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Mininova Pays Settlement to BREIN to End BitTorrent Lawsuit

Mininova, once the largest BitTorrent site on the Internet, has paid a settlement fee to Dutch anti-piracy outfit BREIN to end the legal clash between the two parties. In return, BREIN dropped the damages claim they were preparing and Mininova has withdrawn their appeal, making it impossible for the site to return to full swing.

mininovaAfter operating for almost five full years, the BitTorrent giant Mininova deleted over a million torrent files from its site during November last year.

Mininova was left with little choice, having been forced into these drastic measures by a negative verdict in their court battle with local anti-piracy outfit BREIN.

The Dutch court told Mininova that it had to remove all infringing torrent files from its index, while threatening the site with huge fines for non-compliance. That selective task, however, proved technically unfeasible. Instead, the site’s owners took the decision to remove all torrents uploaded by regular users, many of which were not infringing any copyrights at all.

Following this decision Mininova started to lose visitors at a rapid pace. A year after the court decision the site lost most of its traffic, as former users looked for alternative torrent sites with a wider variety of content.

Meanwhile, the legal battle between Mininova and BREIN continued in the background. Mininova appealed the verdict at the Court of Amsterdam and BREIN prepared a damages claim on behalf of the entertainment industry.

In addition, both parties began negotiating a mutual agreement that would be acceptable to all parties involved, and they succeeded in finalizing that today.

“Both parties have now reached a settlement. Mininova will abide the verdict of the Court of Utrecht and will withdraw the appeal. In order to settle the matter permanently, Mininova pays Brein an undisclosed amount of money,” the Mininova team announced.

Instead of fighting the decision with all means available to them, Mininova decided that it was for the best to pay a settlement fee instead. The agreement announced today puts an end to the ongoing legal battle between Mininova and BREIN.

Mininova co-founder Niek told TorrentFreak that he’s happy with the outcome, and relieved that the legal proceedings are finally over. For more than two years Mininova has negotiated with BREIN, both in private and in the court room, and the current outcome was seemingly inevitable.

“Even though Mininova filed pro forma appeal, we strongly felt that giving up on it was a sacrifice BREIN made. After all Dutch case law makes clear appeal of verdict would’ve been decided in favor of rightholders,” BREIN’s head Tim Kuik told TorrentFreak.

“We both agreed settlement was preferable over a long drawn court battle over damages. We carry no grudge and wish the guys from Mininova the very best with their new ventures, including the Mininova site in its present form that it took since 29 November 2009,” Kuik added.

Mininova will continue to operate as a torrent site with authorized uploaders only, as it has been for the past year.

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  • jon

    1st

  • t3ngu

    Any idea of the settlement? How much money does Mininova has to pay?

  • Hark

    Settlement Amount?

    All the operators nutsacks.

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  • needy

    after reading how USA has been influencing other governments to implement copyright laws, seems strange to me that Mininova just gave up here. if governments have been influenced by other countries, stands to reason that courts have also been influenced, doesn’t it?

  • me the swede

    @4

    Duh of-course it has!

  • Ettore

    I am going to assume the “settlement” was $0; the agreement was likely to set a precedent or to scare other torrent site operators … can’t bleed much out of Mininova, not like they’re making any money.

  • 6sixty6

    LOL, another site brought to its knees and sent packing with its tail tucked between its legs.

  • Riv

    BREIN damage?

  • Anonymous

    @7 Yep, only ~99,999,999ish torrent sites to sue individually. I’m SURE the government will win this one. [/sarcasm]

  • Vuze-user

    This just proves that:

    - Anti-piracy organizations just do it for the money and they’ll never stop until you feed them.
    - Running a popular p2p website makes you a lot of money (which TPB also has proven).

  • Johnny

    BREIN’s racket paid off. Mininova probably has no money to continue proceeding and BREIN wants to keep this case as a precedent.

  • Anonymous

    that’s really sad. guess not everybody has the strength to speak out and fight. then again, maybe the folks at mininova din’t really care that much for p2p anyway.

  • Anonymous

    so by getting one site to delete most of the torrents on it, which most of them are on many sites anyway and many sites were build off of mininova’s original content, they just created many hydras but as if that wasn’t enough, they kept persuing the company which just shows how ruthless they are. Lets not forget here that this is the same organization that has gotten newsgroups shut down in many cases only to have them back up under new operators and running better than every with greater retention rate. So what does history tell us? History tells us that their real goal is more = better as they continue on the path to take one down which only makes it spread.

    This was discussed over 10 years ago and they still fail to listen to history. We can conclude from this that the mafiaa & friends only want their content more prolific as they specified in a previous pr release earlier this year. They like giving free publicity to help spread their works and at the same time making their income go down because so much negative advertising they do such as suing people for millions who can’t even afford 1/10 of the “extortion price”.

  • lulzwhataburger

    uhm, who is Mininova? sounds familiar, like something I used to care about.

  • TMM

    At this point most of these websites that have been sued are past their primes. If anything, this is helping the torrent community streamline and replace these websites with better versions. As someone mentioned before me, theyre hydras. It doesnt matter how many websites are neutered or taken offline. So long as someone has internet service, there will be torrents. Though I would really like to know what the settlement figure was. Even just a ballpark would be great.

    I truly dont get why the entertainment industry thinks theyll be able to end piracy. Piracy has been around for 100s of years and no ones been able to stop it. They should embrace it and figure out a way to adapt. Like the first 36 min leak of Harry Potter was a great. While im not a real harry potter fan, having access to an extended preview is a boon to movie goers. Their business model right now is terribly flawed and they push out crappy products. And I know there are quite a few out here on TF that have sworn off going to movies and buying music, there is the occasional gem that is produce by the entertainment industry. So I’m not ready to swear them off and never buy their products again, but I’m beginning to lean toward that decision. Their products over the last 5-10 years has been atrocious. They really need to adapt and rather than push all these products out immediately and try to make a quick buck, make a quality movie. There were so many great movies and music in the past that are classic but there hasnt been anything recently that in like 10-20 years I would look back and saw “Wow i remember when that came out and its still great.” Wow I realized I went on a huge tangent. But anytime you really mention torrents and lawsuits, I feel you need to address the entertainment side of things. They are just using these lawsuits to sway the mind of sheople. Pushing propaganda of how piracy is creating these massive damages and how millions of jobs are at risk. While torrenting and such is “stealing” (I admit it, but im still an avid downloader), i think when downloading should be to sample these copyrighted works to make an informed decision on whether to buy. Im a broke a college student so I cant really live up to this philosophy haha but its what I play to do in the future. Because how else are we to really make a decision on these copyrighted works. Why should any of us have to take a gamble on a product? Like theres been so many movies and music where im like great id see/listen to this once cuz its so bad. I dunno if anyone would read this or even agrees with me but thats how I feel about it.

    And the whole copyright penalties we all know is absurd. But personally, i think the most FAIR way to determine how much someone should pay is (Total Uploaded for the file in question divided by the file size) multiplied by (the cost of the work + some extra amount to serve as a deterrant). Essentially this should make the entertainment industry happy because in theory it would cover all “lost sales” plus have extra cost thrown in to serve as a deterrant to prevent downloading. While I get this may not be total feasible to implement. But the defendant could easily produce the data for this equation.

    I know there are quite a few people on TF cuz i read the comments, and I feel like a bunch just want to get the whole copyright infringement penalties removed. But now in the USA and the world thats a naive and childish view. Not to mention plain wrong. I’m not saying I’m dont download and being a troll for the entertainment industry. Ive uploaded 2 TB and downloaded like 1.5 from demon haha. But as a community we to qualify. What i mean by that is we need to understand that downloading copyrighted works is wrong but we’re gonna do it anyways. But at least by understanding and seeing this point, we can work to pointing out the benefits of file-sharing and the good things it can do. By being such a one-sided group and not even acknowledging that our actions are wrong, we just discredit everything we say that is valid about file-sharing and its positive effects.

    I think the real reason for piracy existing to such a prevalent degree is the entertainments fault. These jacked up prices on their products makes it completely unaffordable. Like the 80gb and 120gb ipods, can fit 10s of 1000s of songs. Which translates to 10s of 1000s of dollars. Who in the right mind would be able to spend that much on music? Same thing goes for movies.

    Like a cool idea i think would be an ipod or mp3 player with a built in service that costs 1-2$ a month that lets you download to the player a certain number (to unlimited) of songs and there is a license that lets you play that music as much as you want so long as the license is active.

    While my proposals arent the best. But the main point is the idea. Being able to reach a middle ground that will foster innovation and better products.

    Because I feel the reason a majority of people download is so they get some for nothing and cuz all the products are just too damn pricey. These alternative ideas that allows the consumer to obtain these products for cheap will hopefully lead to more prolific spending by us as we can get the products we want.

    Its also absurd for the entertainment industry to expect their products to be selling like hot cakes (cuz thats what they do expect, whenever the sales arent up to snuff they blame piracy). There are reasons why music sales would be up and down and the same for movies.

    A big reason we are being targeted so heavily is obviously the greed of these business men but also cuz of our callous attitude towards copyrighted works and those involved. For example, the take down notices that go unheeded (just look at the emails on TPB) are just proof of this fact. While i’ve already covered many points so far, but to really progress to making a legitimate case for file-sharing there should be some way to reimburse the copyright holders. Maybe using Ads to generate money that would donated to artists or something. Cuz face it, we are getting something for nothing and whenever thats the case, whenever equivalent exchange isnt adhered to, you know something wrong is happening. Just as the entertainment industry and their lawyers are innovating their methods to collect money from file-shares, we too must innovate our file-sharing technologies but also our mind set and eventually give back to artists that we enjoy because of our downloading. As a downloader, I feel there hasnt been an appropriate avenue to obtain music, movies, etc that matches the cost of the work to its real value. We need to get actively involved somehow to try and get these issues fixed. I see downloading as a form of civil disobedience right now. We dont have a way to be heard, right now all our ideas fall on deaf ears and go unheard.

    And now ive completely veered off course and went on a giant rant thats far removed from the main topic. However, I hope people read my post and it simulates flow of ideas. Cuz we are the consumer and we will be in a position of power to eventually fix the problems surrounded by this issue. If you agree or even disagree with things I’ve posted, please respond and we can discuss this in earnest. I tried to make points that would appeal to both sides, i hope i just didnt end up alienating myself from both.

  • mouse

    holy cr@p! did anyone read # 15?

  • Giggity0ne

    Did that just break a record for the longest comment ever?

    I was too late to see the brilliance of mininova…

  • crowhill

    @ 15

    Unemployed?? lota time on ur hands…lol…very long winded…i feel ur pain…

  • GrX

    very worried he can post that much lol without it saying waiting for approval

  • .

    as former users looked for alternative torrent sites with a wider variety illicit content

  • .

    Is that a DDOS attempt by the longest most repeated post ever?

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  • BoboLives

    @15 (and 17,18…etc) Nobody reads long posts. F’in nitwit.

  • Vuze-user

    #15 is an interesting read though. maybe you should all read a bit instead of acting like morons. It will do your brain good.

  • in.cog.nito

    mods, please perma-ip-ban #1

    it’s a shame to se them cave to BREIN as BRIEN will take this as a victory and continue to harass other torrent sites.

  • Brandon

    Brein and that ACS fag should get into bed together. They are both the real criminals stealing from the Real copyright holder…

  • grr

    RIP Mininova, you will be missed.

  • JabbaNaut

    @15 great post man! much appreciated putting your time and effort into that as @25 mentioned,i dont mind reading long posts either it shows the person feels strong about these subjects

  • JustAnudderNobody

    NE1 else find it amusing that Ernesto didn’t even bother linking to MiniNova’s site, like he usually does with articles about other sites?

  • Anonymous

    It used to be that torrent sites thought they were untouchable because they did not host any actual copyrighted material themselves. But the industry has dashed that idea somewhat. The industry was happy to sue lots of individuals why doesn’t every torrent site and cyber locker have a lawsuit against them?

    What actually motivated me to get involved in downloading was that I am very poor. However I loved computers and was finally able to afford one. The trouble was I had no money left for software. If MS sold their office suite for $50 I might have scraped up the $$ for it but $400 no way.

    What the hell good is a computer without software? So I dove into the warez scene. At first it was forums and ftp’s and temp http links. It was a lot work cause most links died quickly and to get status on a forum or access to special ftp’s required posting links and/or sharing with your own ftp.

    Being poor with a slow connection made an ftp out of the question. Then came torrents and Supernova and everything changed. It did not take long for torrents to catch on and forums and link searching became irrelevant.

    At first I did not have the speed or the space for most video but that has now also changed with massive cheap drives and good internet speed.

    Itunes always brags about their massive sales and I wonder who buys all their crappy rips? My brother who was introduced to the wonderful world of warez by me said if not for me would not know anything about torrents or what was available via torrents. He would probably be buying itunes cards if not for me.

    The point of this post is I wonder if the MPAA and RIAA are making too much noise over a small minority. The claimed losses are as we all agree almost nonexistent as anyone on this forum will attest that with or without torrents the community will find a way to share.

    I hate the artificial monopolies that copyrights have imposed. Imagine the amount of creativity that would exist if derivative works were allowed. What if we had ten Harry potter series by 10 different authors instead of being locked into the one written by JK Rowling?

    Copyrights and the current enforcement of such impedes creativity and cultural development at the expense of mostly 3rd party greed. I believe the world would be a much better place if the pursuit of the development of the human spirit was the goal instead of the pursuit of obscene amounts of material and wealth.

    The sad part of Mininova is that it completely turned its back on what it stood for and in essence became a traitor to the cause.

  • Anonymous

    Forcing one site into going down, eh? Innovation incoming. The sheer futility of trying to stop piracy rather than adapt to it (like some independent developers have) is akin to killing a swarm of flies with a steamroller.

  • elduka

    Well the colure of mininova caused me to come to this site looking for alternatives.

    and freaken dutch privateers

  • Ninja

    Oh come on Mr Kuik?^No grudges? You kept attacking Mininova till you completely destroyed them and had some ppl jobless. Good to see Mininova managed to stay alive even with this payment they had to make. You are disgusting Kuik =)

  • dg100

    Regarding Mininova: I only became a part of the torrenty world a few years ago and there were already better alternatives for my needs, so I didn’t get to see it in it’s salad days.

    It’s always a shame when something once good is lost to eternal mediocrity. Those of you reading who are former Mininova fans, you have my genuine sympathies.

    Rgarding long posts: I usually read them and appreciate when someone makes the effort to actually say something. We all have our personal preferences.

    @15, by TMM:

    By God’s magnificent violet teats! Someone who actually posts longer messages than I do! A student? Strange and dangerous drugs must surely be involved. If they’re not, they clearly ought to be. Why do I have the suspicion I’m being targeted for personal trolling service? :P

    Seriously, if my own overlong posts tick people off on TF, I sincerely apologise. I tend to suffer from severe and horrible insomnia – after several days without sleep, even my most unreasonably long-winded posts seem perfectly fine to me (and the lack of a preview-button doesn’t help, either). After I’ve had eight hours sleep and read it back, of course, the phrase “what the hell was I thinking” often springs to mind. I write at will and repent at leisure altogether too often.

    Currently, I’m on Day Three of No Sleep. You all may want to strap yourselves down to avoid injury from the inevitable convulsions caused by reading my reply to TMM. Or possibly, just, you know, skip to the end. :D

    Thanks for your post, TMM, you’ve given me things to think about and a thin excuse to witter on like a complete loony, something for which I’m always grateful. :)

    I do wish to expand on one point you made:

    They are just using these lawsuits to sway the mind of sheople. Pushing propaganda of how piracy is creating these massive damages and how millions of jobs are at risk

    There’s certainly some truth in this, although it’s a little more complicated in detail.

    Of late, I’ve been back working for a relatively mainstream music production company. I’m not particularly proud of the fact, but it has given me the chance to talk to a few more industry professionals, gauge everyone’s mood and find out a little bit more about what’s going on.

    Few people in the music business seem to think piracy is actually killing the industry – we’ve all seen it all before and it’s not going to do any more harm than it already has.

    The motivations for the various legal actions being taken are driven by several different perspectives.

    Foremost, I think, is the corporate and legal position: there are a lot of managers worried that if aren’t seen to be chasing file-sharers, they may end up being sued themselves, by the artists and by artists’ groups (such as the PRS in the UK), for not protecting their copyrights.

    While the current situation is largely of their own making, they are right to worry about this – I know too many musicians who are the kind of chancers who would do exactly that. The PRS definitely would.

    I currently have no direct access to the biggest companies (or to other industries), but I suspect this is the main motivation for the top players behind the RIAA, MPAA, etc. Where there’s money, there’s lawsuits, especially in the USA, where most of the lobbying and state corruption is coming from.

    The lobbyists and greedier management-types also hope that if they push hard enough, they may see laws created that allow them to simply extract money from internet users without actually having to do anything at all, other than file a claim. From a business perspective, I’m sure we can all see how they find the idea appealing.

    On the more individual level, the most prevalent anti-filesharing view seems to come from rights-holders who are right-wing control freaks: they feel they have the legal and moral right to control every possible line of distribution.

    Typically, this includes great resentment at the idea of anyone else determining a fair price for the works. These people generally resent the idea of retailers having any say in the matter, never mind consumers.

    Having decided that a CD is worth so much money, any other price is “taking the bread out of our mouths”. Concepts such as depreciation, or changing market conditions, are usually met with blank incomprehension.

    The second-most common reason for hate is stupidity: since I came back, there seems to be an increasing abundance of idiots who genuinely believe that one copy equals one lost sale. This surprised me, to be honest, but what can you do? Some people are natural-born cretins.

    Otherwise, the most common personal view appears to be driven by short-termist greed, as with the lobbyists: suing someone is potentially an easy way to make a lot of money in a relatively short time, for very little effort. As simple as that.

    (BTW, I don’t know any of the actual lobbyists directly involved in this lunacy, but my speculation is that they: (a) are greedy; (b) enjoy being regarded as pond-scum by the rest of civilisation. Lawyers are, of course, lawyers, although this is a debatable point of view when discussing Andrew Crossley)

    For my own part, I think that downloading from the internet has become the new television and radio. A gradually increasing number of households are becoming internet-only homes.

    We (meaning the industry) need to move on from the old days, accept that it’s a time of transition for us, accept that file-sharing isn’t going anywhere and start getting to grips with this new paradigm.

    We need to renegotiate all the old contracts so that we can endorse rather than wreck online distribution sites like Mininova (look, Ma, I’m on-topic, almost).

    There’s fundamentally no good reason why we can’t put good-quality music on a torrent-site along with advertising and sponsorship to bring the devoted listener to our own sites, where we could guarantee the highest-quality rips, first on the ‘net and transcoded directly from the original masters.

    This is very marketable stretegy if we have the will to do it – and not much of a stretch from what we do now with radio & CD.

    I also see no good reason why Hollywood can’t do the same thing with their products. At the end of the day, how many people would prefer a scene-rip over a perfected official release? Or a DCP scan over the original digital copy made by the publisher?

    While piracy would continue to some extent, few people would seriously argue with this approach.

    Children and impoverished students gets to hear good music for free. The devoted fan gets the best quality for a reasonable price. The sites get the resources they need to assure their futures and invest in improvement.

    The industry – at the very least – gets a future where we stay in business instead of driving away all our customers and future talent. We would also get a lot more money than we’re getting from file-sharing now, which is, obviously, nothing at all.

    With time and effort, we can even finally begin to regain something we are currently losing in gallons: the respect and goodwill of internet users everywhere.

    And to my mind, that’s a lot more important.

  • geez

    to all these LONG COMMENTS:

    TL;DR.

  • Anonymous

    I’ll post a short one than. Pirates have already won. I’ve seen some new beta projects, and it’s over Kuik.

  • Momba

    Way to take it up the rear!

  • Anonymous

    @33 You make some good points. I think very little will change– corporations are corrupt, that’s how it tends to be– but in the end maybe something will work out. Either that or we the pirates keep evolving. Hundreds of millions of people, most of them anonymous no less, cannot possibly lose this war… that’s if it’s not already over and in our favor before it begins.

  • Kittens

    i agree with #15! But considering how corrupt most large corporations are, it may never happen…

  • neostyles

    I disagree with the whole “hydra” idea. People who run torrent sites are not hardened criminals. No jail time has been given to the people behind torrent sites yet. Once the pirate bay founders are comfortably resting behind bars, the scene will realize that there are consequences for their actions and they won’t be nearly so anxious to create new sites or resurrect old ones.

  • dg100

    @39, by a Neostyles:

    If memory serves, the exact same thing has been claimed by copyright campaigners since the 1970s.

    It’s funny how it’s always the next verdict/fine/jail sentence that will magically turn the tide and make everyone realise the error of their ways. :D

  • Anonymous

    @39 TPB was huge and well-known though. And what about those who will step up when the first set (theoretically) are no longer in charge…?

  • no i am Chronoss

    @33 can you repeat that?

  • okokok

    Wow, just wow.

    TF you need to get a forum or maybe even a book company going or something. You got some authors in this comment section.

  • omg

    and yet 10 other hydra head popped up ….. you wasted time and money again brein … way to go noobs

  • Brandon

    At Long comment guy: Most people won’t read all that crap. You need to condense it to at least a small paragraph to get your point across. Hope this helps. If you write a book prob won’t read it either…

  • Cujo

    I did catch the part where TMM said he shared 2TB ;)

  • dg100

    @43, by Okokok:

    TF used to have a forum, but it seems to be long gone. There’s a link at the top of the page which leads to the TorrentFreak archive, which starts at November 2005.

    On the earlier pages, the old links to the disappeared forum are still at the bottom. There’s now just a rather sad error page where it used to be. I, for one, would be very pleased if they started another one.

    @ everyone blinking in disbelief at the long posts, including @45, by Brandon:

    I thank you sincerely for your honest opinions. I can’t speak for the poster @15, but personally, I’m well aware most people won’t read my longer rants.

    I write for the sake of it and because I am, quite frankly, unhinged (especially after four days without sleep) and feel the need to go mental here every now and again. I hope it doesn’t disturb any of you too much. If a few people do actually read it, it’s a pleasing bonus. :)

  • Fan

    lol seeing torrents with 1 seed and 2 seeds in mininova’s featured itself shows how bad their traffic is

  • tester errer

    @4 as far as i understood from what i read here , BREIN did it bey their own, TIn Kwik is quite a freak to nullify all the pirate of his country .

  • FlippantFrank

    Undisclosed amount. Great, just perfect.

  • Anonymous

    terrible decision :(

  • #15

    can you please summaries wats in post 15

  • silversurfer

    that sold out when thay got rid of there files thay was classed as copyright so this is no surprize

  • LOL

    Why are people writing Full essays on here….

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  • dg100

    @54, by LOL:

    Because we can. :)

  • RoestVrijStaal

    The admins had no choice, paying a settlement was the only smart option, because they also supported/uploaded disputable material: http://torrentfreak.com/lessons-the-next-big-torrent-site-will-learn-from-mininova-091130/

  • RoestVrijStaal

    Or…let me extend that, there WAS PROOF that they did that.

  • Kuiky Brein likes boys

    True story.

  • Will

    Cowards, glad I left!

  • RoestVrijStaal

    @58: Your nick make me laugh xD

  • Peter Kleissner

    @15 you are writing a lot lol

  • x10001000

    Mininova had already lost the war, so the fee must had been quite low. It would had been better if they had closed their doors right away to make a statement, but suppose they didn’t see it the same way.

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