snigger at. And these bully-boy, fascist tactics wont get you any respect whatsoever.

    The USA has totally lost the plot.

    • Anonymous

      Just thought I’d point out, not all of us here in the U.S. agree with any of this. I am appalled by this article and the one before it (in regards to what the U.S. is doing). I try and explain things to people in other forums and end up getting insulted and what have you (which doesn’t bug me) but still, too many people believe the lies presented to them by the politicians on behalf of the RIAA/MPAA and the various ACS:Law wannabes.

      I agree with you completely about “the US has lost all sense of reality, fairness and justice.” It really has. However there are some judges in the country who see these things for what they are, get rich quick schemes and have stepped in and made the appropriate decisions in regards to not giving them the opportunity to go fishing for “Does” actual information. Or who have asked for more proof, and even punished a few groups (Copyrighthaven, a known “copyright troll” is in serious trouble at the moment over their actions and have opened themselves up to lawsuits) for their actions. Not many judges mind you, but some is better than none.

      And for every Jack Murdock and Paladin of Truth (both ridiculous guys apparently who think the U.S. and the RIAA/MPAA can and should do whatever they want wherever they want) there is a person like me who completely disagrees with them and is much more reasonable (and can back up what they say with actual facts and not just BS).

      I for one apologize to everyone worldwide for the actions of my country. Sorry we elected people who can be bought and paid for by lobbyist for the various groups/corporations. It’s not something we can really stop. And the media doesn’t help the regular Joe Sixpacks who know absolutely nothing but what they’re told get any ACTUAL information (as opposed to mistruths and misinformation that is currently and has always been dished out).

      • Anonymous

        “Just thought I’d point out, not all of us here in the U.S. agree with any of this.”

        Aye. Politicians in the USA are ignoring the people and doing whatever the fuck they want… Which happens to be whatever they’re “lobbied” to do by immense corporations, so in effect, immense corporations are running the country by proxy.

        And voting the bums out doesn’t work because every single motherfucker on the ballot is a bum.

        The deck is stacked. The system is rigged. You know how filesharing is like a hydra? Politics are the same way. You force out one dirty politician(which they all are, at this point) and 10 more replace them.

        The government just keeps getting worse and worse, and there’s nothing the citizens of the USA can actually do to stop it. Not even an armed uprising because that would simply be answered with nightsticks and bullets until it was quelled.

        I’m not just saying this because of filesharing, either, I mean all of the shit that’s been going down. The PATROIT act, at least one concentration camp… Oh sorry, that was politically incorrect, I mean Guantanamo Bay, torture, legal and human rights sailing out the window, the military industry complex now firing on all cylinders and starting a heaping helping of wars where ever there’s money to be made(should have taken Eisenhower more seriously, guys), and then on TOP of that you have the government acting like the copyright industry’s personal attack dog. That’s the obscene cherry capping off the shit sundae.

        The USA is sinking into a long, long night. Hopefully we’ll all still be alive when the dawn breaks, but odds are many of use will be dead. Either from old age or having been carpet bombed into oblivion in order to “save” us from the latest “humanitarian crisis” of the day.

        But here’s to seeing you all on the other side, anyway. Cheers.

        • Anonymous

          Here here! I couldn’t have said it better myself. And might I add, cheers back at ya.

        • Anon

          Jesus.
          What a pussy.

        • Strobble

          I agree with everything you said and our “Forefathers are rolling in their Graves” and have been for a long time. Unfortunately , this country is coming to the end of the road, just like all the narcissistic empires before them.

      • Jean Chicoine

        “I for one apologize to everyone worldwide for the actions of my country.”
        Apologies accepted, but with Harper in power here in Canada, I’m afraid I will eventually have to apologize as well.

      • Anon

        One of the great prides of the priate/torrent community is the stated personal ethic that you break the law with conviction and on the principle that the law is unjust. You stand on the principle of civil disobedience and we all know that principles are not relative, they exist unbending, regardless of context.

        So I hope you stand by your principles going forward. If you don’t we’ll all see how unprincipled you really are.

        And if you do, either side of the border can now catch you, try you, convict you and fine you the smaller “unwillful” amount, $30,000, plus costs, per stolen film.

        This is justice easy to live with, USA style.

        • Anonymous

          One of the great prides of the anti-piracy/torrent community is the belief that anyone who does not condone the RIAA/MPAA or the actions of it’s lapdog is a pirate, when that is not always the case. For example: Me.

          I buy the albums of the very few artists I truly like (and support them by buying their merchandise and attending their concerts). And I don’t care to hear music beyond what I can access on Pandora (freely) or the radio, because I don’t want to give any money to the RIAA/MPAA or the labels (beyond what I do for the handful of albums I purchase per year of my favorite artists). As far as movies go, I pay to go to the theater a few times a year with a friend (and pay for their ticket as well). I don’t buy dvds. But I do purchase the occasional blu-ray of the movies I truly like (which aren’t many and this is probably less than 5 per year). Otherwise my movie fix is met by what I can see on satellite/cable (and any I want to watch more than once I TiVo). As for books, well I’m a huge reader. My taste are all over the place, but I buy my books (both physical and e-book). I also support the comic industry and have a standing pull order at my local shop.

          So I have my principles. As well as my own code of ethics. And I don’t need to pirate anything. As far as anything else, I stand by my actions. I speed, I’ll take the ticket. Etc.

          And also, “can catch you” doesn’t mean “will catch you”. There’s a difference and it is a big one. You can judge me and assume things about me, doesn’t mean you should and for damn sure doesn’t mean you’re right. The same way I can assume you’re an a$$ for making assumptions, doesn’t make it so though.

          And justice in the USA is a joke. It goes to the highest bidder.

        • Haxor

          BLANK MEDIA LEVY and as hte CRIA stated when it got sued for not paying musicians the levy there is a 40 yr pending payment time. in 40 years ill be dead so suck my big hairy dick you wanky fucktard greedy bastards

        • Jmorse43508

          Obvious troll is obvious.

          Move along, folks. Nothing to see here.

    • IronForge

      We don’t want your respect. We want you to fear US[A].

      • Haxor

        fuck you and the gay ficking facist nazi’s that run your land you chicken shit fags

      • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

        Actually that’s more and more becoming clearly obvious – it’s why I use words such as fascist to describe the actions of the USA’s government and it’s agencies at home AND abroad.

        I don’t use words such as that simply for effect or to get a laugh. And I’m afraid I MUST agree with your concise and VERY poignant observation because of its inherent Truth.

        And therein lies the danger to the USA my friend. Because it takes too much effort and expense to run an Empire based on fear, and your excellent Country will eventually lose out badly. The REAL America-haters are your own corporations and your paid-for political puppets – not people like me throughout the rest of the CIVILISED World.

        And just to set the record straight – I actually LOVE America and it’s people. But you’re being run into the ground by enemies from within, and when I write “bad words or comments” against America, it’s those fascist asswipes I address – NOT the brave People who have to live there under fear from their own fascists within.

        btw, that also means I accept unreservedly electric-worry’s sincere apology for the actions of his elected fascists.

    • Sdfsd

      Typical F@g pirate missing cum in hos mouth tonight. whata shame

      • UncleFkr

        Typical ad hominem troll insecure in their own sexuality. If you’re male then you’re less of a man than anyone brave enough to stand proud and say that they’re gay in the face of such ignorant vitriol. Or maybe you’ll grow up one day and stop feeling scared about anyone who happens to be different to you.

    • Sdfsd

      Typical F@g pirate missing cum in hos mouth tonight. whata shame

  • Rr

    gaytorrents (ugh) shoudn’t have gave the information up.

    • Anon

      The ridiculous fine is to be expected from the US court system. But for a site to give up the details of it’s users is inexcusable.

      This site needs to be taught a lesson…

      • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

        You honestly think this lawyer was telling the truth?
        lol

        See this excellent analysis by a well-respected TF regular to dispel your faith in Corporate Lawyers -
        http://torrentfreak.com/canadian-bittorrent-user-fined-60000-by-u-s-court-110615/#comment-227166705

        • Sdfsd

          I’d never trust another man who likes another man’s c0ck in his mouth Rob.

        • DocGerbil100

          In reply to Sdfsd: homophobia is gay. I just thought you should know that.

        • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

          lol, I’m just sooooo pleased to have my very own stalker Doc.

          Hope his dick isn’t too fat – they make me gag too much lol

  • Phil Landry

    There is only one thing we Canadian must do. Stop sharing stuff to american IPs. It sucks but as long as the USA will keep this nonsense, I wouldn’t risk sharing stuff with American IPs. It’s probably not 100% efficient, but it’s a start. With Harper in place for the next four years, we might as well be the 51st state…

    • Lurkio

      I wouldn’t be sharing gay porn with no Yank and that’s a fact!
      You just don’t know who’s pulling it off the other end. ;)

    • Anon

      ” I wouldn’t risk sharing stuff with American IPs”

      Phil Landry got it! Way to go, Phil!.

      Smart guy! No law breaking!
      Live legally just sounds reasonable.

      Next we’ll see if other intelligence here actually notices. lol

    • Haxor

      why ignore it so what i dont want to goto the usa its there loss if i dont travel there and SPEND MONEY and help the economy LOL

      SEE the economy is not all hollywood in case they forgot. BUT hey oh well, here are my ideas:
      EMAIL this company your going to download and share it and have a million people do that in a day…..

      hack that russian site change all the details to ips to obamas blackberry.

    • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

      The best thing to do Phil is actually open all ports and share as much as you can with folks in the US. These guys need all the support they can get from us Worldwide.

      To share safely with them and protect your own personal privacy online, all you need is a proxy or a VPN. There’s plenty to choose from, but read their terms & conditions, and don’t use one that’s based in the USA or your home country.

      We need to keep sharing with the US guys to let them know we support the People and NOT their fascist government.

      Sharing is Caring

      And I care A LOT for our brave filesharers in the USA.

    • Ven

      It won’t matter really, if they are pounding you for copyright infringement it won’t matter that you did the deed in Canada.

      What you need to do is be aware of the pertinent laws regarding filesharing, and understand how to file the correct paperwork to keep yourself from having a court date in Los Angeles.

  • Ryan

    Are ppl really taking this serious? the court had no choice but to rule in favor of the gay porn site. Fact is the gay site was elated that no one challenged them in court. This ruling means nothing.

    • B4381395

      What I do not understand about the fine: Was this for copyright violation, i.e. can a copyright violation alone cause such a high penalty? Or was it for damages? In that case, to justify the damage, wouldn’t the bittorrent user have to share these files 100s of times to even cause that amount of damage? And wouldn’t this need proof? I mean, if I used a BT client and only upload 2x of what I download, then I can only cause little damage, can’t I? Nothing more than what I used to do when I copied my records back in the 80s on tape to a few friends. The damage was there, but far from that amount they’re claiming here.

      • Ven

        This is where the current laws regarding filesharing are far uglier than for street corner counterfeit shops.

        When you share a copyrighted file, you are distributing copyrighted works (a felony in the US). The law does not recognize the fact that you are not distributing for profit (although the judge can lower a fine because of this – if you show up to court). The letter of the law then sees that you are potentially distributing to millions of people, and will ignore the fact that millions of others are doing the same thing (again, the judge can make the call based upon your specific situation).

        So the letter of the law will see you as the grand-daddy counterfeit kingpin of the century and if you aren’t there to defend yourself the Judge has to strike a balance between those laws and the evidence of prosecution – neither of which will give the judge any wiggle room to help you out.

        The moral of the story is this: don’t miss your court dates.

  • Jack

    I swear, this must have nothing to do with copyright. It has to be some homophobes in washington.

  • CanadaRules

    Remember what happened to the Prince of Pot, currently serving sentence in a US prison. Somehow the empire manages to apply its law in any country they want, specially canada, which they consider just one more province. They also invade and and kill thousands of innocents in many other countries, that is illegal of course, but they have two importants things to consider, money and weapons.

  • Guest

    what the fuck is the owner of this gay porn site thinking.what a bitch handing out the details of users to authorities.if anyone is stupid enough to continue using this tracker then they deserve whats coming to them…………..

    • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

      You’re assuming Randazza the prosecuting lawyer acting on behalf of his corporate client was telling the truth to the Court.

      As a site Admin myself I truly doubt the veracity of these claims my friend. But Randazza no doubt gambled that no-one from GT.ru(ssia) would be in any position to challenge these crazy allegations.

      Just as Randazza also gambled that Mr Phillips wouldn’t fight the allegations against him either – WHETHER THEY BE TRUE or FALSE – simply because, yet again, “the industry” picks on someone who is poorly positioned to properly defend themselves (ie someone from a foreign Country). It’s as if this lawyer is simply taking the utter piss out of his client by allowing them to pay for his services to chase such victims of their copywrong con.

      He gets a technical win then no doubt goes to a party paid for by his dumbass client who thinks it’s a real and proper win – diregarding the mere fact that their most recent victim was in a foreign Country and not prepared (or maybe unable) to pay for the cost of defending such a case in person.

      I strongly suspect Alan Phillips sought professional legal advice and was advised not to answer the case (and not visit the USA ever again – but who would really want to nowadays anyway?)

      This default judgment holds no sway in the legal community or in the bigger picture, yet it’s importance is reduced to the simple fact that the judge refused to award the full claim for so-called damages.

      That the reduced award will yet again NEVER BE RECOVERED is apparently unimportant to this demented lawyer and his crazy client.

      • Ven

        To be fair, it only seems like the industry picks on the weak because TF and other news sites rarely report on the thousands of cases that fizzle out due to intelligent defendants. The copyright law dogs are like cold-call salesmen: they harass everybody and expect a statistically-developed turn around on their lawsuits. This was most likely a person who got a summons, laughed and ignored it, and that was the big mistake he made.

        And don’t bet your life savings that they can’t get the settlement out of him. The Canadians have a long history of backing up U.S. cases that go to their Foreign Judgements. At the very least, Canada will force a retrial up there, which will be another pain in that man’s backside.

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  • Guest

    busted for sharing GAY PORN

    LOL

  • Quinn

    I would like to see that judge fly to fucking Canada to take part in legal proceedings that HE feels are inappropriate and obscene.

    That’s exactly why this Canadian didn’t fly to California.

    • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

      Maybe Alan’s unemployed and would have to thumb his way there and back?
      As well as sleep rough on the steps of the Court until his hearing was dealt with.

  • Can

    I have just one word for the USA: 1812 !

    • Bored

      1812 is either 1 number or two words. eighteen twelve.

  • Kosh

    LOL ..They just state that he did it without proving anything at all. His IP is shown but no logs of any transfers or packets to / from his IP and still they convict him. They haven’t even shown that he did in fact transfer any data containing what they claim.
    It’s a scary world we live in.

    • Ven

      All he had to do was have somebody claiming to represent him show up and offer that defense and he would have been gold.

      Which leads me to an interesting proposition: how many of you would consider organizing to make sure this kind of thing never happened? All that would be required is for a few people local to each jurisdiction to read up on some basic procedural law and memorize some basic defenses against poor legal attacks (such as IP farming), and then they could represent one another should this kind of thing happen. While few of us could quit our day jobs and be lawyers, doing this would be huge against the quick-money lawsuits we’ve seen against file-sharers.

      Ideas?

  • RIAAtarded

    how do they know who he is , canadian privacy laws don’t allow that info to be given out so if they actually have it he can sue.

  • Haxor

    sorry USA but in canada what we do on the net we have a internet law that states canadian law supercedes all others …this is how kiddy pron jerks are caught and if whats legal here you make exception then a kiddy pron guy may use that as a precident and screw up the jutice system.

    HOLLYWOOD thinking of children again

  • Anonymous

    Since the defendant live in Canada this US court is not competent. Therefore this is a bowlshit verdict rendered by a bowlshit judge in a bowlshit court for a bowlshit and pederast plaintiff and it’s pederast attorneys.

    And how are they supposed to make this guy pay 60,000?

    They can go and fuck themselves.

    Judge Houston is an idiot.

    Meanwhile we are working on a new porn production called: anonymous fuck Liberty media in a theater near you soon.

    ANONYMOUS!

    • Anonymous

      On a tracker near you, I suppose?

    • Haxor

      and its time to educate americans aobut our internet law especially that one that aids in actually combating kiddy pron , ya know hte one in canada that says what we do on the net nomatter where we are and go canuck law applies thus you visit some sicko site and get logged doing it you get busted. IF something we do here isnt legal and it is out there to fraking bad. SUCK MY BALLS OBAMA.
      LEADER of that there republican pussy fest too.

  • Anonymous

    “One of the great prides of the anti-piracy/torrent community is the belief that anyone who does not condone the RIAA/MPAA or the actions of it’s lapdog is a pirate, when that is not always the case. For example: Me.”

    There is NO anti-piracy/torrent community. All you have is few pay stupid trolls courtesy of the industry who are using multiple fake persona for propaganda such as the one posted under the name “Anon”.

    • Anonymous

      Very true. I should’ve stated that. But in regards to most things, it’s an “us” and “them” type of viewpoint. “If you’re not with us, you must be against us.” But you said it correctly, it’s a few guys who get paid to say the same thing over and over. They always give themselves away because they type the same thing over and over so often that you can recognize their speech. The way they write and the style it has and all that.

    • Haxor

      with a levy in canada no one non commercially sharing is a pirate i will argue that he should sue the CRIA locally in canada and get a declaration here locally that he is not a pirate and a lil bonus for pain suffering and mental anguish , as well as slander and defamation of character.

      START SLAPPING the bastards back.

  • DTR

    HAHA, they won’t see a penny and he will continue to download gay porn…….even though i find that slightly disturbing.

  • DTR

    HAHA, they won’t see a penny and he will continue to download gay porn…….even though i find that slightly disturbing.

  • Anonymous

    Great plan about blocking IP’s from the US of Absurd. Any plugging that could do that on a torrent client? Think i’ll make that for my website too, show a nice message why they are blocked. Yeah.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FCNK7C55CBUYFVSC5LNWKB322E Buglord

    so they want us to pay $30,000 for a movie that may not be worth $10, no wonder people pirate…

  • Anonymous

    He should file motions to delay the payment pending an appeal,..by the time a judgement is final,..The U.S. with its “printing money to juice the economy” strategy,..by the time his appeals run out,. $60,000 US will equal about $300 Canadian, 200 Euros,.. or 50 trillion YEN,..

    • Anonymous

      In a few months, that’ll be true… The best part is: The MAFIAA are making the government actually WASTE money on convicting file shares. If they just prevented the MAFIAA from suing anybody, they would save a large amount of cash for other stuff..

  • Xult

    Gay Canadian filesharer = Muslim Funamentalist = Julian Assange
    = British Webpage hoster
    etc etc in the views held currently by certain American Authorities.
    All to be extradited and given American Justice at the hands of a
    bribed judge and a jury of rednecks.

  • Anonymous

    lol, like a Canadian really cares about some US kangaroo court judgment. Thats pretty funny dude. complete-privacy.no.tc

  • http://www.facebook.com/jordan.kratz Jordan Kratz

    another bullshit decision laid down.hope they never see a dime of his money.
    FUCK OFF MAFIAA

    the 2nd revolution is on its way !!!

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  • anon1

    so why didn’t they sue, or ICE shut down this gay torrent site instead? seems logical to me to stop the site with probably thousands of people sharing their films rather than going after 1 person. i know of people in Canada who have gotten the copyright violation notices from their ISP’s, but it seems to depend on who your provider is, one ISP tech told me they more or less throw them in the garbage. the 2 i know of for sure in Canada that will send copyright letters are VideoTron (in Quebec) and Bell Canada, so be careful (I’m with a small local that throws them in the garbage).
    i would also like to say most of the world understands things like this are NOT the fault of the American people, it is their Government and corporations, i have nothing but respect for the actual people of the U.S.

    • Anonymous

      Which is why real people use real ISPs.

      (btw, Quebec speaks French so VideoTron could be a little Sarkozy in Canada :p)

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  • Jmorse43508

    So Corbin Fisher “won” a default judgement in a US court against a Canadian filesharer.

    Good luck with collecting on that. They probably won’t see even one cent from it.

  • http://twitter.com/electrotech555 Austin L

    The torrent and file-sharing industry has been acting strange and has been heating up recently. I always remind my self, even with all of my block-lists up to date, that there still is that small chance in wondering that, “hey it could be me”. Also all of these arrests and court filings are illegal and to know that we do not need to follow anything unjust and to more importance anything that is unconstitutional in our own region of living. I say keep piracy strong because if we can out rule the unjust, the justice will certainly spread.

    • Strobble

      People should protect themselves on public trackers, use Tor/Tails switch IP’s often with the Tor Button. These trolls are after low hanging fruit. Some people are throwing themselves out there without a condom. If the TROLLS have to actually work to track somebody down they would just give up.

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  • Anon

    I have a question, by downloading a file (bits of data) with a title (not copy written). How could the downloader possibly know the video was copy written? If the first slide of a movie saying it is copy written was removed, the downloader could plead innocent the same way people sue for coffee spills that don’t have the WARNING label.

    • Strobble

      Because if you are going to download for instance a Transformers movie, not saying that I ever did that, you should know it is copyrighted. And once you start watching it the FBI warning will be right there and if you seeded it then that is where they got you, distributing. OR so they think; but nevertheless, you will get a letter of extortion from the trolls, if they match your IP to you, what you do with that letter is up to you. When you download software, then you have to download a crack to use it for more than 30 days, in this case once you use the crack then you are infringing (ULUA Agreement) but they would have to come to your house or you would have to update the software for them to know that..which they won’t, they got bigger fish to fry.

  • http://www.facebook.com/brad.sanders Brad Sanders

    Little known fact. I was sentenced to die in Iran for being an infidel. Unfortunately for them, I have no intent of paying my fine and I wish them luck on trying to collect.

  • Rftcrusher

    This is serious . The US is bankrupt, is it any wonder they have these outlandish fines. Wasn’t to long ago that a certain country in Europe went bankrupt and lost all its satellite countries to the west. The US can only muscle its self onto so many countries before it goes broke and I guess they have reached their limit, its about time, maybe they will go home and mind their own business for awhile until they pay down their 14 trillion debt and not take the rest of the world with them. Its not funny that the last two downturns in the worlds economy was caused by the illegal activities of the US investment firms trying to get rich quick. The nice thing about all this is when the next world depression hits the rich will get taken down also. If what I own becomes worthless so does their shit.

    • Strobble

      And even if they buy all the gold, what can they do with it, they can try eat it I guess.

  • http://profiles.google.com/dericamongeon Deric Mongeon

    Let me tell you that is some stupid stuff there I am Canadian and if you want to sue me you better come up here and do it to my face to pull no I am going to sue from California BS I am Canadian and I am not going to follow your laws or your Judgments . And really was it that judges first day on the Job imposing judgement on a Citizen of another Country all send you packing sir if you try that crap in my country at the end of a 12 gauge

  • WhoCaresAboutYou

    dont be a gay, cos entertainment studio will fcuk u :)

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  • Junior

    This is a lie, GT.ru did not supply any information nor were they contacted by the studio. It is a private tracker that will not give out user information.

  • Guest

    “Even in Canada a judge would have been unable to throw the case out.”

    No. This judge is an idiot or corrupt because according to the US federal law and the California law the judge should have rejected the case since the defendant does not live in California but abroad where US courts have no jurisdiction and no competency.

    The judge should have declared it’s court incompetent to judge this case.

    This is another demonstration that in USA the civil courts are BS.

  • http://www.xbomber.co.uk/ Crash

    Gaytorrents indeed if they just handed over the user data without a court order.

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  • Strobble

    Their was a news flash today about China making counterfeit weapons parts that are ending up in the US soldiers weapons. The US government asked China to do an investigation on how this could happen and China just ignored them. That was funny because obviously, a greedy American Corporation is sending parts over there so they can duplicate them.

  • Admin

    gt.ru statement:
    Following the rumors that had spread on the Internet and within our site community (in various forum threads) about GayTorrent.ru giving out personal information about its members to certain gay-porn studios, we, GT.ru’s administration, feel it’s our duty to condemn such groundless statements and unashamed lies! We once again reiterate – GayTorrent.ru is not and will never be handing out personal data of our members (such as their IP addresses)! Everything you hear and read in the articles on the Internet is a shameless scare tactic of the aforementioned studios!

    Facts:
    - Corbin Fisher never contacts us
    - Nobody ask us about IP’s yet (and if, we will not hand them out)
    - The System does not show any IP’s anywhere

  • False Economy

    “My client is delighted with the verdict,” he added. Just how muck of the $60k are they ever likely to see? False economy in action.

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  • Paladin Of Truth

    The time unfortunatly does not suit crime. What this man did is beyond reproch. He should have to pay at least ten times the amount.
    Altough I guess its good, we are taking out two birds with one stone: An Illegal Downloader, and a Homosexual. Both a tax to society

    • GenieUs

      Nice troll Emptyhead Of Crap.

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  • Anson Alexander

    It looks a lot better if you make an attempt to defend yourself.

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  • Jd

    I can’t see how American laws apply to someone living in another country. I doubt there is anything that would happen due to this ruling because America has no authority in Canada.

    This is more likely another judge who has his pockets lined with money. Either that or he/she is incredibly stupid to not see this person lives in another country.

    Plus another point, how is the guy supposed to know how American law works when he lives in another country. Americans don’t even understand it. I’d bet most people here don’t know any Canadian law.

  • Jd

    I can’t see how American laws apply to someone living in another country. I doubt there is anything that would happen due to this ruling because America has no authority in Canada.

    This is more likely another judge who has his pockets lined with money. Either that or he/she is incredibly stupid to not see this person lives in another country.

    Plus another point, how is the guy supposed to know how American law works when he lives in another country. Americans don’t even understand it. I’d bet most people here don’t know any Canadian law.

  • Saul Goodman

    Clearly this is a fake attempt, or scam attempt to collect!

    My firm is:
    matchettlaw.com

    Call me immediately if you have a similar issue! We do it all!

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  • Janus2356

    The post by matchettlaw.com is so idiotic and uninformed, I suspect that someone has put matchetlaw’s name on the post fraudulently. How can a court’s final judgment be a “fake attempt” (sic) or “scam attempt” (sic)?

    As to the case itself, the infringer had plenty of connections to the USA, including stealing the video of a USA firm, advertising into the USA, obtaining money from USA residents and citizens, etc. There is no question of adequate nexus or jurisdiction or venue, or any other issue.

    As to “fighting” the copyright claim … most cases are pretty much slamdunk; straightforward. Best strategy for a thief who gets caught is to beg for mercy and settle.

  • Captain_Kidd

    When you strip away the general idiocy of the pro-piracy posts above, their message boils down to the idiotic notion that it is okay to steal music/movies/photos/porn. It isn’t. Nor is it as safe as some of the fucktards above believe. There are ways to track down thieves, even thieves working through BitTorrent arrangements.

    • Sohcahtoa

      Morally speaking, piracy must happen to challenge the statusquo AND to make shit awesome. I’ll send you my thesis when I feel like typing more than a hundred words.

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  • Dude

    canadians may not be immune from copyright law, we are however immune to AMERICAN law, so fuck you

  • Cosmonaut 289

    Oooooohh,….come & get me America!

    After all the shit the US has caused around the planet…….FUCK YOU.!!!

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