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Newzbin2, the MPAA’s Usenet Enemy #1, Calls it Quits

After a long battle with the international arm of the MPAA, Usenet indexing site Newzbin2 has called it quits. The site had been operating under adverse conditions, not least almost total censorship by a court-ordered ISP blockade in the UK. Add to this a climate of fear driving individuals providing vital services away from the site, plus legal action against PayPal aimed at Newzbin2′s UK-based payment provider, and the site’s operators have decided to shut down.

While the newsgroup system has been running for years, in some ways it was the original Newzbin site that put Usenet binary downloading on the map of the masses.

The site created the NZB format, in basic terms .torrent files for newsgroups, which massively simplified the downloading of files from Usenet. This new-found ease of use attracted many to the previously difficult and inaccessible system and helped to kick-start a wave of Usenet indexing sites.

The subsequent popularity of Newzbin was not appreciated by the MPA, who sued the site’s operators. The action proved ruinous and in May 2010 left the site with debts of anywhere between £500K and £700K, depending on whose estimates you believe.

But through all the misery came a ray of light for the site’s former users. Newzbin was to be resurrected by a team of hackers called Team R Dogs, of which Mr White was the most public-facing.

Although the site did come back as Newzbin2, things were not going to be easy. The MPA, who were stinging that the site they had killed had somehow reanimated, began legal action to have the site blocked at the ISP level in the UK.

After much wrangling, October 26 2011 Justice Arnold at the High Court handed down a written judgment to BT, one of the UK’s largest Internet service providers. It ordered the company to block subscriber access to Newzbin2 within two weeks.

Newzbin2 responded with an encrypted software client to circumvent the ban which did go some way to getting users back on the site, but the MPA still weren’t done and continued pressing for more ISP blocks.

In the end, all of the UK’s major Internet providers were blocking the site and with the growing threat of domain seizure, Newzbin2 took the decision to switch to a Spanish .es domain.

For months now the site has continued, albeit in a more subdued fashion, but behind the scenes things have not been running to plan.

“Our servers have been unstable and crashing on a regular basis meaning the NZBs & NFOs are unavailable for long periods and we don’t have the money to replace them,” the site said in a closure statement a few hours ago.

In addition to its computing power, Newzbin2 and its predecessor have always relied on human beings to find interesting files on Usenet and bring them to the attention of the site’s users. But perhaps understandably, the adverse news surrounding the site has driven these people away. After all, who wants to become shooting practice for the MPA?

When TorrentFreak spoke with Mr White after Team R Dogs first took over the site, he made something very clear to us – his team were reviving Newzbin, not for the fun of it, but for the money. But now, more than two years later, it appears that particular plan won’t come to fruition.

“The figures just don’t stack up. Newzbin1 was said to have had 700,000 registered users. In fact that was the total number of people who ever signed up in the history of Newzbin from 2000 onwards & only a fraction were active, loads of people dropped out & went to other sites,” Team R Dogs reveal.

“We reckon they had about 100,000 users and of those only a few 10′s of thousands paid premium topups. That still made good money for the Newzbin1 guys. We don’t have much more than about 40,000 active users and the number of premium users is in the small thousands. It costs much more to run than we bring in, it just doesn’t stack up,” they add.

Team R Dogs also say that bringing back Newzbin after it was taken down didn’t sit well with the conspiracy theorists who spread the rumor that the site was an MPA trap.

“That stung us bad and we never got the userbase back,” they say.

And the money woes don’t stop there. We’ve reported recently how all kinds of file-sharing sites and services have been experiencing problems with PayPal and other forms of payment processing, and apparently Newzbin2 have had extreme difficulties too. All of their payment providers have withdrawn their services and the site now reveals that there was also a fresh legal attack.

“The MPA sued Paypal and are going at our innocent payment provider Kthxbai Ltd in the UK. Our other payment provider has understandably lost their nerve. Result? We have no more payment providers to offer & no realistic means of taking money – no, Bitcoin isn’t credible as it’s just too hard for 90% of people,” Team R Dogs conclude.

In its farewell speech the site protests that it was always 100% DMCA compliant and has taken down content when asked to, but none of that would have been good enough for the MPA. They have spent a huge amount of money on both the current site and its predecessor and it was never likely they were simply going to forget about it.

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  • MAFIAA CONTROLS THE NET

    In summary:
    1. Bitcoin cant sustain a business (oh wow surprise)
    2. The “Newzbin2 going down…Fuck it, 10 will appear and take its place” theory is wrong (just like for cyberlocker, left with idiot amateurs and over-night administrators from India [no offence, but some of you guys are complete fucktarded and shouldn't even go near a computer with your scamming intents])
    3. MPAA is still at force and making UK a muppet-show (Fuck Judge Arnold fyi)
    4. Content sharing is being withheld as MPAA likes an old dinosaur model
    5. Find a provider that won’t give in, but somehow will feel the financial havoc from the MPAA…You find me one that will give them the middlefinger as all adheres to Mastercard and Visa who will in turn give YOU the middlefinger and shut down your processing & business.

    There’s no winning. Perhaps in the next few years there will be a solution. Right now there isn’t any.

    • cgimusic

      Of course Bitcoin can sustain a business. It would just have to be a business targeted at technical people not the masses.

      • http://www.technollama.co.uk/ Andres

        And a Usenet indexing site is not technical enough for you?

        • cgimusic

          It is not really. I have a lot of friends who don’t really know anything about Bitcoins who use Usenet. As much as we like to think filesharing is an exclusive little world for the technical elite, everyone from my parents to 10 year olds can use BitTorrent and Usenet.

        • Gee

          technical enough? WTF are you talking about… Its not “technical” at all

        • http://twitter.com/StacyPa27309396 Stacy Parker

          just putting some fancy pictures into a Dreamweaver template. http://youtube.qr.net/jOj8/watch?v=nEBGC62pjwA

      • Mcgravier05

        I say it isnt because its technical – cell phone wallet, or instawallet are quite easy to use – the matter is not bitcoin itself but amount of effort you need to go trough in order to get bitcoins in the first place. Makeing account on exchange, then exchanging, then sending btc to your addres… Additionally still btc is known only to few, but it will change in time.

        • PiRat

          It’s only technical if you’re dumb.

          Regarding the article, they’re pussies.

      • Anon

        I can use it easily to donate to file sharing. Bit Coin is EASY. People are lazy. So while the techies continue as normal (using new but more complex technology) the masses will need to revert to the high street and legitimate strangled online options. So? We started it the masses are not needed 99% of them are just leachers anyway. So fuck them and the people trying to make money from sharing. The sooner we revery to hobbyist mode and bin this lot of leachers the better! They brought the heat on us not us!

      • MAGIKK WAND aka ALEX BONES

        when I use to use (DOT).nzbs their was a strong and hostile Behavior toward P2P….especially against TPB
        WHOS THE COWARD NOW ?! haa
        LONG LIVE TPB!!!

    • Gargamel

      In summary:

      1. Fuck any “business” that profits from file-sharing and warez.

      2. Your an idiot. More will pop up.

      3. The MPAA agreed is a force in the UK because the UK Government has been the United States lapdog since Tony Blair.

      4. Content is not being withheld, your just doing it wrong.

      5. I’m on a provider like this, you just have to live in a country that isn’t the United States bitch.

      • Hogspace

        1. Fuck any “business” that profits from file-sharing and warez.

        That I agree with. Sharing has to be free or revenue neutral.
        Indexing sites should be moving to something like an OpenNIC .pirate domain. Keep the site data size tiny with virtual hosting and lots of mirrors. Like, errr, TPB.

        It would be very nice if people would walk away from Google, Facebook, PayPal and eBay completely. I’d very much like to see some Open Source “Not for Profit” alternatives to those, not based in the USA and hardened against the Copytheft lobby.

        • Anyone

          then make one

        • Hogspace

          I’m far too lazy to become a code monkey

        • Gee

          I disagree, If someone builds a service that people actually WANT and use, they put their own personal time into maintaining it, then they very well deserve to make some profit. Making a indexer involves more than just putting some fancy pictures into a Dreamweaver template.

        • Hogspace

          Making money from facilitating copyright circumvention is unacceptable and a path to jail. And just wrong.
          Which is not to deny copyright law is also wrong headed and should also be attacked.

        • Abiogenesis

          Re: Gee
          So, by your logic, if someone creates something that people actually want (say, a movie, or some music, or a game), they they deserve to get paid for it. I think there might already be some cognitive dissonance here.

        • Gee

          I will happily pay for a movie/tv-show SERVICE, when they get their shit together and don’t window every god-damn thing, and distance themselves from their profit-per-copy model.

        • Hogspace

          I happily pay a Russian service a cost per album what iTunes expect for 2 tracks. I consider the cost for digital signals and their work in maintaining the excellent service is fair. A fair model is embedded for Bands enlightened enough to revenue share. But that’s not a revenue model 70 y/o pseudo rockers would accept.

        • Get-a-clue

          Doubt they were “making money”, costs need to be covered too, you know?

        • Pelham123

          Hogspace: Google and Youtube “make money from facilitating copyright circumvention.” So does Comcast NBC Universal.

          So-called “copyright circumvention” is the only thing the Internet does. It’s the only thing your browser does.

          I appreciate rightsholders’ dilemma, but either we recognize that facilitation of passing on something created by another should not be defined as “circumvention” or “piracy,” or we ban the Internet. There is no middle ground.

        • Hogspace

          I agree somewhat. The copytheft industry believes the internet should be destroyed and turned into a intranet under their control.
          I’d rather watch them bury their children.

      • Giles

        *You’re

      • Rekrul

        1. Fuck any “business” that profits from file-sharing and warez.

        Let’s see you put up a site like Newzbin and pay for it out of your own pocket…

      • midimaker78@mac.com

        Strike 1/ Your an idiot.
        Strike 2/ Seedboxes galor in the torrent world
        Strike 3/ Sites encourage donations
        You’re out/ Uploaders pay for scene access

      • Wordup

        2. Your an idiot. More will pop up.

        You’re

      • Bla

        1. Fuck any “business” that profits from file-sharing and warez.

        Have to pay the bills somehow. Bandwidth and hardware ( and defending from lawsuits ) isn’t free. Getting a few bucks leftover for doing a public service isn’t all that bad either.

    • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

      Did you have any problem getting your file today?
      Most active file sharers had absolutely no problem downloading
      what they wanted today……

    • Mom

      > There’s no winning.

      Uhm… are we on the same Internet? Because, on my Internet, any content I can think of (copyrighted or not) is still just a google search away and readily available. What exactly is your metric for “winning”?

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        I’m wondering the same.

        Of course, according to the pro-copyright crowd, one site closing down means they break out the champagne and scream “MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!” at the top of their lungs.

        Feel free to insert an image of GWB on an aircraft carrier here.

        There will always be at least one person who believes in the hyperbole.

  • WhereYouAtHomie

    @TF & ALL
    i know this doesn’t pertain to the article but…
    Does anyone happen to know why TPB has been down last day and a half?
    It cant just for me, as Just-Ping and DownOrNot both show 100% packet loss.

    • Halloway

      TPB is working fine for me.

    • McCheezits

      Maybe it’s just your connection – I can connect to TPB with relative ease right now.
      I checked the Pirate Bay’s domain name here, and the site reported that TPB was down three hours ago (at the time I posted this comment)

    • Aomrtbag

      I think you’re blocked by your ISP m8.

      Same thing happened to, but surprise-surprise I used a proxy and everything is working fine.

    • ScrewEwe2

      I’ve had no problems whatsoever since they went down a month or so ago, so you must be blocked by your ISP or it’s DNS.

      • WhereYouAtHomie

        Found the problem it was my DNS, even though I’m using opennic and blockaid together, guess one of them is getting isn’t able to connect.

        • http://www.blockaid.me/ BlockAid DNS

          There is no point using us together. BlockAid supports OpenNic domains already. If you want the benefits of both OpenNic and BlockAid, then I suggest you just use our configuration.

          FYI, the reason tpb doesn;t work is because you’re using ssl. We can’t support ssl because we don’t own the tpb domain and therefore cannot issue recognised ssl certificates. It should work fine if you use our settings alone and normal http.

        • WhereYouAtHomie

          @BlockAid
          yea, thats fine i have everything to default to ssl when available, which id rather keep.
          There’s nothing wrong with using both either, especially in the event that i cant connect to one for any reason.

  • Dude

    The Tribler team will create a new filesharing system, it will take some time but its impossible to monitor..Not 1 damn thing to stop it. Fuck off mpaa also.
    http://forum.tribler.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2121

    • WhereYouAtHomie

      I actually tried out Tribler a little while ago, its a pretty nice app already, adding torrents seems to take a bit of time and i cant really get many peers for some reason, but it has definite potential.

    • McCheezits

      The way you wrote this comment sounds like how one of my friends (IRL) talks.

      Anyway, any new (encrypted) filesharing mechanism(s) is/are great news, especially right now during this time of trouble and uncertainty over rights on the Internet.

  • TrueNorth

    sigh the end of an another ERA

  • 123

    Compared to other sites newzbin2.es just wasn’t good enough anymore. Thats what got them killed, nothing else.

    • 456

      Which sites would those be?

      • Midas

        binsearch.info / nzbindex.nl

        • DutchGuest

          Those are generalised NZB sites that don’t really help unles you know scene group names and/or their tagging structure, or if you’re lucky and an uploader uses a movie/music/software/game’s real name…
          But if you use a file’s real name, chances are takedowns will be sent to the usenet providers before the upload is even complete.

        • Brave

          More often than not the reports are tagged with standardized filenames, but yes, it can be tricky navigating the binaries at times.

          Of course a quick trip to google can often reveal the exact name of the scene release if it isn’t something apparent.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        For one thing, many secondary providers offer integral tools which fulfill many of the indexing functions. newzbin2 was losing it’s market niche to begin with.

        • myarse

          What are these, genuinely interested as I’ve only really used Newzbin and now I’m at a bit of a loss.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          @myarse

          “What are these, genuinely interested as I’ve only really used Newzbin and now I’m at a bit of a loss.”

          Giganews, for instance, offers a client as part of the service, which should solve your browsing/indexing problems for you. Most tier 1 and some tier 2 providers do include a client and browsing/indexing functionality.

          You would probably like to google a bit on usenet clients and what search features the various packages have to offer.

  • Stevemccawsky

    Sad day for Usenet as a whole, they will not be forgotten for what they’ve contributed to the community. May their spirit live on though nzbindex and usenetstorm etc

  • Guest

    it really is a shame, for people like me who dont really understand it all, but could figure out how to use Newzbin2 its a shame to know now where to move (not to mention lost monies in the site).

    now what is someone like me to use? how do we know if the website is safe or not.. :(

  • 1hhh1

    Another one bites the dust!and another one’s ready for it’s comeback!

  • Dondilly

    Zero gain to the MPA, the NZB file format will live on and if push comes to shove, could be posted to .nzb newsgroups associated with common binary groups (along with other index sites).

    I never really understood the MPA obcession and over hyping newzbin as to get any use of nzb files you still need access to a good quality newsfeed. NZB is nothing more than a convenience. Even if they could wave a magic wand and erradicate all nzb files, the underlying binaries are still accessable.

  • Sorry Bout Your Damn Luck

    nzbs.org is god.

    • Barrie_cooper

      So how do I get an invitation to join?

      • Caveman_nick

        yeah, what he ^^ says, how on earth does one get in there?

        • Fkingdoms

          I’d like to know too …….

    • http://twitter.com/happyizpunjai happy

      Since most inv come through emails happysingh9292@gmail.com
      Plz hook a true bro up.

  • Anonymous

    forgetting about everything else the really sad thing is that the entertainment industries are shutting down every site they possibly can, regardless of being legitimate or not. they are doing so with the blessing of politicians who benefit greatly, financially, by those industries maintaining their hold by preventing any type of innovation. they are not opening competing sites either; they are not listening to anyone other than their lawyers (who, like politicians, benefit greatly financially). maybe the site in question does have infringing files but i bet there are plenty of non-infringing files as well. look at the complete screw up over Mega. what is the difference here? if they were giving legitimate alternatives to ‘free’, it wouldn’t be so bad and people could understand but to give nothing back is ridiculous. the industries need to start competing instead of going down the Apple route of suing everyone they can. look at the number of people that speak out against that practice now.

  • Cleandump

    newzbin2 had great pron, I will miss it

    • Brave

      Sadly that’s my thought as well, I had long since moved on from newzbin2′s paid service to indexing sites (binsearch, a few places that group reports from binsearch), but did still enjoy newzxxx2.ch’s free service.

      I was generally aware of releases of normal content I was interested in, but never paid attention to anything porn unless it popped up on newbin.

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  • JordanKratz

    I asked before but I do really think that torrentfreak should help out and do a News Story on Bitcoin and other ways of paying for stuff on the Internet other than using hated paypal poop.

  • Guest

    Only had 30 days credit left, at least they had the decency to shut down *before* the annual half-price christmas sale.

  • IRDavidCameron

    I don’t mind paying for a service.
    RS, Giganews, NZBM, NZBN, SCC, all of them got my money.
    I still can’t pay to watch the simpsons on the night legally.
    Who do I give my money to?
    Is itunes better than what or waffles? It is in it’s fuck. Shame they aren’t P2L too…
    Maybe I should save my money, and give 250,000 pounds for a meal with the prefect gangsters?
    All the manicured mannequins and cannibals in suits, they’ll take your fucking money too…

  • Ino

    Newzbin2 will be missed, was a member from when they started and I feel like that was the best index-site that I’ve ever used.. One can only hope there will be a third.. Either way, on to finding a new one I guess, If I ever find one, hate Torrents btw, most downloaded things weren’t what they were named, if you know what I mean. And not to mention virusses etc.. Newzbin~ Was always clean for me, from Games to Movies. It’s a shame. :/

    Greetings,
    Ino

    • Waxzqedv

      trusted uploader, scene release and read comments
      simple as, bro :)

      using torrents for almost 6 years, never got a fake.

  • Wobblymatt

    Best site ever has gone :(
    A sad day indeed.
    Thanks Newzbin for many years of pleasure ;)

  • JoBobDing

    I personally find it VERY sad that they would jsut throw in the towel like that. Vary sad indeed!

    ut-privacy.tk

  • Who

    FUCK the MPAA!!

    like Ive said in other posts, they break the LAW just the same.

    the WORLDS justice system is CORRUPTED!

    TRUE intellectual property rights apparently don’t apply to them.

    FUCK the DMCA, its in direct violation of the US constitution!!

    MPAA is sue paypal? under what grounds?

  • Snitch

    hey MAFIAA check out nzbmatrix.com

    • shut up

      fuck you dude, stop calling attn to everything good

      • Gfhjwfhh

        If you think they don’t already know about nzbmatrix (or any other major usenet site), you’re an idiot.

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  • Anon

    They should open source all the code behind the service.

    Then Newzbin would never die, no matter what the MPAA does in the future.

  • Jmorse43508

    I had around 50 days credit left. It was probably a good thing I decided not to top up.

    I wasn’t really using Newzbin all that much; most of the time when I want to download from Usenet I just to go Binsearch.

    And there are plenty of alternatives anyway.

    • Wobblymatt

      As an editor I have 3 yrs credit left!

      • evilhugbear

        Ya, I was around 1200-1300 days at the most as an editor. But I had to go to casualEd because I didn’t have time anymore.

        Sad to see it go. I do hope they open source the code, so other sites like them will pop up.

        • Wobblymatt

          @evilhugbear I hope so too… As Newzbin2 supposedly “hacked” the code from Newzbin ;)
          I’ll have to try and help another .nzb site.

  • http://gear-mentation.myopenid.com/ Gear Mentation

    We Reeeeeeeally need something better than bitcoin, or an improved bitcoin.

  • dwpbike

    i always wanted to do newzbin, just couldn’t figure out how to do it for free

  • JoBobDing

    Wow man, thats not cool at all. Jsut throw in the towel? Not good man.
    anon-ib.tk

  • Szchifo

    we all pay for usenet (pay isp and usenet provider) so why don’t the MPAA et al ask these people making cash from the so called abuse of usenet for a % of the revenue generated.

  • hiogio
  • chronoss

    this site makes my pc lag badly …scanning people i see
    not solid

  • BenJeremy

    Honestly, I was using nzbmatrix more these days anyway, since there was more user commentary of late. The only downside is the integration with my SABNZBD server doesn’t handle categories like newzbin2 did, so I need to make sure I set the category when I send something to be downloaded.

    Of course, the way things are going, we will be relegated to very private forums to get NZBs within the next 5 or 6 years. Shame media companies have discovered USENET. They are already dispatching many binaries as they are being uploaded, even… sending deletion messages to propagate through the system, leading to incomplete posts.

    Make no mistake… it’s a war, and the enemy is getting more sophisticated and persistent.

    • me

      “Make no mistake… it’s a war, and the enemy is getting more sophisticated and persistent.”

      Of course it’s a war. And we hackers are constantly adapting. That’s the way it should be. There’s nothing like good ole adversity from the MAFIAA and their sock puppet governments to keep us on our toes and technically at the bleeding edge. We’re quickly becoming the multi-resistant bacteria that no big-entertainment antibiotics will ever eliminate, no matter how much they try.

      Let the good fight continue.

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  • Wobblymatt

    As an ex Newzbin editor can anyone help me to find the best Usenet search engine?
    Newzbin’s Usenet “cond” and “raw” search engines were top.
    Binsearch is like Newzbin”s Usenet “raw” search but lacks the filters etc…
    HELP!

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