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CBS and CNET Protest Looming BitTorrent Client Ban

CBS and CNET have asked a Californian federal court not to grant a ban on the distribution of file-sharing software through Download.com. They responded to a request for a preliminary injunction from a coalition of artists and billionaire Alki David who claim that CBS induces piracy. According to the media conglomerate this is not the case, and CBS argues that there are many non-infringing uses for BitTorrent.

alki davidLast year, Alki David and a coalition of artists sued CBS and CNET for their role in distributing uTorrent, LimeWire and other P2P software.

The artists claimed that CNET profits heavily from distributing file-sharing software via Download.com, while demonstrating in editorial reviews how these application can be used to download copyright-infringing material.

In the original complaint the artists pointed out several examples where CNET editors posted videos and screenshots of infringing materials. For example, a review of MP3Rocket included a screenshot of pirated songs from Madonna, Lady Gaga, Alicia Keys, Usher, Rihanna and Eminem.

In July this year CBS and CNET responded that the reviews were merely opinions and that being held liable for inducing infringement would amount to a violation of their right to free speech under the First Amendment.

A judge disagreed, ruling that inducement could be considered since Download.com also distributed the software they reviewed.

This prompted Alki David and the artists to move forward and last November they asked the court to issue a sweeping injunction, one that would ban all BitTorrent client downloads from the popular software download portal Download.com.

Late last week CBS and CNET responded to the proposed preliminary injunction, asking the court to deny the plaintiff’s request. The companies use a wide variety of arguments to back up their motion, and among other things they emphasize the legal use of BitTorrent clients.

“BitTorrent is not limited to any particular file type This gives it many significant non-infringing uses—above and beyond the artists who have chosen to release works for free distribution,” they write in their motion.

“Among the many non-profit organizations that use BitTorrent for the distribution of educational content, the TED Conferences make their talks available using BitTorrent, enabling distribution around the world at a low cost and to audiences where censorship restrictions might otherwise hinder dissemination.”

CBS and CNET also bring in several expert witnesses to back up these claims including Glenn Reinman, Associate Professor in the Department of Computer Science at the University of California Los Angeles.

Reinman mentions that one of the main benefits of BitTorrent is that it enables freedom of information in regimes where the Internet is censored.

“BitTorrent Technology is a valuable tool to combat censorship by repressive regimes. Repressive countries are able to block access to specific Web sites using firewalls and other technologies. Where information is hosted on a single Web site or server it can be effectively blocked by governments,” he writes in his declaration.

The Professor further sums up the many other legitimate uses of BitTorrent. His list includes software such as Apache, Linux and OpenOffice, large datasets that are shared by researchers, game patches, music and video.

Legal uses aside, CBS and CNET also believe that the basic requirements for proving inducement are absent in this case.

Addressing the copyright infringement claims, CBS and CNET argue that the artists give no solid evidence that the work they own are at stake, or that any direct infringements took place. They further inform the court that they are not hosting any BitTorrent clients, but merely link to it.

It is now up to the judge to decide in whose favor the scale tips and whether CBS and CNET should still be allowed to link to BitTorrent clients and other file-sharing software.

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  • http://twitter.com/viciouzex Joseph Fernandez

    say stuff people.

    • ScrewEwe2

      stuff

  • Anyone

    isn’t CBS also in some way connected to the MAFIAA? being a TV station and all that?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/EXE3YIVR2YWK5ISILSRHSJW5IU Zack

      They’d rather you use p2p than a file hosting site so they can sue you

      • Andrew me

        Nope they are promoting bittorent because it is easier on their networks, nothing more. Piracy does not harm anyone we all know that and they know that, they cannot come out and claim that though as then it would not be just 20% of the world population sharing it would be more like 60% and that might just be enough people to actually do them some harm.

  • Guest

    on the totally unrelated topic – CNET is a pile of garbage

    • 625

      Indeed, and very much related. CNET pushes adware like no other site.

      • Andrew me

        But it is a good site to get software, but i use filehippo they are great and have the latest versions of the files they share.

  • GoingPostal13

    They’ll be trying to ban VCRs next …

    • Sketch

      sony tried to ban VCR’s in the 80′s, they sued

      • GoingPostal13

        ;)

      • xpmule

        funny how money is the source and solution to the problem

      • NewClear

        Lets not forget when the RIAA tried to ban one of the first Mp3 players.

        • Anyone

          they succeeded in bankrupting Rio
          the MAFIAA really has to be dismantled, before they cause even more damage

  • http://identi.ca/LauRoman Laurențiu Roman

    Bittorrent clients are heavily downlaoded. A big reason they resist the ban is because Download(dot)com installs tollbars and other crapware along with the software you download.

    • Christopher Kidwell

      Sometimes they do. Some downloads I get clean and fresh, no crapware. Others do include crapware. It’s a pain in the butt trying to figure out when you will get crapware and when you won’t.

    • cramer

      INDEED. Everything about download.com SCREAMS scam site. It’s next to impossible to find “the” download link, and then 90% of the time it’s not what you’re looking for but some damned crapware installing DOWNLOADER.

      Only idiots go to download.com. Especially for a bittorrent client.

      • bobmail

        It proves the point however that download.com is attempting to profit from piracy. The lawsuit, even by you two guys simple explaination, has merit.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          “The lawsuit, even by you two guys simple explaination, has merit.”

          Not really, since what the lawsuit isn’t trying to do is getting them to change the particular advertising they use to get people to download and use the software.

          An injunction made to get them to remove the adverts showing how to download copyrighted material might have – this is really the province of TPB and other webforums not affiliated with commercial interests.

          But a blanket ban on the software itself is extremely unmerited. The same argument holds true for any dual-use tool, even where the unlawful use may be far more severe. It’s ok for a shop to sell a crowbar – but not to advertise on it’s use in breaking and entering, for instance.

          [EDIT] In going for a blanket ban, however, the overextension is directly harmful to your cause. If a judge tosses this case out of court, there is precedence against the advertising being grounds for an injunction as well.

        • Ardvaark

          So it does indeed seem you are beginning to forget which side you’re on.

          Are you sure you want C.Net to be prosecuted?

          This case is very interesting because it shows exactly that the war on piracy is nothing but a war for control of the distribution market, and uses the damages to the artists as a blanket excuse to cover the real intentions I mentioned.

          Don’t understand yet? keep reading.

          So as you know C-Net, Download.com’s owner is owned by CBS (that’s where the C comes from) which is also known as Viacom.

          You see, VIACOM, who fights copyright infringement and fully supports the MAFIAA, distributed BitTorrent on their own site. And before that, they distributed Limewire and Kazaa. You’ll find that a huge load of the newest pirates actually started by finding about Kazaa and Emule and similar software on Download.com.

          So now you have two options, either stick with the “This lawsuit has merit” where you’re going against your MAFIAA Boss, or you understand that some of the MAFIAA supporters entered the piracy distribution scene in order to use it as the means to later control the distribution environment. They started by quietly supporting it so that when critical mass was achieved they could capitalize on it and that’s where these downloads on C-Net come to play.

          Unfortunately they didn’t predict it would backfire with the huge internet boom that happened later, but since when can the MAFIAA predict a good business chance. They missed the online music train by 10 or so years….

          Also you’ll see that Cnet is using the same argumets pirates use, so if it can work one way, it can indeed work both ways.

        • Bobmail

          “So it does indeed seem you are beginning to forget which side you’re on.”

          So what you’re saying is that if Download.com profited from piracy, as I claimed, than Viacom profited from piracy.

          And they’re being hyocrites for attacking clueless citizens for doing what they themselves want and encouage people to do.

          And they have no moral high ground. And their interpretations of law and morality surrounding digital communications are fraudulent and suspect.

          OK, I’ll accept that. But the idea of censoring people makes me hard, so I’ll likely carry on. Besides, how else will I get attention from my mom’s basement?

        • Ardvaark

          ahah
          Good Job. You fooled me for a second.

        • xpmule

          people try and profit off of ANYTHING on the internet.
          your point proves nothing.

      • Andrew me

        filehippo is great

  • Alfred Pennyworth

    Some people (Alki David) just want to see the world burn

    • xpmule

      unless you pay them enough money to calm down. just another corrupt greedy pos maggot..

  • Re just.

    Alki David is right cunt of a human being.

  • Wrsia9

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  • http://fightcopyrighttrolls.com/ SJD

    I’m still surprised why spoons are not banned: clearly they are drug paraphernalia.

    • xpmule

      ya when i read “but merely link to it.” i thought hmm where have i heard that before..
      also reminded me of when i had a friend that committed a crime and the police of course came and kicked in my door and arrested me for being “linked” to him /s

      • joexxx

        And probably all of your friends too because they were linked to you and you were linked to the guy who committed a crime!

    • Smekken

      So they can ban BitTorrents-clients because they might be used to download copyright-infringing material but they can’t ban GUNS because they can kill people. What a fucking mess it is in the US…

      • Han

        IMHO, the right to P2P should be covered by the 2nd Ammendment. (“Knowledge is power.”)

        Anyways, the Internet is P2P too so if they attack Bittorrent, the Internet is next, SOPA or no SOPA. These are some pretty big moves.

        You’ll might be glad they didn’t get around to banning those guns.

        • pinhead bursty bubble

          If you survive the gun killing lottery of America.
          30 lucky winners every day !

          The only solution is political and needs regulations on politics.
          Getting the money out of politics is the start.

        • Han

          Yes, get money out of politics.
          However, calling death by gun a lottery is dismissive of the right to protect yourself, your family, and your freedoms. Those sorts of things aren’t up for debate to me. The 2nd Amendment is about protecting yourself from government as much as any other agent. Why on Earth would someone want a automatic weapons? Because authorities have them, and the only way to prevent dictators is to distribute the guard against them among citizens, and you can’t counter an assault rifle with a spoon. Whatever anyone is allowed to have, I should have every right to buy to. If someone wants to give up their guns, that’s fine, but that’s where the debate ends. People are free to do what’s right for them, not what they think is right for anyone else.

        • tsunku

          wrong amendment, it is covered under the first amendment already but the idiots bringing this lawsuit are ignorant of that fact just as they ignorant of what the constitution is, they probably think it’s a navy vessel.

        • http://twitter.com/Christy_John9O Christy John

          A judge disagreed, ruling that inducement could be considered since Download.com also distributed the software they reviewed. http://www.makesupto67dollarperhouronthelaptop.qr.net/j5Kq/l025158?5FlQb20=dWQ&voSH

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          The second the NRA gets their head around the fact that encryption is a defensive tool, the copyright industry is dead.

          And the next generation of the NRA will indeed know this.

      • joexxx

        I’m sure that, in the end, they’ll simply decide to ban something simple… like gravity.

      • Ray

        This is because we are rapidly becoming a Fascist country where corporations make the rules and buy politicians to enact them and buy judges to enforce them.

    • OneEyedWillie

      I Herby ban the use of spoons then as you asked. Somebody was attacked with a spoon once and almost died. Better make it illegal so people don’t hold up a bank with a SPOON! Oh the Horror of it all!

      • ScrewEwe2

        They better get to banning paper money, because it can be rolled up to snort Coke.

        • OneEyedWillie

          Well I use 100′s you?

        • ScrewEwe2

          Whatever the guy with the coke hands me.

        • derpderp

          An erect penis? Or mostly just foreskin for you then?

        • xpmule

          and traces of cocaine can be found on the money too lol
          google it if you don’t know what i mean..

      • DiD
        • Forg

          LOL!!!

        • Andrew me

          Dang i actually watched the full thing, seriously funny and very well made, thank you.

        • Ardvaark

          Damn 20 hours too late :P
          Also thought of this.
          Award winning Indie project btw :)

      • bobmail

        Too bad you miss the point. Spoons are used almost entirely for reasonable and legal purposes, It’s my guess that 99% or more of the use of spoons is for some legal end. Bit Torrent? I am guessing the numbers are a little different, probably 75-90% used to violate the law, and 10-25% legal use. If it was a drug, it would be a controlled substance.

        The nonsense you are spewing is pretty typical pirate stuff, a parallel that just doesn’t make sense because it truly just isn’t the same.

        • FuzzyDuck

          99% of cars are regularly used in such ways that they violate (traffic) laws.
          90% or more of all illicit drugs are transported using cars.
          90% or more of all crimes committed have been facilitated by the use of a car.

          95% of drugs are paid for using cash issued by the Federal reserve (the other 5% by giving head).

          So let’s ban cars and dollars then.

          Your move MAFIAA troll.

        • bobmail

          Wow, you so fail.

          Some cars are used in violation of the law, most of them are not (beyond perhaps speeding or not stopping fully at a stop sign). 99% of a cars life is spent doing legal things.

          The rest of your numbers are made up shit, or absolutely meaningless. Again, money is used mostly for legal purposes (trillions of dollars of transactions).

          So, sorry, you are the one being an ignorant troll.

        • tryDriving

          hmm, 99% of the time people are above the speed limit, shut up.

        • bobmail

          99% of the time?

          What world do you live in? Go drive in LA and tell me how many times during the day you make it over the speed limit… I am guessing it won’t be 99% of the time.

          Shut up? is that your version of discourse?

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          Look at any highway, in any place in the world.

          Better yet, go read up some statistics on casual speeding before you embarrass yourself further.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          And 99% of a bittorrent client’s life is spent doing legal things as well. Such as being dormant when not in use.

          Any car in use will commit infractions as soon as it hits the highway. The odd exception being the few folks in the right lane going 5 mph slower than everyone else.

          “The rest of your numbers are made up shit, or absolutely meaningless.”

          As in “pretty well describing reality?”

          Dual use is pretty well established and has been contested any number of times. That you want to rewrite the last century of legal history doesn’t make your case.

          And why am I not surprised that since your arguments are crap you then resort to invective as the one and only filler which won’t let you down?

          “Trolling” is by definition when someone continually lies and deceives in order to get a point across. That would be you.

          Even children can easily google their way to an understanding that you are lying through your teeth and resorting to abuse when facts refuse to carry you.

          Not even close, Mr. “I’m a fake”.

        • Andrew me

          Actually i think this full comment thread is a troll against those who would like to control everything, lol amazingly good reading.

        • Somebody_Else

          Torrents are essentially just a super efficient file transfer protocol when you get down to it.
          Those who transfer files a lot want the most efficient method for that they can get.
          People that violate copyrights by improperly sharing copyrighted files are in that same group.
          Lots of other people are in that group too.
          ID Software used bittorrent to release software after their previous release (using FTP) had crushed their servers under the massive strain of downloaders.
          Blizzard updates World of Warcraft using a form of bittorrent. (Theirs is completely locked in to their network to minimize the risk of someone compromising the updates.)

          If you get rid of torrents, another protocol will be used, even if it’s an older and less efficient one.
          The way some idiots go on about torrents, you’d think there wasn’t any piracy before bittorrent.
          (And no, it wasn’t bittorrent that caused a marked increase in piracy. I’d suggest one of the big facilitators of that was efficient search engines.)

        • Ardvaark

          Did you seriously take this Spoon joke seriously and tried to parallel it with piracy?

          damn….

        • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

          Too bad you miss the point.

          Perhaps this will shed a clue:

          http://www.law.cornell.edu/copyright/cases/464_US_417.htm

          SONY CORP. OF AMER. v. UNIVERSAL CITY STUDIOS, INC., 464 U.S. 417 (1984)

          ” I therefore conclude that if a significant portion of the product�s use is noninfringing, the manufacturers and sellers cannot be held contributorily liable for the product�s infringing uses.”

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          Tsk, tsk. Stop spewing “typical pirate stuff” – such as facts, Gene Poole.
          You know bobmail’s allergies act up when he’s confronted with actual reality.

        • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

          counting on it. He never responds whenever I shove facts and reason down his throat. Maybe one of these days he’ll choke

        • xpmule

          this is i how i use your OWN logic against you..

          you claim the internet is plagued with rampant piracy and the numbers are large and out of control.. so..
          i guess you better ban the internet itself ..according to your logic.

          how about blank CD/DVD’s ?
          Go for it.. try and twist that around i dare you !!!
          And don’t even think about ignoring the fact that my country and others have a fee attacked to blank media for paying artists AND this is also done on hard drives everywhere.. this is by no means an unusual concept either. if you throw a computer monitor in the dump you will be fined here.. it’s against the law and and if i go to any store where i live there is a large fee attacked to every retail purchase for recycling.

          truly isn’t the same.. exactly

          just because some guy posted at TF with a parallel that was sub par doesn’t mean the rest of us can not provide iron clad rock solid ones ;)

          your making a career out of putting a twist on things but when others do it they are wrong ?

    • Nasty

      I believe that considering the number of offensive lyrics and movies advocating murder and rape produced under the control of the 7 majors corporation of non entertaining “”"entertainment”"” The entire entertainment industry should be banned. Meanwhile someone should k*ll this asshole of Alki David. Also since the federal court is corrupted beyond repair it should be dismantled and citizen shall be forbidden nationwide to abide to the decision of this court.

      • bobmail

        Another wonderful example of the high level discourse here. Another idiot suggestion someone should get killed. Torrent Freak staff, do you really want to let this stuff stand?

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          Eerie how similar you are to Nejtillpirater in condemning everyone else at the drop of a hat, disregarding evidence, but very quick yourself to ask for the expulsion of casual hotheads.

          And I note how you won’t answer how Hollywood productions can easily be construed as encouraging vigilantism, casual violence, unlawful behavior and crime in the same manner as, say, a description on how to use a bittorrent client can.

        • Pelham123

          They allow your creepy science fiction, why not his?

          Why should you be the only psycho here?

        • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

          Look at you trying to push a pro-censorship agenda…this is really no surprise.

          Thing is, if you really think it through, if you believe in freedom of speech, this sort of discourse has to be allowed, has to be protected. Speech that everyone agrees with isn’t controversial and doesn’t need protection. The speech that needs to be protected is the unpopular stuff, like advocating violence, government overthrow etc.

          Were it not for protected speech, slavery would still exist and the USA would still be a part of the monarchy.

      • cupid_stunt

        had not thought about it quite that way, but fully agree.

    • laurie

      So do you want to spoon me?
      Admit it I’m a babe

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBU4rp2lqhQ

    • digu

      this isn’t about banning bittorrent or any P2P software, it’s about banning CNet from distributing them.

      • Somebody_Else

        By that logic, the laws against growing and selling marijuana aren’t about banning marijuana…

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        In short…banning a legal business from distributing a legal software?

        Care to take that one for another spin?

    • Andrew Lee

      It will be a cold day in hell before they take my spoon.

    • Wallace

      It’s not illegal to have spoons. But if you borrow one, you’ve stolen a spoon. That is unacceptable, and like all theft, it will be met by the sternest warnings and civil suits.

  • DA

    Soon we will ban knifes too. Given that they have the ability to harm people. Never mind the fact that its used to cut/chop things

    • Guest

      They did that in the UK iirc.

      • Anonymous

        No they haven’t, I should know I live there!

        Life tip: don’t read the daily mail or watch faux news.

        • Rezident_User

          “faux news”.
          How clever and original. You’re a fucking genius.

        • Zebra52

          Let me guess….you watch the morons at MSNBC.

        • Andrew me

          And you if you do watch Faux News the you are amongst a small group of people who have been declared the most uninformed of any group of people , even people that never watch news.

          And i live in the UK too and though Fox news thinks it is illegal to carry a knife in the UK it is not. Seriously start watching a channel that actually tells you the truth at least most of the time. MSNBC is obviously a very good news channel one respected a little more than faux news.

    • kpraes

      Not ban, but I know Japan got restrinction actions to buy a knife. They don’t sell guns and after a man with a knife went to a Tokyo big street stabbing people randomly, they started discussions for that. Anyway, it is same principle

  • Alfred Pennyworth

    “CBS, ABC, NBC, Fox Broadcasting and their studios won a temporary restraining order against David’s FilmOn in November 2010 to prevent unlicensed use of their broadcast signals . David sued CBS, dropped the suit, and sued CBS Interactive in November 2011, alleging copyright infringement due to the CNET website having editorially covered infringing uses of peer-to-peer file-sharing software.”

    Seems Alki David and is trying to take revenge.

    “Billionaire Alki David loses his wife – and £13m home in the suburbs”

    Butthurt again.

    • anonymous

      fucking good job! probably realised finally what a cunt he is!!

    • Guest

      Alki David is jumping all over CBS for “encouraging piracy”… When he was pirating the broadcast signals of CBS, ABC, NBC, and Fox?!

      THAT’S FUCKING GOLD.

      Amazing how these copyright thugs on a holy war against filesharing always have a hypocrisy level over 9000, isn’t it?

  • bakapinkuu

    “BitTorrent Technology is a valuable tool to combat censorship by
    repressive regimes. Repressive countries are able to block access to
    specific Web sites using firewalls and other technologies. Where
    information is hosted on a single Web site or server it can be
    effectively blocked by governments,” he writes in his declaration.

    I wonder if he honestly thought through how widely this statement can be applied (and remains true).

    Doubt it.

  • Alfred Pennyworth

    “Alkiviades “Alki” David is the heir to the Coca-Cola Hellenic shipping and bottling company”

    Coca-Cola harms teeth. Ban it.

    • IHaveNoBalls

      Coca Cola destroyed my teeth before i was even old enough to realise the damage it does. But i can’t sue Coca Cola or get it banned. Its tough shit for me. No joke though, i want Coca Cola banned, its poison.

      • MuchoGusto

        You seem to be in a bad way, my friend.
        No balls and no teeth.
        Watch the weather, I hear that lightning’s a bitch.

      • IDIOCRACY

        Terrorists breath air, terrorists kill people, killing is against the law (in most countries :P ) lets ban air… hehe

      • ScrewEwe2

        I want the Coke back in Coca Cola.

      • PiRat

        Wash your mouth out with water after consuming something sugary and brush your teeth every day!

    • Wallace

      If you take a drink from somebody else’s Coke, you have stolen from Coca-Cola and should be disabled from drinking.

  • Alfred Pennyworth

    “David was born a British citizen in Nigeria,”

    I demand an investigation into his role in the ‘Nigerian 419′ scams

  • Gumby

    This, is, stupid.

  • http://twitter.com/SpicyLiberal SpicyLiberal

    So, does this mean we will see new CNET “disclosures” on anything bittorrent?

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  • Tupac of Piracy

    ill be screaming out Pirate Life because I know they don’t like it! Prepare my armies for battle! Now let me stir up a riot!

  • anonymous

    when are all these companies and individuals as well going to realise that the entertainment industries and anyone associated with them are not going to be content until they have managed to get shut down every single service they want. the fact that there are a multitude of uses for just about everything, including bittorrent, is irrelevant to them. it would/will, however, be a totally different story if those same industries and individuals were controlling the use of bittorrent. it would magically, over night, become the dogs bollocks of programs that had to be installed on every machine. no files would be allowed to be downloaded without a torrent client and as long as the software were bought from those industries, it would be freely available from all sites!
    this, basically, is just another bit of censorship. it is uncalled for and unjustified, fueled by nothing other than pure jealousy because the industries, in their usual, slow moving and backwards thinking manner, didn’t take the option of using it before it went viral! serves them right but good for the rest of the world!

    • xpmule

      notice the analogy.. a link or something CAN potentially be used for bad purposes..

      LIKE A VPN

  • Tupac Of Piracy

    i’ll be screaming out Pirate Life because I know they dont like it! Prepare my armies for battle! Let me trigger a riot!

  • 2Pac Of Piracy

    i’ll be screaming out Pirate Life because I know they don’t like it! Prepare my armies for battle! Let me trigger a riot!

    • Tupac Of Piracy

      flag this comment as inappropriate and the comment above.

  • Tupac Of Piracy

    hey torrentfreak is there any reason why you are censoring my comments by deleting them? Is it because of my name or you think im just a little to forward in what I say?

    • Anyone

      Disqus has a spam filter
      maybe your comments got caught in them

      if they are false positives they are moved back by moderators
      and it seems all your comments are here, unless you made more than 3 in the last 10 minutes

      • Tupac Of Piracy

        is disqus the new thing ppl have been talking about? i see they changed formats. hehe didnt mean to spam. I’m just not used to having to see my comment appear then it dissappear for a few seconds then come back.Just not use to the new format. I wish there was a way you could delete your own posts.

        • Anyone

          torrentfreak has always used Disqus
          just recently Disqus dropped support for the old layout, so they had to change to the new one

          you can delete (or at least edit) your posts if you register with Disqus

  • ConcernedCommenter

    People of TorrentFreak should protest and tell them to stop with the censorship. Pretty soon you won’t be able to go anywhere and be able to speak openly and freely. Censorship could even end up happening here. One day you could try and write a legitimate comment and it be deleted for some silly reason wether it be the name you used or the content. So stop censorship on the internet!

    • xpmule

      “they” don’t think it’s censorship though so how do we convince them ?

      • ConcernedCommenter

        by any means necessary use your imaginations be creative. I am not responsible for any lawsuits or any jail sentences your creativity may lead to. =)

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  • djb

    still have utorrent 2.0.4.exe, a ban yawn!!

  • TempleNewsam

    It’s only a matter of time before they come for the VPN’s and Proxy’s then ask for fingerprint and iris verification to access the internet.
    I rather wish these RIAA and Copytheft types would catch a big dose of Steve Jobs grade pancreatic cancer.

    • Holololol

      They can try to come after VPNs and proxies but they cannot stretch their copyright claims into countries where file sharing is legal or countries where VPN’s don’t have to keep logs (which is a lot of countries)
      So even if they did go after a VPN, it the person chose a good one it would be a waste of time and they know that. What they are doing is going after the idiots who don’t use VPN’s, who dangle themselves out on the internet like a bobble-head.

      Fingerprint and Iris stuff can be faked. The firmware for devices like that would be cracked wide open. All we need is to have one.

      • xpmule

        the FBI has a lot of pull on manipulating foreign govts. in doing what they want.. the old they can’t do that routine in reality means squat !
        By law i can’t steal a car but if i want to i will.. If the US govt puts enough pressure on say Russia they will CREATE new laws to do their bidding (see recent TF story about Russia for example)

        THEY WILL come after VPN’s and many of you WILL be snared in a pile of BS ! Its about as certain as gravity..
        ANd you have a lot of fucking nerve asshole, you call me an idiot for not paying money for a VPN service ? fuck you ! your the idiot not me pal. For one thing why the hell should I have to pay money to HIDE so my free rights are *probably not going to be violated ?
        I don’t blame people for wanting to avoid problems by hiding but i have ZERO respect for cocky and mouthy VPN kiddies talking shit !
        Many of you delusional cocky pricks will be in court at some point and i will laugh at you then and SCREAM at told you so I D I O T !

        • Anonymous

          The FBI cannot even comprehend the sheer might of a foreign government, don’t kid yourself, what you are referring to is putting pressure on Obama to push for sanctions on said country which is proper protocol, the other measures usually include booting them out of the WTO amongst other red-tape measures.

        • xpmule

          maybe you should google Kim Dotcom for a precedent that PROVES my earlier point..

  • bioglass

    wait a minute while I wrap my head around this … CBS columbia broadcasting system music division which was acquired by SONY Music Entertainment which tried to put DRM on everyones computer via cd copying which now is associated with CNET is being sued for distribution of torrent software by artists?

  • Holololol

    No evidence that any wrong doing was actually taking place. – Check

    Assumptions and hearsay presented as evidence -> Check

    Bunch of rich people with too much time on their hands -> check.

    Lawsuit time!

    the requirements for a lawsuit these days is so low in the US it is laughable. I do not understand how these are actually heard by a judge. There is no proof at all the Cnet or Download.com infringed or spread any copyrighted material. They host software that spoofs Mac addresses, network penetration tools, but they get hauled into court for hosting totally legal Torrent clients.

    These people need to be stopped. They are trying to stand in the way of progress, innovation and are trying to deny the future that is happening all around them even though its way too late.

  • HMM

    Alki David is a prize CUNT

  • Occasional Guest

    The only time I use BT is for legal purposes, Humble Bundle, Linux, SC2, etc.

    Basically, these ignoramus want to ban what is a very useful tool, for example, to download a linux distro via BT can take a fraction of the time it would take to download via a server and save the maker/distributor the cost associated.

    I rarely post on this site but this issue is a real problem should cnet lose (because it sets precedent).

    • bobmail

      The thing is your goals could easily be accomplished without all of the hiding and scheming put into bit torrent to try to avoid detection. Bandwidth is cheap, all of the things you listed could be downloaded from straight download sites for pennies. There is no reason to use the convoluted methods of bit torrent here.

      • Indiagrt

        mr bob bandwidth may cheap in western countries or country you r living in.. but if you take Asian countries the bandwidth is very costly..and the software or music or video whatever is not charge for us in pennies it more costlier compared to western countries.. And one more thing its very easy to download frm bit torrent then directly frm sites..

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        Stop talking – again – about technology you do not possess a clue about.

        Bittorrent is, for many reasons, one of the most efficient and practical protocols available for file transfers.

        Most other protocols require centralized servers. Meaning that “Occasional Guest”‘s goals could indeed be easily accomplished at a cost several magnitudes over what bittorrent provides.

        And any decentralized protocol allowing free exchange of files will naturally also be used for copyright infringement. This is why your solution of disallowing “filesharer protocols” inevitably means we get rid of the internet altogether because any protocol used for communication can, has been, or will be adapted for filesharing.

        We have explained this to you before – in detail – so please stop backpedaling into proven falsehoods.

      • LinusTorvalds

        Whats that smell? Oh yeah, Bobmail’s talking out of his ass again. Bandwidth costs are the single significant cost in any online distribution system (the actual per copy ‘cost’ of the data is zero, it’s shifting that data down a pipe that swallows cash). Now this is perfectly fine if you’re a commercial entitiy selling your software online, but if you’re an open source software project with no actual income because your whole core set of programmers are volunteers doing it in their own time then any costs are a non-starter. Much better to have a system whereby you’re providing the end user just as good a service, but it costs you nothing in bandwidth. Et voila… BitTorrent – great for sending out Nix distro updates. Any ban on that is an attack on creativity, culture and free speech.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          At this point is where we introduce the frequent attempts by proprietary-software industries to have open source declared illegal…

      • Wallace

        “without all of the hiding and scheming put into bit torrent to try to avoid detection.”

        hahahahahahaha

        BitTorrent is public, you dimwit. That’s why BiTorrent users get CAUGHT.

      • xpmule

        convoluted ?
        click download link done.
        click torrent lick done.
        lol ok guy

    • Andrew me

      My Isp many many years ago had a policy that is you used your internet connection for torrenting they would lower your speed during times of peak business , specifically when people got home and were on the internet more for the fun than work.
      So my connection was slowed but it was not only slowed for those few hours it was slowed almost all day with just a few hours here and there that i could download at the normal speeds i was getting.
      I called them and advised i used bittorent to download Linux releases every few days and that i used bittoren to download game patches and that i also used it as i was learning to code and needed to download big files, they put a flag on my service allowing me to download at full speed all of the time.
      Luckily that restriction was removed for everyone as they found a lot of there customers were going to other ISP’s , in fact they never recovered and eventually sold their customers to another ISP i dont know if it was for this reason but suspect it might have been.

  • Catch

    this is like suing or banning a store for selling blank tapes. When I was a kid, every one recorded music off the radio onto blank tapes.

    • Anonymous

      Which is why the RIAA started mandating that DJs start inserting useless banter over the lead 15 seconds or so and the last 15 seconds or so.

      • tao54nyc

        Which is why we went to making mix tapes from our own CDs and giving them away to friends. Those were the days.

        And then at the end of the 90s came computers with built-in CD burners. Apple actually encouraged filesharing back then with its “Rip. Mix. Burn.” ads.

        • Andrew me

          I remember posting a cd i had created to a girl i liked in America from the UK, she was amazed that i could make my own cd with all the tracks i wanted on it. And yes we eventually got married and have 3 wonderful kids, all because of the ability to download and burn a music collection.If it was not for the ability to share music i would not have 3 kids so yes when everyone say’s think of the kids , just think of how many would not be around if it was not for bittorent software that i downloaded from cnet.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          Good for you. A few people in the computer club I attended at the U had similarly met over the internet.

          Of course, this was in the early days when the internet was promising a borderless world. And before the various governments became scared shitless over it’s ability to propagate information they deemed “inconvenient”.

  • DarKPenguiN

    -Glad to see someone is finally taking these steps.. Bit-torrent clients should be banned and mere possession of a bit-torrent client a Federal felony.
    -Look, some people can use Bit-Torrent responsibly (I understand) but for most, they start with bit-torrent and next thing you know they are snorting Cannabis , robbing Gas Stations and using bit torrent to manufacture Meth.
    Guns DONT kill people. Bit-Torrent kills people. Gets them hooked on the killer weed and causes our society to become a ghetto infested with gangs and welfare recipients.
    -God Bless the USA and “Family Values”- We need to do this for the Children.

    • ScrewEwe2

      Next thing you know, people will be snorting Whiskey and drinking Cocaine.

      • DarKPenguiN

        If we allow this scourge known as Bit-Torrent to continue. Yes. Little kids will be snorting whiskey and drinking cocaine while robbing and pillaging strip clubs.
        -This must be stopped.

      • bobmail

        …and when you get to be old enough, you can try both.

        • jimmy671

          Stick to Trolling Bob,you’re no good as a comedian.

          Come to think of it you’re not much good at Trolling neither.

        • Cuntinmensclothing

          There’s an age at which it becomes legal to use cocaine? Who knew…

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          In bobmail’s world, who knows indeed?

          I would not advise 90-year olds reading this to snort lines in full view of the nearest police officer, joyfully exclaiming “At last! Old Enough!”.

          Just in case bobmail is wrong. He usually is, whenever he tries to discuss law, IT or logic.

          I must say his act has slipped downhill fast though. Almost as if the one doing the posting was our old friend “Baghdad Bob”-Anon.

        • ScrewEwe2

          Maybe we should start a 12 step “BobAnon” support group.

      • xpmule

        old.. google it
        dumb little brats snorting shots of vodka lol
        ..idiots
        about as bad as the morons who drink hard liquor by pouring it into their ass.. kids are fucked in the head now a days !

        • ScrewEwe2

          I’ve never tried a Vodka enema. In fact I’ve never tried an enema.

  • 77or2
  • Astra

    Right, so this fool wants to ban bit torrent…. then why not retrospectively ban the Xerox machine (coz someone copied a book once) ….and he’d
    better not forget to ban the chisel and stone slate – this could also be used to copy copyright material.
    Silly, silly man you are Alki David.

    • joexxx

      I’m this guy thinks that he is mighty enough to ban gravity if he wants to. After all, gravity doesn’t have all the money and lawyers that he has.

  • cupid_stunt

    second attempt, i don’t really know what to say, just flag me again. i can usually put something together but this time,oh, wait a minute, here it comes, oh yeah,
    banning torrent clients? wheer? never heard of something so not going to happen since, ever. if they ban linking to clients from these sites then there is a slippery slope, so i also see this as not happening. it would be like banning an ice cream cone but allowing the ice cream, messy

  • PelouzeTF

    “In July this year CBS and CNET responded that the reviews were merely
    opinions and that being held liable for inducing infringement would
    amount to a violation of their right to free speech under the First
    Amendment.”

    Bwahahahaha

    • Anyone

      of course you’d be against freedom of speech

      • PelouzeTF

        Unsurprisingly, you’re simple enough to believe that a company profiting from the distribution of download software, that uses advertisements demonstrating how to use that software to download copy-written materials illegally, only does it because they really care about your free speech.

        You’re a funny guy for sure Anyone.

        • joexxx

          Show me where they demonstrate that.

        • PelouzeTF

          Demonstrate what ?

        • joexxx

          Read your own comment that I’m replying to.

        • PelouzeTF

          The answer is in the TF article – read the article

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          I have no doubt CBS is using these ads in order to hook more people on installing their various malwares and viewing their assorted popups.

          That still doesn’t make for a good case in banning a dual use tool which happens to be one of the most efficient ones on the internet for large file transfers.

          I could make a similar advert for a https-based client and by your own argument we should then be considered “silly” if we objected when someone decided to make webpages illegal.

        • PelouzeTF

          I for one don’t believe that torrents should be banned. On the other hand (and simplified) more effective laws to protect those companies and people that invest in culture, rather than the parasites that feed from them would help to return revenues to the right entities.

          I would certainly prefer a film maker for example to benefit from their own investment, than some rogue cyberlocker owner or torrent client distributor.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          “I would certainly prefer a film maker for example to benefit from their own investment, than some rogue cyberlocker owner or torrent client distributor.”

          Since film makers appear to be investing heavily into censorship and attempts to put technological progress, not to mention civil rights, straight back in the box they came from, my sympathy for the hypothetical “film maker” is usually far less than that I have for a “rogue cyberlocker” who hasn’t as of yet attempted to saddle me, my ISP, my government or the index engine I use with hefty surcharges because people like to copy information.

        • PelouzeTF

          Technology can progress just fine without needing copy-written content to do so.

          However, owners of file lockers and the like, fully know they wouldn’t have a cat in hells chance of making fat profits if they didn’t benefit from the current loopholes that fill their shabby websites with millions of copy-written files for people to download for free (or a fee that goes directly to their pockets) at the expense of the companies and people that make the product.

          So of course they’re not going to be the ones to press for change in the online environment. Which is why the majority of freeloaders will always side with them.

          Some people think it’s censorship when rights-holders lobby for laws to protect their investments. But where actually is the censorship for example, if one day you are not able to download a dvd rip of “Django Unchained” for free rather than paying for an authorized copy or stream like you should ??

          Were peoples free speech or civil rights trampled on?

          Of course not.

        • ScrewEwe2

          PelouzerTF, Anyone’s funny? You’re funny Pelouzer. Bob’s funny too.

          adjective.

          1. Producing fun; comical, amusing.

          2. Not quite in good health or good order; slightly unwell, nauseous, deranged, disordered, etc.

          3. a. Curious, queer, odd.
          b. Underhanded, tricky, deceitful; unorthodox.

          You and Bob are 2 & 3 while 1 would best describe me.

        • PelouzeTF

          If you say so :/

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      In short, Martin Luther King should, according to you, be held liable for advocating contempt of southern-state laws?

      Gandhi is similarly laughable while advocating secession in India?

      The apartheid regime in South Africa was justified in incarcerating Mandela?

      PelouzeTF, kindly tell us where you personally draw the line for when “free speech” ends?

      Ideally it shouldn’t force americans to view the founding fathers as tax-evading lowlife scum.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Henry-Baker/1038331273 Henry Baker

    I hate these scum-sucking, grossly overpaid Hollywood celebrity maggots and so-called “artists.”

    I grab all their crap I can and pass it out among my friends, but I seldom use it myself simply because it’s all GARBAGE!

  • guess

    How much more shit can they “claim” that companies make so much money distributing a file less than 5mb. Bullshit.

    The artists claimed that CNET profits heavily from distributing file-sharing software via Download.com,

  • Anonymous

    Download.com is so 1997

  • MenkFunk

    Looks like those privacy groups got a LOT of spare time on their hands!

    Im-Anon.tk

  • frozar

    O lawdy. What will any of us do if torrent programs are blocked on fucking Download.com?

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      It’s called “setting a precedent”.

      If you can ban a dual-use tool because the advert is showing how to commit an unlawful act you are one step closer to having it banned because some people USE it for unlawful acts.

      Won’t affect piracy and won’t be possible to enforce, but the US software sector will be in dire straights as the cost of pushing updates to customers will skyrocket without the p2p protocol.

  • joexxx

    Artists are called artists because they like to create art and that is all they do. Any artist that sues a website for providing software is NOT an artist. They’re a lawyer, a scammer, something else, but not an artist.

    >For example, a review of MP3Rocket included a screenshot of pirated >songs from Madonna, Lady Gaga, Alicia Keys, Usher, Rihanna and >Eminem.

    How can you have a screenshot of a song?

  • zenkmenk

    Sounds like a pretty solid plan to me dude. Wow

    Im-Anon.tk

  • JordanKratz

    I have such a big hate going for the MAFIAA.Why did that shooter have to kill all those kids ? Psychos would do us a favor going after people like Alki “I Drink Rotgut” David.

  • magn

    i can´t belive we are still allowed to use cars. i could kill somebody with it.

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