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IP-Address Is Not a Person, BitTorrent Case Judge Says

A possible landmark ruling in one of the mass-BitTorrent lawsuits in the U.S. may spell the end of the “pay-up-or-else-schemes” that have targeted over 100,000 Internet users in the last year. District Court Judge Harold Baker has denied a copyright holder the right to subpoena the ISPs of alleged copyright infringers, because an IP-address does not equal a person.

In the last year various copyright holders have sued well over 100,000 alleged file-sharers in the United States alone. The purpose of these lawsuits is to obtain the personal details of the alleged infringers, and use this information to negotiate a settlement offer ranging from a few hundred to a few thousand dollars.

Lawyers, the public and consumer advocacy groups have compared these practices to extortion, but nonetheless new cases are still being filed every month. This week, however, an interesting ruling was handed down by District Court Judge Harold Baker that, if adopted by other judges, may become a major roadblock for similar mass-lawsuits.

In the case VPR Internationale v. Does 1-1017, the judge denied the Canadian adult film company access to subpoena ISPs for the personal information connected to the IP-addresses of their subscribers. The reason? IP-addresses do not equal persons, and especially in ‘adult entertainment’ cases this could obstruct a ‘fair’ legal process.

Among other things Judge Baker cited a recent child porn case where the U.S. authorities raided the wrong people, because the real offenders were piggybacking on their Wi-Fi connections. Using this example, the judge claims that several of the defendants in VPR’s case may have nothing to do with the alleged offense either.

“The infringer might be the subscriber, someone in the subscriber’s household, a visitor with her laptop, a neighbor, or someone parked on the street at any given moment,” Judge Baker writes.

Although the above logic applies to all BitTorrent lawsuits that are currently ongoing, the matter becomes especially delicate when the alleged offense is sharing rather explicit adult titles.

“Orin Kerr, a professor at George Washington University Law School, noted that whether you’re guilty or not, you look like a suspect. Could expedited discovery be used to wrest quick settlements, even from people who have done nothing wrong?” Judge Baker writes.

Judge Baker further notes that “the embarrassment of public exposure might be too great, the legal system too daunting and expensive, for some to ask whether the plaintiff VPR has competent evidence to prove its case.”

Baker concludes by saying that his Court is not supporting a “fishing expedition” for subscribers’ details if there is no evidence that it has jurisdiction over the defendants.

Although the ruling is definitely a setback for the copyright holders in mass-BitTorrent lawsuits, it has yet to be seen whether other judges will reach the same conclusion in future cases. If that happens, the end of this type of lawsuit in the U.S. may be near.

Texas lawyer Robert Cashman, who represents several defendants in similar lawsuits, agrees that the ruling can be a potential game changer.

“We may have just seen the order that may end all future John Doe lawsuits,” he commented in a response.

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  • Mr Afghanistan

    Anti Piracy Companies PAWNED.

    Go do your homework. This scam won’t bring you $ anymore. njoy suckers !!!!!

    • http://documents.envisional.com/docs/Envisional-Internet_Usage-Jan2011.pdf Caractacus

      These aren’t anti piracy companies. These are profit-making lawyer scum. They don’t WANT ppl to stop sharing. They want them to carry on so they can sue and sue and rake up their little penny pinching settlements.

  • Sketch

    Oh hell yeah……..finally a judge with half a brain.

    • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

      Agreed, but I still worry about what the other half might be up to :(

      These guys are in place to protect property rights and this judgment may appear too good to be true.

      So although I’m reluctant to celebrate, I think we all deserve this break. Of course, a decent showing of the 2-fingered salute to these bully-boy MAFIAA extortionists who simply want to cling on to an outdated business model that’s already dead – just like their brain- wont go amiss.

      OK, case closed.
      Next …

    • Whatever

      Either that (and unbuyable) or he recognized his own IP from that list :-)

    • http://crashsuit.blogspot.com crashsuit

      You guys, listen, this could mean big trouble.

      We might all owe Judge Harold Baker free beers for life.

      • Scary Devil Monastery

        So if one person out of every ten thousand who cares about civil rights and the judicial process buys the judge a beer the poor man dies of liver failure.

        Yes, you’re right, that IS big trouble.

      • Scary Devil Monastery

        So if one person out of every ten thousand who cares about civil rights and the judicial process buys the judge a beer the poor man dies of liver failure.

        Yes, you’re right, that IS big trouble.

      • Weasel_in_the_dark

        I could handle that =]

  • Flyinglotus

    Here in Germany, there has been the same question on court. When I remember right, the law now says, that everyone is RESPONSIBLE for his internet access (respectively IP address).
    There has been court decisions where the people must provide evidence, that they were doing the best possible protection for their access (e.g. no open W-LAN, etc). I assume, that the same will happen in the U.S. now.

    • ed

      so hacking should be legal? ur lack of security its ur fault for getting hacked :) lets all start penetrating GOV servers there responsibility to keep there servers safe… blahj

      • Marcus

        What the hell are you babbling on about.
        This decision doesn’t change any laws it just means that they need more than an IP address to go after an individual as any number of people could have access to a specific connection.

        • ndmushroom

          It seems you didn’t actually read the Flyinglotus post ed was replying to.

      • Zero

        Exactly. even the most secure of connections can be hacked and then potentially someone could be setup.

        lives could be ruined by pranksters with too much time or simply out of revenge.

        how the hell is everyone suppose to suddenly become Tech Savy. Its unrealistic.

    • Sc1t4le

      In Germany, it is a legal requirement to have a secure WiFi connection and router. Every router sold has to come with a default password that changes on set up.

      Basically defendants cannot use Person ? IP

      • Scary Devil Monastery

        Which is a flaw in German law then. The average person doesn’t have the skills to either set up or maintain a secure network. The out-of-the-box security might as well be pipe dreams in nine cases out of ten.

        • Ninja

          My parents would probably set a password simple enough to be broken using brute force attacks. And they’d never configure further features from the said router. The German law has some serious flaw if it makes the owner responsible for the security of his/her connection. The average Joe cannot be held responsible for keeping his connection secure, neither the router manufacturers. New security exploits are being discovered all the time.

        • Ninja

          My parents would probably set a password simple enough to be broken using brute force attacks. And they’d never configure further features from the said router. The German law has some serious flaw if it makes the owner responsible for the security of his/her connection. The average Joe cannot be held responsible for keeping his connection secure, neither the router manufacturers. New security exploits are being discovered all the time.

        • Anonymous

          Yes it is a very stupid law. The average user lacks even basic knowledge about how their computer works while the skiddies have limited technical knowledge but are task focused. Then the hackers are highly skilled and can easily walk through hundreds or thousands of computer systems.

          One example is take a look at all the security updates that Microsoft does to patch hundreds of security faults that has nothing to do with user passwords. I could name a program that can remotely scan a computer for every single one of those security holes. If one is found then a second program can be used to exploit that hole to gain access to the computer. So any person not keeping their patches up-to-date can be easily caught out. That even applies returning from a 2 week holiday and for a hacker or virus to exploit your computer within a few minutes of power on.

          Once a hacker has access one common event is to install an anonymous proxy server as a hidden task so the hacker can bounce his/her connections off of their computer. Hackers usually don’t then use this proxy for BT use but other people scanning for open proxy ports can.

          If you blame the computer user then you may as well blame Microsoft for releasing insecure software. This German law is simply fascist.

        • http://crashsuit.blogspot.com crashsuit

          Sort of like saying it’s your fault if someone picks your lock and steals your stuff.

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          Not quite that bad. More like you are to blame if unauthorized access to your house or car can be accomplished without the use of cutting torches, industrial lasers or shaped charges.

          Which admittedly is quite bad enough. You can open most peoples doors or windows with the help of simple tools in minutes and pick nearly any lock with a bump key.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Dilly/1624894683 Don Dilly

        ‘Basically defendants cannot use Person ? IP’

        As Judge Birss highlighted in the ACS:Law case where ACSlaw tried to hold the account holder liable. Even if the WIFI is secure and only those authorised by the account holder are able to use the connection, equating authorisation to use the connection does not equate to authorisation to infringe.

        • Anonymous

          Yes but the law in the United States can’t make use of rulings in the United Kingdom (or correctly England). At best they can be a guide but the US court system do need to make decisions on their own.

          You may care to note that Judge Baker saying “fishing expedition” is using a term much used before in these English cases.

        • Nike420

          This is a US Court Decision. Who cares what UK rulings have to say on the matter?

        • Ah-ha-ha-ha

          Me for one.
          All media companies for two.
          Other people in the UK, for another 60 million.

        • Anonymous

          Considering that this speculative invoicing scam has now been 95% shutdown in the UK thanks to Judge Birss then I am sure many thousands of innocent (and guilty) people will be thankful.

          This has also shot the Digital Economy Act/Bill in the heart and where they should give up the three strikes part.

          So the UK public has achieved large success and it would take a brave lawyer indeed to try this again in an English court. Andrew Crossley can provide a good reason why when he will be lucky if he is not disbarred.

          The USA has yet to get to this same point where the copyright side abandon the speculative invoicing scheme. I don’t think it will take much longer before things come crashing down when clearly Judge Baker understands the issues involved.

          I just think they need to make these bad lawyers more directly responsible and make them pay for their law violations when some personal pain is the number one reason to have them knock it off.

        • Ah-ha-ha-ha

          How does the ACS:Law ruling relate to the three strikes law we have now?

          If an IP address doesn’t equate to a specific user and clearly police raids aren’t going to happen over an alleged pirated copy of say, Tron Legacy (unless of course its a raid on the writers just to punish them for such a piss poor plot), then no proof can be ascertained.

          How then can an ISP send out a warning letter to a specific account holder and then ban them, all based on “data gathering” from a media company? Who doesn’t have wifi now? Who can definitively say their wifi or computer is secure?

          The three strikes ruling will surely hit these snags sooner or later.
          Its as Scary Devil Monastery (see below) says, its like being tried for crimes committed with your stolen car. Ridiculous and against everything the legal system should stand for.

          Only proof beyond reasonable doubt can result in legitimate punishment. Unconvicted murder suspects have been set free with better proof against them that some of these copyright cases.

      • Whatever

        That means that all Nintendo DS (lite) devices are illegal in Germany as they all use WEP for security.

        Additionally anyone having a Nintendo DS will not be allowed to actually use the communication capabilities over the internet. It is impossible because there is now way to do it without lowering security to the Nintendo DS level. (Yes, DSi has WPA)

        And people who have older hardware and no money to replace it need to shutdown their devices because of this law. If in future there are more secure devices everyone needs to buy new hardware.

        There are probably a lot more implied consequences if this is actually a law in Germany.

      • Anonymous

        Problem is there is no secure wifi system they have all been broken.

      • http://www.spotsift.com Peter Chang

        What about coffee shops with wifi?

      • Zizy

        Afaik the law goes that each router needs a password and some form of security, therefore not open to everybody. So, if anyone can go on your wireless router without any hacking, you are responsible. If he hacked your security (regardless what it is), this is not your problem.
        It ends here I think, so even WEP should be just fine to satisfy the requirements, even tho one hacks it instantly. I hope I remembered it ok and that I am not misleading you all.

      • Gim

        ANY, ANY wireless network can be cracked in few seconds, just by listening for an “authorised” laptop speaking with the router, and even for MAC addresses there are software to emulate.

        At my job, after connecting to wireless network you have to bass extra authentifications tor other two servers, one being a proxy who alow you toreally access the network / internet. Even so you do not have a 100% secure network using wireless, as I already said there are software to listen and extract any authentication required to access unlimited access to that network.

        After my knowledge there are no security over wireless, and I presume it wont be for ever.
        As the first thing a computer can do is to copy a file to a new one, same as or converting it…

        I do advise all my frends, colleagues and clients to use only cable and to disable wireless facility of their’s routers.

        Did they listen to me? sometimes yes, but for most is a problem to have a home with lots or jacks for network in every spot you could like to work with a laptop…

        Only if you can prouve that at a certain IP address there is no wireless available, only then you can require that owner provide “security”, but even then here are ways to hack a cable and the hacker will be even more protected, including by law knowing whay I just presented…

    • Scary Devil Monastery

      That’s interesting given that 99% of the ordinary people with little or no technical skills can’t secure their routers properly. In my experience the average person chooses a password with extremely low entropy rendering even WPA2 protocols completely useless.

      In summary, making people responsible for securing their own networks is tantamount to making the owner of a car responsible for any crime a carjacker commits with it unless he could demonstrate his carkeys were properly protected in a vault at all times.

      • Ninja

        Keys are not needed to start the engines ;)

        • Blah

          That was the point…

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          …and thank you for illustrating the core of the argument. :)

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          …and thank you for illustrating the core of the argument. :)

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          …and thank you for illustrating the core of the argument. :)

      • Ninja

        Keys are not needed to start the engines ;)

      • Ah-ha-ha-ha

        I agree.

        “That’s interesting given that 99% of the ordinary people with little or no technical skills can’t secure their routers properly”

        More than anything I don’t *want* to have to spend an entire day messing around securing a piece of hardware sent to me by my own ISP. If they want to send out unsecured hardware to me, then try and accuse me of crimes which can be committed over it, then that’s their issue.

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          Not to mention if you install a more reliable/easily secured firmware on the router they send you, their support ends.

          I once had problems with getting my ISP to provide me with an IP adress, called tech support, and with growing amazement and alarm found myself walked through the steps required to reconfigure the router from WPA2 to WEP.

          Now given that i have a 50-100 Mbit connection i might as well just leave the network open, acept the occasional freeloader, and invest time securing my firewalls rather than spending days teaching my ISP how to run their end of the business…

        • Not that accommodating

          At some point you ask for a supervisor, and kindly explain to the “support technician” that you need WPA because WEP is about as secure as keeping dry ice in a colander and you need to speak with someone who knows the technology rather than the script.

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          Well, in the end i just reset the router to my own preferred specs and instead have to put up with rebooting it once or twice a day in order to coax an ip addy from the other side of the line. So I’m relatively good. Though i wouldn’t be caught dead on that network without end-to-end encryption through a VPN for the most part.

          It did underscore my heartfelt belief that John Q Public never will have anything resembling basic personal security though.

        • Anonymous

          or just use mac filtering….and dont broadcast your sid.. ( not ideal , obfuscation rather than encryption)

          Then only determined hacks/scripts will use your connection…..
          Your average user looking for free wifi… wouldnt know how to find and spoof your mac address.

        • 88 fingers

          “(far too much hassle for 99.9% of people)”

          That leaves about 2.5 or 3 million people.

        • Whatever

          MAC addresses can be changed in an instant on almost every modern network card.

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          Well, in the end i ignored the “tech” and reset my router to my own standards. Occasionally i reboot to coax an ip addy out of it, is all.

          Obfuscation of sid and mac adress only go so far and to be honest, any script kid with a copy of backtrack can identify and crack most kinds of WEP in five minutes or less by running one simple script. Broadcast sid or no. Sniff a few packets and you end up with the mac adress as well. Commence spoofing. Which amounts to leaving your laptop running while you make yourself another cup of tea.

          The main problem isn’t that however. People who have a basic understanding of technology can secure themselves past the point of “worth the effort” relatively easily. The problem mainly consists of your aforementioned 99.99% of the population who cheerfully run the “out-of-the-box” WPA solution and then set a password on it which gets brute forced by a dictionary attack in minutes – because hey, they needed to allow access for their visiting grandmother or kids and needed something easy to remember….

        • Gim

          MAC filtering, a god step, but there are software to “emulate” it. Do not broadcast your SSID, other good step, but it is supased by the “listening” software who crack any protocol and extra authentication to connect to a wifi network.

          But YES, at this point you can say “I do have a good security”, just remember it is not absolute.

          Using “certificates” installed on PCs, is other step forward, more difficult to cop with, but as any software after a number of “listening” you can reconstitute its “behavior”…

    • Abc

      If some sucker downloads a malware riddled Hanna Montana screen saver and their computer is then used to download kiddie porn behind their back; it is the sucker who is off to court and not the actual offender?

      That makes about as much sense as 1 ip address = 1 person.

    • Guest My sssssA

      Hell no, I can do whatever I want with my wireless router.

    • Ugly American

      “Here in Germany, there has been the same question on court. When I remember right, the law now says, that everyone is RESPONSIBLE for his internet access (respectively IP address).”

      I’m not surprised – Germany has gone completely insane. Just out of curiosity, are you Germans speaking out against this nonsense? I remember what happened the last time you lads remained silent…

      • Albaniez the hacker

        Germans have lots of money to burn on porn.

      • Scary Devil Monastery

        Actually Germany is one of the few countries who do fight back against the more lunatic suggestions to come out of the EU – and I’m guessing it won’t take too long until this law drops as well.

        The data retention directive, when implemented in Germany, for instance, was charged as a breach of constitutional right to the German constitutional court by the German minister of justice herself, with 34000 signatures.
        After which the constitutional court tore the data retention directive more or less to shreds and mandated all gathered data be scrapped, effective immediately.

        This law has slipped under the radar so far.

      • https://thepiratebay.org/user/man-o-tor/ manOtor

        I believe there is a little misunderstanding here:
        The German industry is bound by law to implement a certain security standard to the routers they sell – the buyer is bound to keep this standard. To be on the safe side, one only has to take a screen shot of your settings when you first install the router, to proof all security standards were kept.
        The routers also keep a log – if you’d really get hacked it would at least show some inconsistencies.
        So you are not that easily busted and no judge expects the average user to be a computer genius ;).

    • RIAAtarded

      Securing your wifi makes no difference, WEP and WPA can both be cracked rather easily then what? Most routers don’t have the kind of logging needed or the correct response to de-authentication attempts that allow this not to happen. What is needed, corporate level equipment and monitoring to catch this and who is going to do that? or has the expertise? It sucks your country has gone this route even with those required measures in place it is no guarantee your secure. Worse yet the hardware doesn’t retain the info needed to prove your innocences either. Sadly the only thing this law does is make the consumer responsible for securing something they can’t.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/jordan.kratz Jordan Kratz

    when you break the law ther police do an iunvestigation and then you get busted.
    SIMPLE !!!
    IP Addy does not mean it is you.do your homework MAFIAA assholes

  • Anonymous

    Nice to see the Kangaroo Courts finally getting something right lol.

    http://www.real-privacy.es.tc

  • getoffayaweebassa

    it’s what is ON your own personal computer that counts, not how it got there in the first place. Virtually all connections at some time or another have handled what is termed illegal packets, all these cases should be thrown out, it is only because some gullible twits have paid up without questioning the fine that we have got to this stage. The word needs to be spread that you do not have to pay a demand(even if it is for porn and you are too embarrassed to argue it),when it drops on the mat. question it, delay things for years, use the law, against the law, play them at their own game, and if you have to pay up in the end, make sure the scum have waited until the last possible moment before handing over the cash, and spit on it and wipe your arse with it beforehand. shit bags

  • Grok

    It’s about damn time that we got a good ruling on this subject. Finally there’s a legal decision that actually makes legal sense. I guess the MAFIAA didn’t think it would be necessary to pay off this judge.

    • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

      They likely promised him a decent retirement pension, but the financial collapse and poor recovery means the promise amounts to a hill of beans.

      And what judge wants to fart THAT loudly in retirement?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Dilly/1624894683 Don Dilly

    This is the same conclusion Judge Birss came to in the ACS:Law case.

    He noted the points made on the flaws and errors that can icorrectly identify an account holder and went straight for the jugular giving the killer blow that an IP address does not equate to a person.

    It is that fundamental flaw in the media company’s evidence that had them pushing for 3 strikes and the reversal of the burden of proof along with holding the account holder liable no matter what.

    Im not sure what is most objectionable, the fact they bribed (Lobied) the USgov into trying to implement this through ACTA Or that fact that even after the US gov were faced with the fact such measures were unconstitional in their own country and quite rightly, the World Trade Organisation (WTO) refused to ratify ACTA, the USgov tried removing copyright enforcement from the WTO remit and then went around bullying each country in turn, to impose a law that they know ultimately wont float in their own country.

  • hotdog

    “FINALLY!!”, A judge with common sense we need more :D

  • FBI

    FBI!! Hands up dicks down,NERDS!!

    • Anonymous

      Stfu FBI, you got no jurisdiction here or anywhere

  • ndmushroom

    Good decision, but this is a district court and, while I’m not familiar with the US legal system, I’m pretty sure that there are higher courts where VPR can take the case, where the judge will probably be more “aware of the issues surrounding copyright” (in other words, employed at one time or another by the copyright industry. Still, any remaining sign of sanity is always a good thing. :-)

    • Anonymous

      They still take the lower courts ruling in account if they apeal to a higher court. Its not a magical reset button if the higher court takes the case.

  • ndmushroom

    Good decision, but this is a district court and, while I’m not familiar with the US legal system, I’m pretty sure that there are higher courts where VPR can take the case, where the judge will probably be more “aware of the issues surrounding copyright” (in other words, employed at one time or another by the copyright industry. Still, any remaining sign of sanity is always a good thing. :-)

  • Anonymous

    I should be happy about this, but all I can think is “Um….Thank you Captain Obvious?”

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  • Grumpygit

    It just gives them more ammo for their lobbying……- even the judges have turned against us…..we can’t protect our rights without law changes >.<

    You know it's gonna happen.

    • Anonymous

      Don’t depress us on a happy day!

      We well know what they are capable of in their corruption of government but that does not mean we will make it easy for them.

  • Billy3

    Thank you, we do have someone with intelligence in our justice system.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vAsLneI734

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    dyanmic ip address are best interms of bittorrent
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  • Neotoasty

    Then another judge is gonna come around and say “IP Addresses is everything you need to know about a person! THIS WILL CONTINUE!” and come to finding out another pawn for the corps.

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  • in.cog.nito

    I am impressed that a judge is doing their job and has a good grasp on how technology works. Someone buy this guy a beer.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/PCR.Tech.SC Tim Holmes

    Yeah, I’ve been paying attention to the Cynavia group. Because if everyone starts using their technology and they improve it (and this statement may offend people, sry if it does) downloading and playing movies like (SWIM <—acronym) does these days will be a lot harder playing the content than it is now. Alot of companies are looking towards using it and is the standard in all built bluray players now and will be worser if cd/dvd drives are forced to take the standard next. Just my opinion. Reason I'm sharing is because I believe you won't hear of cases like this if companies switch because if you can't play the file then companies won't care if you share the video in the future. Hope this makes sense and I explained right. It's been a long day.

    • albaniez the hacker

      Ha ha ha ha…..every code you write, every hardware you hard wire, CAN AND WILL BE HACKED!

    • Scary Devil Monastery

      It’ll go the same way CSS went. It takes exactly one person with an idea to write new firmware in order to bring content to open-source systems and we end up with yet another “DVDJon”.
      As long as blueray-owners actually own their drives, they will play what they like on them. This has been proven one too many times for me to suddenly believing in the “magical DRM” to enter the stage and save the day of the copywrong industry.

      What you will end up with is simple – yet another case of obstructive DRM becoming outcompeted by open source which works better and which won’t try telling your system what it can or cannot do.

    • Jmorse43508

      Every form of DRM that the MAFIAA has put on their content has been broken. This will be no different.

      There is no such thing as unbreakable DRM. About the only way that the MAFIAA can prevent people from using their content is not to release it. And quite frankly, with the crap coming out of the music industry and Hollywood these days, the world would be a better place without them.

      • Scary Devil Monastery

        “There is no such thing as unbreakable DRM.”

        Not quite true. There are more unbreakable encryption algorhitms out there than you can conveniently shake a stick at.
        It’s just that no lock, no matter how complex, will be secure as long as you’ve handed the lock itself to the person you want to protect it from to pick or reverse-engineer at his leisure.

        In short, DRM works very well as long as the protected media cannot be played back on a device where you have administrative rights, and becomes completely useless when it does. For DRM to work then all you have to do is outlaw the personal computer.

        • John Casey

          This isnt entirely true, every encryption can be broken, its just how determined people are to break it, because there will always ALWAYS be some form of pattern to how the encryption works.

      • Scary Devil Monastery

        “There is no such thing as unbreakable DRM.”

        Not quite true. There are more unbreakable encryption algorhitms out there than you can conveniently shake a stick at.
        It’s just that no lock, no matter how complex, will be secure as long as you’ve handed the lock itself to the person you want to protect it from to pick or reverse-engineer at his leisure.

        In short, DRM works very well as long as the protected media cannot be played back on a device where you have administrative rights, and becomes completely useless when it does. For DRM to work then all you have to do is outlaw the personal computer.

    • Megalivevil

      Reverse engineer blu ray playa, find code, poke .

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  • scared noob

    So what does this mean for the Corbin Fisher lawsuits?

    • Anonymous

      Wait and find out.

      I recall that the US court system did rule prior that an IP address is not proof of copyright infringement before our one problem judge ruled it was too early in the discovery process to make use of that ruling.

      This now seems like a case of a judge fighting back ruling that an IP address is not proof of who done it.

      Judge Wars… To be continued.

    • Guest

      They filed three new suits in two states yesterday (FL and CO), so I guess they still think they’ll get somewhere.

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  • Infused

    wifi is piss easy to break.

    • Larken1

      NOt if it is eap-tls radius

  • Bravo

    Seems like judges are starting to learn the basics of information technology and how it works. At least a rough understanding of it. Good.

    Sometimes I think lawyers try to confuse judges with paper thin evidence, but this judge knew better than to believe it.

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  • Nobody

    “Everyone here is making jokes about IP addresses not being persons and how silly/absurd the whole court process must be but I need to point out that if you read the order denying discovery attached to the article linked to, you will see that the court never “rules” that an “IP address is not a person” it is a leap that the writer of the article makes in attempting to surmise the court order.

    The issue is laid out as follows: A porn company is suing over a thousand John Does. It is not suing the ISP and admits that the ISP cannot be a defendant. A federal rule of civil procedure prohibits discovery before a certain required meeting between the parties. Because the ISP is not a party (but has the IP addresses and could provide customer information) it makes it impossible to have this meeting and thus impossible to conduct discovery absent an order from the court compelling discovery.

    The court then goes on to explain why it will not issue such an order. The two main reasons are that 1. The plaintiffs have not shown and cannot show that any of the IP addresses they have are copyright infringers (and indeed it is likely that a lot of them are not they note) and 2. Although Doe defendants could move to quash the subpoena compelling the ISP to turn over customer data, this would provide an unequal and probably unjust impetus at settling the case between plaintiff and Doe defendants.

    The court then ends the order noting that until a person is served, it lacks personal jurisdiction over the matter.

    I know everyone on Reddit is apt to make jokes for the lulz, but in reality the court issued a very boring order over mundane procedural issues and did not rule “an IP address is not a person”.”

    • Abuse

      The other entertaining portion of this is some courts have founds that the Does who have their information targeted, have no standing in the case either.

      So we have this awesome black hole happening.

      The ISP is being compelled to turn over records about the Does, and are not a party to the case. The Does who pay for the service and are supposed to be named, are not a party to the case. And the “lawyers” never file individual cases, but instead settle for sending threatening letters and phone calls trying to terrorize someone into paying them for allegations that have never been proven.

      Some courts bring in a local lawyer to “represent” the Does, and they give as much “representation” as free buys in this country.

      There is an automatic presumption of guilt made by the court, based on records provided by a company that makes money by providing the information and not held to any accountable level of accuracy.

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  • Albaniez the hacker

    Come sue in Africa…you will get ZILCH, NADDA! Stupid corporate lawyer scum!

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  • 7th Guest

    People actually download porn??? haven’t they ever heard of redtube and fleshbot? Sheesh… Get a subscription to cinimax on cable and call it a day. Sickos…

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    The sad part is that you’re such a puritan you think Cinemax is porn. 

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