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Leaked Oscar Screeners are BitTorrent Smash Hits

In a just a few days time the 2013 Oscar nominees will be announced and as usual there are plenty of great movies in the running. One of them, Quentin Tarantino’s Django Unchained, is currently getting a huge thumbs up from the Internet. Over the weekend a perfect review copy leaked online and in just 24 hours racked up 500,000 downloads. The Hobbit, currently the most popular Oscars leak, has more than 2 million downloads to date with a week’s head start over Tarantino’s western.

With the Academy Awards just weeks away, January is an exciting time for movie lovers around the world. In the run up to “Oscar Sunday” on February 24, this Thursday the nominees will be announced following the deliberations of 5,700 Academy members.

Some of those voters will have made their assessments from a trip to the theater but some highly privileged individuals will have received a piece of cinematic gold from the studios – access to pre-release copies of all the top movies “for their consideration.”

The industry has worked very hard indeed to keep movies from leaking onto the Internet so these early copies are handed out amid tight security. The availability of a dreadful ‘camcordered’ copy online is annoying enough but a perfect digital copy is a nightmare for the studios. To this end, while physical DVD copies still appear to be issued, these days so-called “screeners” are also distributed to Academy members digitally.

However, it appears to very make little difference what kind of security measures are put in place, movies still leak online. As 2012 entered its final months the tell-tale signs that screeners were being sent out became obvious online after they became available on BitTorrent tagged “DVDSCR”.

Billy Bob Thornton’s Jayne Mansfield’s Car appeared online in October 2012 followed by thrillers ‘Citadel‘ and ‘The Sweeney‘ in November.

With Christmas round the corner, December certainly delivered the treats. The Perks of Being a Wallflower starring Emma Watson, Denzel Washington’s Flight, Lincoln from veteran Steven Spielberg, and James Bond’s latest outing Skyfall all found their way onto the web from screener copies.

And in January the bonanza continued. The first new leak of the year, Peter Jackson’s The Hobbit, has proven a massive hit with file-sharers. According to statistics gathered by TorrentFreak the fantasy movie has been downloaded at least 2 million times since it appeared on the first of the month.

Just three days later and the Osama Bin Laden hunt movie Zero Dark Thirty was debuting online, joined on the same day by a copy of Anthony Hopkins’ Hitchcock.

This weekend was particularly busy as The Sessions made its appearance along with West of Memphis, Celeste & Jesse Forever, Anna Karenina and Hyde Park on Hudson.

djangoBut there was also a very big leak, one that millions of people have been waiting for and could turn out to be the biggest so far this Oscar season. Django Unchained, the latest movie from much-loved writer/director Quentin Tarantino, appeared online Saturday and quickly caught fire.

The western, which stars Jamie Foxx, Christoph Waltz and Leonardo DiCaprio, became an immediate smash-hit on BitTorrent. Statistics gathered Sunday by TorrentFreak show that the movie was downloaded at least 500,000 times in its first 24 hours online.

And, as an interesting footnote, people wanting to blame these stats on The Pirate Bay will be disappointed. Although it is back online now, the world’s most famous torrent site was offline all day yesterday and played no part in proceedings.

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  • http://twitter.com/CrAppl_dot_com St1ve Joebs

    Hey Hollywood,
    Plug your holes
    :p

    • guess who

      they already tried that with sticking their heads up thier arses.

      • http://twitter.com/CrAppl_dot_com St1ve Joebs

        It’s Hollywood, many more holes to plug / not enough holes plugged. ;)

    • As456dd

      Is it true

    • 123fakest

      no ffs dont plug em! let them screeners flow!

    • Anon1

      D8994D0FA66A9751A95943A53113FCD5D3191AEC

      • Anon2

        c80b74e9a2c0fde5ceadb5895f5d5bdb

        • Dawwg

          Nah, I definitely prefer d8994d0fa … but gotta love the numbers :)

  • B1B2B3B5B6B9B12=BEER

    “And, as an interesting footnote, people wanting to blame these stats on The Pirate Bay will be disappointed.” TPB is not being hunted by MAFIAA because they allow people to share stuff for free. But because they’ve made filesharing a political act promoting an alternative view of society. And sedition can never be tolerated by any government. It’s ok to break the law (and take the penalty once caught), but you cannot question the law. Especially laws protecting a business raking in billions of $ every year …

  • Parrot Pirate

    Hey Hollywood,
    Plug your holes
    :p

  • Skibbler

    When are the studios going to start releasing full HD Blu Ray screeners to these ‘highly privileged individuals?’

    I look forward to the day when BRSCRs dominate the scene!

  • Anonymous

    and as per usual, it’s the ‘dirty pirates’ that have caused this! it’s nothing to do with the studios themselves making the scrs available on purpose, is it? it’s nothing to do with anyone, actor, actress or even member of the crew, who has been given the scr for viewing releasing it, is it? as long as the studios can go to the stupid politicians that cant see how they have been and still are being conned by them and say ‘we need stronger laws against downloading, against copyright infringement against the internet’ any release method will be used and anyone else can take the blame!

  • http://gear-mentation.myopenid.com/ Gear Mentation

    Not sure I want to even watch more than two or three of those… I’m not too sure why the movie format is so prevalent. TV is just as good or better and has the ability to carry a story to much more depth. I get much more out of TV series which are well done, like Being Erica or Game of Thrones or whatever than out of movies. Tolkien’s world would make a wonderful setting for a series.

    • guess who

      true, but i don’t see any tv station having the money to film it, it is just to big a project. i think we’ve been very luck game of thrones has been made, i imagine the bigget reason is it costs bugger all for sets when filming in old ruins in ireland.

    • Mint Gentrification

      LOTR was a series… 3 films! ;)

    • Idjwsytf

      That’s your opinion. I’m actually not a TV guy, and I don’t like spending too much time in front of it. I enjoy a lot more watching a great movie that lasts about two hours, bringing me to the edge of my seat the whole time, than watch a series for several hours. I rarely finish any series I watch because after a few days I get bored of the storyline.

      • 7th_Guest

        On the other hand, more polished and nuanced productions like the BBC’s Sherlock have very short seasons where each episode is 90 minutes long, so the runtime-based argument is pretty much shot down there as the main differentiator between TV productions and feature films. Considering ppl have no problem parking their asses in front of their home PCs or big living room TVs for up to ~90mins at a time to enjoy anything, TV ep or film, why even make your viewing decision a matter of runtime over much more telling criteria such as production values, actors, novelty of genre/story or any other similarly significant aspect? Artificially placed blinders, if you ask me, for anyone trying to rationalize why one audiovisual medium’s works should in general be considered better than another’s (not saying you specifically put that generalization forth, but I think it still it bears addressing). Quality is quality, and since sharing and promoting good culture is what Pirates tend to do best, my suggestion to anyone would be to seek out TV and movie tips from Pirates and start enjoying some good content as per their recommendations :).

  • Who

    “The Hobbit, currently the most popular Oscars leak, has more than 2 million downloads to date”

    and also has record breaking opening night profits for a 3D only showing.

    so HOW is P2P hurting them again?

    • Guest

      It’s not 3D only.

      • Who

        on opening night it was. next day it was in 2d.

        • Guest

          FUCK 3D

        • Who

          @Guest: no FUCK YOU LOL

        • H H

          3D gives me a headache

        • Guest321

          3D sucks. Movie watching should be an enjoyable experience but it isn’t when you have to come out with a nasty headache everytime.

        • ScrewEwe2

          Guest321 and H H, being nearly blind in one eye, 3D doesn’t work for me, and I never thought it was that great when both eye’s were working. Kind of like stereo not working out if you’re deaf in one ear. Shit does start wearing out as the years go by. Too many years of too many Beers standing by Marshal Amps getting into live Metal music.

    • AgathaPenis

      I’m going to see it tomorrow with a bunch of mates – 3d HFR the whole bag and paying through the nose for the pleasure.

      If it’s any good I’ll probably download a copy when I get home, and then, in 4 years time, buy the extended box-set.

      Don’t hate me hollywood.

      • Who

        ya problem is I have read that its home release is not till dec of this year /cry

  • No

    Still waiting for dvdscrs of THE MASTER and SILVER LININGS PLAYBOOK to leak. Get with it, people!

  • ForestSilverwood

    The best course of action for the studios now is to just go ahead and release the digital versions online now.

    • Anon

      Disney just did that with “Wreck-It Ralph”, the first time ever they’ve released a digital version online before bluray or DVD. The entire industry is watching. If the early online release yields a better roi, expect this to be come a norm. That would be great because the return of revenue with a margin of profit will fund the next one.

      But if pirates get it and distribute it and typical stats for similar past Disney movies not prereleased online are not at least reasonably met, indicating piracy eats into bluray and dvd sales, expect another round of legislation and ever higher punishments.

      The American Congress likes the Disney boys. ;-)
      Pirates are compelling these new regulations. And don’t kid yourself you are not. lol

      • BS

        Did Disney release it to The Pirate Bay? If not then your post is BULL SHIT.

        • Anon

          It cost $165 million to make Wreck-It Ralph. Unless you can figure out a way for the Pirate Bay to return all of that investment plus a profit to their shareholders who risked that money out of pocket in the first place to compel another film, then it is actually your post that is bull shit.
          Isn’t it.

        • Who

          @Anon: Box Office “Wreck-It Ralph”
          Budget: $165,000,000 (estimated)
          Opening Weekend:
          $49,038,712 (USA) (4 November 2012) (3752 Screens)
          Gross: $171,926,000 (USA) (23 December 2012)

          they ALREADY made there cash back with a profit “US only” so STFU!

        • Anon

          @ who

          You don’t have a clue.
          Even just the interest rate lost to the production schedule instead of just leaving it in the bank has to be quantified and added. Ever heard of distribution? Perhaps advertising? Printing? How about the split of the revenue that goes to the theatres themselves? How about 1000 other costs that are all part of the creation and launch of a modern motion picture?

          Do a little reading:
          http://io9.com/5747305/how-much-money-does-a-movie-need-to-make-to-be-profitable

          What a moron.

        • Guest

          @Anon

          Yeah, and I suppose the people who’ve laid out the red carpet need to be paid too.

        • Eek

          Hollywood accounting at its best.

        • Rohe

          Movie Studios get 50% off the Cinemas. Sometimes its a little more complex than that, because depending the type of contract, the country etc. 10-15 years ago creating copy reels for 3000 screens cost 10k a pop, or 30mil for the us alone. With digital distributions, this cost went down 90%, but didn’t vanish.

          The true point here is, that there is not ONE _major_ animated movie that didn’t bring it five to ten times his cost over a period of 10 years. In investment terms, you can’t loose. Too many kids and too many stressed out parents ;^x

          Releasing it via on demand before Cinema seems to be the next big thing, because many people simply can’t afford Cinema anymore. A family of four is easily $60 with popcorn, with 3d even more. Paying $6 to play on your Stream TV is 10th of that price. Some cheap Arthouse films even break even just by the raising “on the demand” viewing rates.

          This is still a changing landscape. 1/3 of the US movie revenue is made in Asia and it will climb up to 50% in the next 10 years. Or to spell it differently: If one of twenty Asians pay $5 to see the next $Blockbuster, Hollywood could stream 1080p with 5 minutes of ads in the West – and still build pyramids out of pure Gold.

        • RoboMAFIAA

          @’Anon’

          “It cost $165 million to make Wreck-It Ralph. Unless you can figure out a way for the Pirate Bay to return all of that investment plus a profit to their shareholders who risked that money out of pocket in the first place to compel another film, then it is actually your post that is bull shit.”

          Anon. I hear YOU! I agree. I have figured out a way. Intelligent thought.
          The Pirate Bay (magnets) can, will, and does deliver.

          GOOD WILL!
          Good Will is a business term. Legally it has value.
          TREMENDOUS VALUE!

          I agree with you. If Disney DID post a clean copy of their ‘art’ on TPB, then there would be GREAT GOOD WILL. This is a powerful marketing force. It will guarantee increased sales and profits.

          Shitting on one’s clients is never a good business strategy.

          What you call Piracy, I call untapped market!
          Disney Magnets Now !!!! That Works!

          I’D BUY THAT FOR A DOLLAR!
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85cL1HisrNc

        • k__h

          To Anon replying to Who:
          Hollywood uses fake accounting. Even the most profitable movie, like Harry Potter and the order of the pheonix made zero profit.

          http://www.deadline.com/2010/07/studio-shame-even-harry-potter-pic-loses-money-because-of-warner-bros-phony-baloney-accounting/

      • MadAsASnake

        Ooooh! Anon is once again threatening more legislation and higher punishments. 20 to life, or is it the death penalty this time?

        • Anon

          I don’t think we’ll see the death penalty for copyright infringement. At least I hope not.

          But remember, only 48 or 60 months ago Pirates were braying “YOU can’t STOP Us!” and NO punishments were being handed down because it was too early in the process and governments were respecting online rights to see what pirates would do with them. So everything just sat still and watched for awhile. The industries went crazy while they were getting ripped off, but the governments were–in FACT– very respectful. they just watched.

          Now we see. EVERYone sees the bullshit that you’ll do if you are allowed a lack of accountability. That’s why the laws are being passed and that’s why 5 years for admin-ing a simple movie release site is a new norm. So it’s not hard to imagine with a few more years of precedent, pirates still as stupid as ever and refusing to learn and stop, and someone foolish enough to admin multiple sites, say, hiding encrypted on top of it all, getting 20 years to life. Big deal. It’s a FUCKING PIRATE.

          With 5 years for one IMAGINE site, what’s so unreasonable about that?

        • Anon

          I clearly said, ever harder spankings. And the legislation already exists even though it doesn’t. Don’t kid yourself. ;)

        • Trespass

          @Anon

          Only one problem with your predictions. Sharing has evolved with every attempt by the entertainment industry to quash it. In a few years, who knows what “pirates”(hate that term) will think up.

          You always paint sharers as lazy, when we are really the new innovators and are one step ahead of the MAFIAA. It’s only a matter of time before something like the TOR network is reality for file sharing.

          The people will not stand for further SOPA, PIPA, or CRISPA clones. ACTA fell due to public outrage. When the money eventually dries up from the entertainment industry, so will all this concern of copyright infringement. Tougher laws will do little to curb file sharing.

          http://news.ca.msn.com/world/cbc-article.aspx?cp-documentid=28020892

        • Anon

          I need my face plugged

        • Rohe

          @Anon Sometimes is just the process that shut down sites. Ten years ago, nobody knew how to correctly write a DCMA. Today the DELETION BRIGADES send out the letter the second someone post a link to Usenet or Sharehosters. (The torrent extortion racket is a different beast, and a smelly one). Most of the Sharehosters who get too much “fame” will simply burn out under the amount of completely legit DCMA requests. And they react, as seen with some famous ones who have so much legal customers they can burn of bridges with “the rest”.

          On the tech side, I can’t see anything. Usenet is clearly on the verge of being dried off, Torrents/P2P is already insanely toxic…where to go? For the amount of accessible tech out there, its rather interesting that after the P2P hype, the only thing the “underground” could come up after “years of development” are basically FTP servers with “legal” and HTML make up – and call them “sharehosters” ;*)

        • Guest

          @Failnon

          “But remember, only 48 or 60 months ago Pirates were braying “YOU can’t STOP Us!”

          And we’re still braying “YOU can’t STOP us!” because unlike you, we are capable of observing reality and noticing that, oh look, the latest round of punishments did jack shit to curb piracy.

          We’re also(again, unlike you) capable of basic logic, so we understand how there are so many pirates that any – ANY – anti-piracy legislation is going to be inherently ineffective and unenforceable right out of the starting gate.

          And none of this comes as a surprise to us because it’s been this way it’s been for 13 years and counting.

          Seriously, I think the MAFIAA is going to die before it realizes it lost the war during the fucking Clinton administration.

          “and NO punishments were being handed down”

          What the fuck? Do you think everybody reading Torrentfreak has the memory of a goldfish with short-term amnesia? The copyright monopoly and its bribed government whores have been trying their damndest to punish pirates to the greatest extent of the law ever since Napster.

          Why would you even… Oh, that’s right. You’re trying to sweep the past 13 years of utter failure to combat piracy under the rug by pretending “HAY GUISE NOBODY WAS EVEN TRYING TO STOP PIRATES UNTIL JUST NOW LELELELELE”.

          Failed revisionist history is failed.

          “EVERYone sees the bullshit that you’ll do if you are allowed a lack of accountability.”

          Yeah. We’ll be the best customers.

          http://www.google dot com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=pirates+%22buy+more%22

          The horror. The horror.

          “So it’s not hard to imagine with a few more years of precedent, pirates still as stupid as ever and refusing to learn and stop,”

          You think anti-piracy laws are remotely sustainable when people continue to pirate no matter what punishments are levied against them?

          Hahahahahahahahaha, oh Anon. Reason just bounces right off you, doesn’t it?

      • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

        They used to like the Disney Boys a lot. They like them less after PIPA, SOPA, ACTA, CISPA, and TPP.

        Too many more like that and the Disney Boys can go fuck themselves…..

      • icec0ld

        No anon. It’s the coffin dodging corporations screaming for another million in profit at the expense of the lives of everyone else bringing this legislation through. Stop applauding it if you dislike it so much

      • Otto_preminger

        “But if pirates get it and distribute it and typical stats for similar past Disney movies not prereleased online are not at least reasonably met, indicating piracy eats into bluray and dvd sales”

        Pirates will get it and distribute it. That’s a constant.

        So if home-watch grosses are not comparable to past Disney titles, that will not “indicate” anything about piracy’s effects.

        I feel like I know more about your sexual preferences than you do about the movie industry. That’s not right.

      • Who

        well IF it isn’t the 2nd “KNOW IT ALL” of how the world works

        “The American Congress likes the Disney boys” you mean Roy? Walt passed away some years ago. O but that’s right your a “KNOW IT ALL” so you already knew that.

      • Guest

        “But if pirates get it and distribute it and typical stats for similar past Disney movies not prereleased online are not at least reasonably met”

        Well, piracy doesn’t cause lost revenue so there’s no need to worry your pretty little head over it.

        “The American Congress likes the Disney boys. ;-)”

        Yep. The degree to which Congress is bribed by Disney is absolutely legendary. This may be the only true thing you’ve ever written.

        “You don’t have a clue.”

        As Eek pointed out, your extra costs are nothing but crooked Hollywood accounting. The same that the studios used to turn the LOTR trilogy in to a “flop”. The trouble with us, Anon, is that we do have a clue – and thus we don’t buy your snake oil.

      • Tom

        Online version will be available in the US only i bet so the rest of the world will still be getting the pirate copies. Let everyone see things at the same time and at their convenience and a lot of this will stop.

        Price isn’t the main issue with people pirating it is availability

    • Anon

      Disney just did that with “Wreck-It Ralph”, the first time ever they’ve released a digital version online before bluray or DVD. The entire industry is watching. If the early online release yields a better roi, expect this to be come a norm. That would be great because the return of revenue with a margin of profit will fund the next one.

      But if pirates get it and distribute it and typical stats for similar past Disney movies not prereleased online are not at least reasonably met, this will indicate piracy is eating edible underwear. Expect another round of forever ever higher punishments and spankings. You will be punished until you do not exist, and then you will be punished some more.

      The American Congress likes boys. ;-)
      Pirates are compelling new regulations I just made up. And don’t kid yourself. You are not. lol

      • Tom at Safe-Xchange.com

        Anon, I assume you work for the MPAA or RIAA, which limits your perspective. For others who may agree with anon, be aware that revenues from intellectual property rarely go to the actual creators. Intellectual property laws protect lawyers and corporations, not people who are doing the actual creative work.

        These are interesting times, all too similar to the times when the printing press was invented and the Catholic Church put people to death for using it. We need to find better ways to reward people for their creative endeavors; right now the lawyers are making the noise and we do not recognize how important that is, but I’m hoping that will change.

        Safe-Xchange is looking for ways to make that happen.

        • Guest

          Even though your comment is basically spam, it’s also excellent. Much respect, good sir.

          Have you emailed Torrentfreak about your business? They might run a story on it if you do.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Mohammed/100003310057007 Ryan Mohammed

        I enjoy this latest decision on Disney’s part, if not their campaigns to extend copyright beyond a limit that is worth adhering to, and will end up buying a digital copy to show my support. This doesn’t change the fact that copyright is an oxymoron. The only protected ideas are secrets of the dead. If it comes down to copyright being a threat to progress, artistically or technologically, I’ve no issues severing the bloodlines of copyright holders as the cost for a progressive civilization.

  • Jsssdrpc

    Have watched so far:

    Django > totally recommended
    Hobbit > Very good

    • guess who

      i was more excited about django than the hobbit for two reasons, i love spaghetti westerns, seen the orginal django and many others, the hobbit is part 1/3, that’s a long wait to see the whole thing. i’ll wait and watch it all on one bank holliday weekend when a cineama shows ‘em.

      • Anyone

        keep a lookout for Franco Nero ;)

        the Hobbit was surprisingly “short”, time flew buy, it totally didn’t feel like 3 hours
        if you liked the other LotR movies you will like this one as well. if not, then not

        • guess who

          i know i will, i just don’t have the patience to wait 3 years pluss to see the full extended film.

  • Andrew me

    Let them think it is tpb it keeps there dirty little mitts off the other sites that are helping people share links with each other. There are luckily a few sites i use that have never been mentioned on here and i would like to keep it that way.

    • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

      oh, cmon…. you can tell us …..

  • chris_p_bacon(R.O.L.L)

    what is strange?. …this…..http://www.movie2k.to/Django-Unchained-watch-movie-2373330.html
    why are we downloading when watching in very high quality on a 100 inch plasma through a 256mb ram 14 year old laptop with 5 gig memory(before graphics cards) does the same job?
    because we can, and up the censors…that’s why.
    me/…i prefer to stream through doc Brown contraptions with about 20 miles of cables the occasional explosion.

    • Evilanal

      Its not quality you idiot. You want high quality get the 5GB DVD-R from MATINE not from some malware ridden site. The whole point of piracy is offline viewing whenever wherever.

      • ForestSilverwood

        Don’t forget device shifting without DRM!

      • VAiN

        MANTiNE sux balls. they release shit cams with flicker, oos and crap skills.

  • Madb0mb3r71

    Why is this news.. always ramped screener releases prior to Bullshit awards.

    this has been the norm for years and years and years..

    slow news day??

  • geral

    weres the yearly torrentfreak studios are beating screener pirates article??

  • Rairai

    Business as usual. Back in the time of beta and VHS i got plenty movies copied by nice people working in the center of the Hollywood industry. I watched best badman ever Clarence J. Boddicker jr. giving the man a hand 3 months before the world premiere. This happend in fuckin Norwegicus Ratthus – far from sivilisation in 1987….

    Thank you Hollywood. Keep up the god work….

  • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

    I think Quentin Tarrantino would be able to make a magnifiscient Artistic Movie………… Distribute it on Pirate’s Bay profitably………. and, maybe win Acadamy Awards in every category…….

    Wouldn’t that be the example that refreshes?

    Perhaps this particular Quentin Tarrantino is too rich; and, too habituated, to stray from the Corporate grazing fields; but, we need the new future Tarrantino to emerge successfully through the alternative distribution channels…… After all, nothing proves a point like success.

    • Chuck Norris

      I eat Quentin Tarantino’s for breakfast

    • Anon

      How would distributing a movie on Pirate Bay “profitably” work?
      Seriously.
      Would you tell Tarantino to make a movie that costs him tens of millions of dollars to make, then give it away for free and sell t-shirts and coffee mugs instead?
      Seriously.

      • Guest

        ABC, NBC and CBS give away TV shows.

        • Anon

          AFTER they make back their costs and a profit margin by blanketing them with advertisement during broadcast.

          Are you just playing?
          Or are you really that stupid.

      • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

        You can’t imagine how existing (rapidly evolving) p2p technology
        expresses the capacity for immense absolute profits for the digital distribution of creative content?

        Well! You are NOT alone!!

        There’s not one MPAA Movie Mogul; Big Five Book Publisher, or RIAA Royalty collecting empresario, who knows one iota more than you do about monetizing the creative digital content of the future over p2p distribution channels profitably.

        The fact that it is pathetic does NOT make it a lie.

        The technical explanations for why and how p2p technology is the most efficient monetization possible of digital content are NOT esoteric; in fact, they are public knowledge. In fact, they are the soul and sinew of every filesharing website that has ever bedeviled the fortunes of these Copyright Protected Moguls.

        It’s basic math: Copyright protected Corporate Moguls have convinced themselves that they can only monetize profitably if their production costs are no less than a couple of hundred million dollars (obscene salaries and perks); and, have convinced themselves further that they can only monetize distribution properly if their product is priced at a king’s ransom per unit.

        P2P technology has done to that high cost/high price distribution model what nasty crocodile teeth do to Wildebeast flesh on the Congo river.

        The Quentin Tarrantino of the future will not presume a price point of 40 dollars per unit. He will acknowledge that his distribution costs are Zero; and, he will expect to price for pennies on the dollar; but, he will expect to reach a customer base of several billion people. The resulting couple of hundred million dollars might not be more than Capuchino money to today’s Copyright protected Mogul; but, the Quentin Tarrantino of the future will take it gladly as a good return on his 500k investment; and, crow like a randy rooster from the highest steeple that he just ate the Copyright Monopoly’s lunch.

        Copyright monopolists can learn all there is to know about this by dialing two telephone numbers: Kim DotCom; and, the current and historical administrators of the Pirate’s Bay (Oh Mamma!).

        Tell them to do it quick.

        Why?

        Because so far, over the last ten years, they’ve only seen one half of the P2P revolution, the Distribution half.

        The other half, the Production half, really started only about ten months ago, with Pirate Bay’s programs to feature and distribute independent Artists; and, is expected to demonstrate publicly compelling momentum only in the next year when Mega comes out dancing dressed in Skull and Crossed Bones.

        If that happens, “How do you say “Finished” in Corporate Speak?”

        • Anon

          Let’s all have a double of whatever the hell Thumbs is drinking.

        • Rohe

          I still waiting for THE Kickstarter:

          “The Hobbit Trilogy”
          ||————————————————————–| 250 Millions to go, 30 days left

          1200 Dollars already pledged.

          And now don’t tell me you can shoot the Hobbit on a parking lot with
          two hillbillies on their knees. Be reasonable.

        • MadeMyDay

          “And now don’t tell me you can shoot the Hobbit on a parking lot with
          two hillbillies on their knees. Be reasonable.”

          I’m in tears

        • Frankie098

          @Anon

          “”Let’s all have a double of whatever the hell Thumbs is drinking.”"

          Beats drinking Mafiaa Sperm like you do.

      • Anyone

        the artists using Promobay all saw a surge in revenue after being featured on TPB

        ask them for pointers if you can’t run a business

        • Guest

          “all”? Where are your stats for that?

        • Anyone

          no stats, but the only feedback I heard was positive

      • Guest

        “How would distributing a movie on Pirate Bay “profitably” work?”

        Like this: promobay dot org

        “Would you tell Tarantino to make a movie that costs him tens of millions of dollars to make, then give it away for free…

        Oh, so Trent Reznor can do it with an album but Quentin Tarantino can’t do it with a movie?

        MAFIAA-bot logic fail.

    • guess who

      how do we know he didn’t leak the screener?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FFKPEFTU2PYVMNNA2KY25NFECE Yours

    Someones got a leaker and i wonder who? Someones got a leaker and i wonder who! :P

  • Silversurfer Surfer

    its nothing new i would not put it pass the studios them selfs release em too big up the awards more public viewing ratings more big bucks for the studios

  • JordanKratz

    Thanks for the Movies ! Might as well have watched The Hobbit.It will take a few years before we get the Extended Version.
    Anyways who cares ! I don’t really care what Hollywood is putting out or making.
    Local and Indie Stuff is way more important to me.
    Boycott the MAFIAA !!!

    • Me

      My thoughts exactly! I missed a couple of those.. But if they are up for awards; phuck it! I am grabbing and dashin’ BUWAHAHAHA. BTW – Chris Dodd is a fuckwad.

  • Guess

    Dear mpaa,

    This is the result of suing people and forcing sites to go down. Your precious films leak faster and the files spread like wildfire.

    Good job
    The users of the internet.

  • bobmail

    Actually, this is a perfect story to explain to the ignorant people what a single rip and share can do. It’s doubtful that there are more than a couple of “sources” for this leak, probably only one. 500,000 “shares” (aka, 500,000 illegal copies) from a single source can show you the potential destruction of a single user sharing a file.

    So the next time someone asks for some proof of harm, just send them to this article. That single share is 500,000 less potential customers for the film in cinema, as a rental, as a PPV, or as a DVD purchase. Even if you look at it as 1% of the potential market, that is still a whole shitload of hurt.

    • Rohe

      A old friend of mine has no Job for two years. He didn’t see a cinema for six after the divorce. If you count him in as someone who would go and pay $10 for every movie he downloads, then your calculation is not only flawed, its just a absolute ridiculous assumption. He is a non customer, such his access to the “ware” is practically some “information” in the aether. It doesn’t matter for the producers of the media if he saw it or not, because there was never a chance they could get him to pay. He simply can’t.

      I’m not saying what he does is right. Not by far. But that was not the argument. The argument was, that someone who “streams” +30 movies a month because he is jobless would have paid $300. He wouldn’t. Not in this case.

      There is not one **clear** study that shows how big the percentage of people who watched the screener would have paid in one or another way. Depending who you ask its all between 0% and 100%.

      • bobmail

        “. If you count him in as someone who would go and pay $10 for every movie he downloads, then your calculation is not only flawed, its just a absolute ridiculous assumption”

        Nobody said that. Way to jump to a conclusion.

        However, let’s make it clear here: If he wasn’t watching pirated movies, and was consuming some sort of legal alternative (say like watching cable, or having a Netflix account) he would be generating income to the rights holders directly or indirectly. Remember, it’s not just “$10 at the cinema”, that isn’t the only way movies are seen. At the far extreme, he could watch it a few years from now on his local “late movie” TV channel OTA… the value of the movie in the OTA marketplace is based on the potential of people actually watching it and helping the station ratings.

        My point is only that is a single share maked for 500,000 to a million net copies, it is a fair assumption that at bare minimum, the potential marketplace shrinks (they have seen the movie, why pay to see it again, especially when they still have a copy on a hard drive or backup media). You only have to accept that a very, very, very small percentage of the people might have gone to the theater, rented the DVD, or done other actions that benefit the rights holders to understand that there is harm. I would say it’s almost impossible to think that not a single one of those 500,000 people would have done one or more of those things.

        Statistically, it just doesn’t add up any other way. I mean, you can predict an election by sampling a few thousand people in the US. A sample of 500,000 would be more than big enough to find at least some people who might have spent some money in some manner. Denying that is to deny reality.

    • Anyone

      “destruction”?
      all those films easily make back their costs, in some cases they already have

      so what “losses” are there?

    • Anon

      I live in a trailer park. My mom gives me cans of beans to eat for supper everyday. I feel like shit, but alteast I can download the hobbit and talk like a normal kid at school. Fuck you RIAA mafia hitmen.

    • 2013sUxAlready

      Don’t know and don’t wanna know what prick liked your comment but it is the same old story. 1 leak equates to so and so many potential customer losses. Blahblah. People put up a perfect copy of those screeners and you will see that it only depends on the movie itself how many people will dig it up. Why is Django and the Hobbit a hit? Cause they are big Blockbuster Movies… they were advertised like mofos in the last couple of months if not years. Now… put something up like Zero Dark 30 and watch how many people give a fuck. I bet not a single middle eastern person has even heard of this flic except maybe the participants in said movie :D So your fucking logic is flawed that a single leak equates a fixed number of lost customers. And potential customers are still potential meaning THAT IS NOT YOUR MONEY nor YOUR RIGHT to GAIN MONEY. Screw you greedy fuckers who blame innocent people for nonviolent crimes. Oh your statistic says you can make even more money if every fuckandall would buy your shit… guess what FANCYPANTS n0b0dy gives a fuck about your statistics. People buy shit with money they have. if they don’t have money they won’t buy it. Since movies and music are not essential to surviving like for example food, clothes, housing, gas or electricity people avoid to pay for information they can access much more comfortable via the internet. Why even bother driving to the cinema, paying for the parking lot, ticket, popcorn, drinks and still get fuckin annoying ass people who can’t STFU during a movie or little children running amok in the first row because their ignorant ass parents are idiots. Or even worse… WHAT if the MOVIE FUCKING SUCKED! I don’t want to pay for clothes that don’t fit me! Or food that does not taste good to me. If a movie deserves a big screen release (for example Avatar) people will go and check it out in the theatres. Believe it or not… not everybody has a big screen TV in their living room. I prefer to see epic visuals in the cinema simply because I don’t own a projector and high-def speakers to build a small theatre in my living room.

      However customers get alienated by high ticket prizes and then they have to wait for the movie to drop out of theatres and hit rentals. WTF are you even expecting in times of an economic crisis. Be glad that you still achieve more and more profit every year and I suggest you stop paying those cocksucking lawyers and stop bribing politicians. Maybe you’d even have much more money the next season that way… less money for bullshit laws that get rejected = more money for new projects.

      • Frankie098

        Bob is a resident TF Troll and he votes for himself.

        • bobmail

          Fuck off. I don’t “like” any post either way. It looks like you are being a troll, jackwad.

      • bobmail

        Way to miss the point. You went a long way with PLENTY OF CAPITAL LETTERS to prove you can’t read. See the trailer park / beans post before yours, it makes more sense.

    • http://thepiratebay.se/user/SCSA420 StoneCold420

      bobmail = MORON

    • http://twitter.com/DuckTheNWO ☠ NewWorldStoner ☠

      Your argument is entirely unfounded and completely flawed. The fact is whether it’s 50, 500,000, or 500,000,000 downloads, your argument is based entirely on assumption. Perhaps those people downloaded for political reasons or perhaps because they are poor or don’t have time to go to the cinema? The fact is you don’t know. The fact is there is no proof file-sharing has ever cost the movie industry a single dollar. Have you considered the possibility that the movie industry lead war on so-called “piracy” has caused people to boycott cinemas or purchase of DVD’s? People want freedom. If people didn’t want freedom, prison would not be a punishment. As people see that their freedom (particularly the freedom to share information) is being taken away by rich and greedy corporations, people fight back. This is a fact and is evident from the increasing public support for the EFF, TPB and Pirate Parties.

    • Guest

      “500,000 “shares” (aka, 500,000 illegal copies) from a single source can show you the potential destruction of a single user sharing a file.”

      Yeah. Zero.

      Considering that research shows that pirates are the best customers and there has never, to date, been any research that actually proves piracy is harmful the potential destruction from 500,000 shares is imaginary at best.

      “That single share is 500,000 less potential customers for the film in cinema, as a rental, as a PPV, or as a DVD purchase.”

      Nope. There is absolutely nothing to support this. Which is why you aren’t bringing any actual numbers or facts to the table.

      Because you can’t. It is, after all, impossible to substantiate a load of make-believe.

      Baghdad Bob fails again.

    • xmichaelx

      “So the next time someone asks for some proof of harm, just send them to this article.”

      Yes, Django has been a spectacular failure. In fact, all the top 10 most shared movies of last year made no money.

      That’s why Hollywood made more money in 2012 than in any year prior, with Sony alone crossing the $1-billion mark only 2/3rds of the way through the year.

      But feel free to show proof of “harm” if you like.

      • bobmail

        “Yes, Django has been a spectacular failure. In fact, all the top 10 most shared movies of last year made no money.

        That’s why Hollywood made more money in 2012 than in any year prior, with Sony alone crossing the $1-billion mark only 2/3rds of the way through the year.”

        Sigh, same old tired arguments.

        Let’s do the first part last. “record” sales are a misdirection, because people are paying higher overall ticket prices to see 3D movies and Imax, but are buying LESS tickets overall. Attendance is down, not up. Based only on inflation, the sales of movies should in general over time follow the trend… 2-3% a year increase just because ticket prices in the long run keep pace with inflation. We won’t even get into demographics, expanding population, expanding numbers in affluent groups with time and cash available, etc.

        Now, for the first one… quite simply, if the ticket sales from the previous years average remained constant, and ticket prices increased as shown, those movies would be even bigger successes.

        Movies are still a little bit on the edge with piracy, with major movie piracy only being a few years old. You can look at the losses of the music industry (more than half the recorded music sales lost in a decade) to understand the harm of piracy.

        The top 10 shared movies are generally only an indication of success, and have nothing to do with their success. It’s one of the funny things about piracy, everyone here shits of the “MAFIAA” and claims all their products are shit and they are full of crap. Then they slobber all over themselves trying to be the first to download the latest thing. There is nothing funnier than watching two faced, self-justifying pirates trying to act all hateful as they eat the content up.

    • Me

      potential customers

  • http://thepiratebay.se/user/SCSA420 StoneCold420

    the guy above 2013sUxAlready hit the nail on the fucking head :D give that man a cigar!!!

  • Billy

    What’s the difference between DVDSCR and normal screens?

    • Anyone

      it is basically a DVDRip, it just has “for your consideration” on the screen at some points during the film

      it cannot be compared to screeners (filming the screen in a cinema) it has a much better quality

      • frozar

        You’re thinking of cams. Screeners are given to critics for example prior to a film showing in theaters.

        DVDSCR just means it was a screener on DVD format and ripped as opposed to BR or as a digital file.

  • Qoaa

    I’ve worked as a screener courier before, job was to drive to select place, either location where news show is taped, or the late show are taped or even driven to critics home. As far as physical media is concerned I would deliver the disk get the required signature and remind them of a pickup time. I would return at the pickup time usually later that day or the following morning to retrieve the disk. Most times it would have faded watermark single digits sometimes in the 4 corners of screen or a specific hash code that would ID the disk/courier/recipient.

    Well most couriers bring their laptops and swap disk in, rip it and go about their business as usual. When we got home for the day we’d pull up the screener in our favorite editing software, if there are identifying marks we’d “clone tool” them out. And of course ALWAYS Reencode changing the hash code on the film. Then uploading it from there.

    Course I haven’t been a courier now in 2 years and most is done digitally now and those guys will leak it directly off the servers usually. I have also heard rumors that directors having trouble with studios not paying up on time, or not paying actors on time or deals gone wrong have explicitly told couriers to leak the screeners.

    Directors just want their artwork seen, it’s the studios/MPAA that are the bad guys, Directors make movies first of all to be seen and most would like the big paydays but even if they didn’t get paid would still make movies. Famous quote from Sam Raimi he didn’t care if it was pirated he just wants his “artwork” seen. Same as artists of all history.

    Anyhow it is quite interesting that directors often push to have movies leaked to piss off studios cause the directors were slighted in some way.

    • frozar

      Some studios got smart and placed a massive watermark over the entire screen. Annoying as fuck though.

  • roko

    There is one reason, why this Django Unchained leak got so popular – currently you could go to movie theater and see it only in USA and Canada, because it’s release date in rest of the world is after January 16th.
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1853728/releaseinfo

    • guess who

      pluss his films are controversial like peckinpah was. every time i see he’s made a new film, i have to see it because of the unusual sound track, cinemetography, styalised violence and damn good story telling. somehow, i realy doubt i’m the only person who thinks this way.

  • torrent freakster

    “people wanting to blame these stats on The Pirate Bay will be disappointed. Although it is back online now, the world’s most famous torrent site was offline all day yesterday and played no part in proceedings.”

    Trollol

    Yeah come on throw some more salt in the wound.
    I want to see the movie companies faces while we repeat their statement that “piratebay is the root of all piracy and evil”

    I want to here what bullshit excuse they come up with for their incorrect statement.

    I think we can actually even sue them for slander now that we have proof of the opposite.

    Does anyone want to try?

  • enzofloc

    It’s not that I don’t appreciate near DVD quality movies before the DVD is released, but come on! Where’s Argo and The Silver Linings Playbook?

    Bit Torrent Brat

  • desuru

    except for django unchained and skyfall all the movies have been so boring! i don’t think i watched past the half way point of any others.

  • Chuck Norris

    Death to the packers.

  • ScrewEwe2

    Django Unchained and The Hobbit, an Unexpected Journey were both good movies, and I’ve seen ‘em, but I’ve got the patience to wait for the DVD 9′s or Bluray’s to come out via rental. You can find whatever you want through torrents or streaming, but I’ll take quality over quantity every time.

    Being in the U.S., I don’t have a clue what the rental options are in Europe. Everyone knows we have Redbox, Blockbuster Video and Netflix plus other independent rental options. My take is that those same type of options arent available, or as available in the EU. If it’s bullshit licencing issues, the MAFIAA could take a major dent out of so called piracy, by giving access at the same time for rental and theatrical releases globally, but they won’t ever do that. I’ll stick to music and software, for sharing, caring, grabbing, nabbing, taking or whatever euphemism’s that apply to torrenting or P2P

    Jamie Fox Rules. Now we need a movie made where the MAFIAA master’s house get’s blown to pieces by the TPB3.

  • Anonymouse

    Isn’t it about time the MAFFIA closed down the Oscars.

  • qamar 2013

    when this show will be complete in torrent file i need to see this i missed

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