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PirateBox Takes File-Sharing Off The Radar and Offline, For Next To Nothing

When confronted with a doomsday scenario where mainstream online file-sharing becomes a thing of the past, it’s not uncommon for people to refer to days gone by, when files were swapped freely offline using discs and other mediums. Now, an interesting and compact system can deliver the [g]olden days of data swapping with a modern twist, by turning any open space into a wireless and anonymous file-sharing system at a rock-bottom price.

pirate box logoWith the advent of the personal computer and with it the ability to endlessly copy data, the human desire to share has skyrocketed. Shifting data from A to B, wherever those points may be on a global scale, is now something easily achieved by billions across the world.

While the immense capabilities of the Internet has made sending and receiving data child’s play, there are others who find the transfer of bits and bytes across much shorter distances just as fascinating.

In 2009 we reported on the Kiosk of Piracy, an offline copy of The Pirate Bay accessible via local WiFi. Although a neat little project, the Kiosk was in one specific location in Germany, meaning anyone out of range would not be able to access it. But now a cool little tool means that anyone, anywhere, can offer a similar file-sharing service for just a few dollars.

Inspired by the local transmitting power of traditional pirate radio, NYU art professor David Darts created the PirateBox, a WiFi hotspot and server providing easy and anonymous access to the files held within.

In a previous incarnation (see below) the PirateBox – which utilized a full-size wireless router and a USB stick for storage – was housed in a fairly cumbersome metal lunchbox.

piratebox
The whole thing cost around $100 to build, a not unreasonable price considering the features, but a new breakthrough update (thanks Numerama) means that not only is its physical footprint massively reduced, but also its cost. Depending on the amount of storage space required for files, for less than $50 anyone can now run a PirateBox wireless file-sharing system.

The huge price cut has been made possible by using new hardware, specifically the TP-LINK TL-MR3020 3G Wireless N Router, available from Newegg at just $39.99. Once obtained, all people have to do is follow the PirateBox installation instructions here, insert a USB stick full of files and power on. As can be seen below, it looks rather good.

The PirateBox

example of a pirate box

Users wirelessly accessing the device are presented with a web interface which allows them not only to download files but upload them too. No logs or other identifying information is stored in the device.

Although great for anyone to share files within its range, considering the pressure currently being applied to university students by record labels and their anti-piracy partners, the chances of music-stuffed PirateBoxes popping up on campuses all around the world increases every day.

And considering that The Pirate Bay can now fit on the smallest of USB sticks, every PirateBox could also contain a copy of the world’s most famous torrent site.

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  • Nailgun

    haha track that shit feds.

    • Anonymous

      Problem is, you can trace back who owns the wireless router/HDD because you paid using your credit/debit card or PayPal. Use cash when you can. ;)

      You can also locate the wireless router because the signal gets stronger the closer you get.

      You’re fucked when some a-hole reports your little PirateBox to the cops and they find it filled with warez (unless all it contains is legal content you purchased). You’re not legally obliged to password protect your router, are you?

      It’s not a foolproof idea and likely to get you into a lot of trouble if you haven’t taken proper precautions. Stay safe!

      • JustAnotherAnon

        Someone has not heard of pre paid visa cards.

        • PXG

          Pretty hard to pick them up in Europe

        • Anyone

          there are some anonymous options in Europe

        • Anonymous Coward

          @PXG 3V visa pre-paid cards are available for those in UK, Ireland, and Holland

        • http://twitter.com/zedaxis Steve Smith

          prepaid credit cards can be tracked, use non-sequencial cash notes, most stores register the credit cards, and use cameras, might as well paint a target on your back asking for the feds to find you.

        • Desu75

          You can get some anonymous cards from the TOR darknet. Check the list wiki.

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          Steve, that is getting a little to the ‘need a tin foil hat’ size now.

        • OMGWTFBBQ

          Lol, why you all acting like you live in a police state. How many cops have you seen looking at peoples wifi signals? How is your box going to get complaints from the mpaa? They cant monitor this.

      • Ego Boy

        Bitcoins are perfect for these kinds of transactions.

        • I Hate Disqus

          Can you give me a link to a retailer that takes Bitcoins? It needs to be a place I can go buy stuff in person, because if I were to buy over the Internet, providing shipping info would tend to ruin the anonymity.

        • I Hate Disqus

          Can you give me a link to a retailer that takes Bitcoins? It needs to be a place I can go buy stuff in person, because if I were to buy over the Internet, providing shipping info would tend to ruin the anonymity.

        • I Hate Disqus

          Can you give me a link to a retailer that takes Bitcoins? It needs to be a place I can go buy stuff in person, because if I were to buy over the Internet, providing shipping info would tend to ruin the anonymity.

        • It’s a fit-up

          @I Hate Disqus
          There aren’t any, that’s why Bitcon is a world of fail.

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          It’s, there was no one who took credit cards when they were first invented as well.

          It takes years for a new payment method to catch on.

        • Guest

          @It’s a fit-up

          There aren’t… yet. Bitcoin is ‘just starting’. People are always crying for alternatives to Paypal, etc, but when they have they are too afraid of changing.

        • Michael Jensen

          There are resellers that you can email a newegg shopping cart list to, and pay in bitcoins. They’re quite a few services like this actually. I think there’s one for amazon too.

      • Anonymous

        Out of curiosity, I wonder if it would be possible to include a fail safe physical button to encrypt the storage if needed.

        • Nope McNoperson

          All you need is to encrypt the underlying filesystem. As files are uploaded and added to the FS, they are encrypted. All you need is a button to shut the computer down, and everything would be unreadable.

        • Fuckoffanddie

          you could double the cost of the device and use an iron key usb stick

        • Michael Jensen

          Um… the whole point is to have a wifi file system that anyone can access… so as soon as it comes back on… it’s back up and running… you don’t want to have to go find where you hid the thing and type in a password every time it needs to be rebooted do you?

        • harce

          encrypting the FS does the trick, most pigs operate based on manuals which require them to turn of any obtained computers and so your FS get’s secured by the police. (that’s the case in my jurisdiction anyways). if they are not required to do so, make sure they’ll pull the plug when taking down the equipment and your sorted.

          sh*t will get serious when they start calling in bomb squads to combat pirates :D

      • http://profiles.google.com/rgautier Rich Gautier

        Setting up a PirateBox with no initial content on it isn’t a crime (yet). And since it doesn’t contain logs of who uploaded what and when (hell, it doesn’t even HAVE authentication for normal use) – how it’s used is up to the community, not the owner.

        Now, with that said – how do you know when you log into one of these and upload something that you aren’t logging into a Cop-box rather than a Pirate-box?

        Be careful out there.

        • ninja

          It seems like the law also doesn’t care who put the files there, just who’s “hosting” them. Wasn’t that the argument for taking down tpb in the beginning? That they were “hosting” the files?

          Obviously they weren’t actually hosting them but the authorities still forged ahead.

          And then take a look at MegaUpload, how many movies or albums do you think the founders uploaded onto their server? Certainly not even a small percentage of the available data.

          tl;dr I think the cops don’t really give a fuck how the data got there, just who’s holding the source of it.

        • Goest

          yet offering a service without keeping logs is unlawfull in many countries now

        • Anonymous

          @ Goest
          That’s if you are providing a service to others. All you’re doing is setting up a wireless storage device for yourself as far as anyone else is concerned. The fact that its also accessible by everyone else too is coincidental. An example, a radio playing in your own home that’s loud enough for people to hear outside isn’t considered a public performance even if you were playing it loud enough for the public at large to hear (although you could always get in trouble for noise violations, but I digress).

          Some US cities have free wireless internet available across a large area. If you could add in some storage devices to that wireless network you could have a city-wide publicly available file storage/sharing. I’m sure it would never happen, but it still sounds awesome.

      • Anonymous

        That is why you put the box in a cash security locker at a train station or something. Lets go Bourne-pirates.

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        • Legion

          A train station locker with AC power?

        • Desu75

          Not only no power. But the metal locker will probably kill your signal. On top of that they probably check them every few days. I doubt they have enough lockers to allows you to keep them indefinitely. They are dying off anyways. Trains stations rarely have lockers anymore.

      • Anom

        actually you are fucked when some a-hole report piratebox to cops then they will optain search warrents search your place find your little box there then they just go online to that boxl, to see what is stored inside then you will be charged for distributing stuff and will in worst case go to jail… atleast in some countries this kind thinks mighty happen so why in hell risk it… if still wanna do this but get caugh ideal would just make battery run version then story this to coin locket capinet for example universitys etc. just makesure that locked capinent does not have kind security cameras that can see you when put something there.

        • Guest

          then it would be impossible to proof that it was you but think there just makesure that nobody sees it when put it there and then battery think… other places where this mighty work would be public places but hidden…like tree. or apartments roof area….but dont store them in places where someone can see you when put it or if you own that area…. if its public area so that anyone can go there then it does not matter who owns it will impossible to proof that it was you.. they mighty find fingerprint on it use gloves when handling and installing that stuff.. in event they do find fingerprint they still need find that person that it belongs if have given your finger prints like for pass card or you have criminal record then they can track you down, in most bio pass cards that use finger print think you dont give your all fingers print so using gloves when handling it should be enough then also remember to clean product with some one use paper so that any proofs that mighty have gone do it is gone…

          i dont say this will 100% safe and you will not be get caught… biggest risk is if you go to uythat box and change batterys i recommend that you dont change battery… i can give 99.9 % but there is never 100 % and if you install it dont tell anyone that it was you.

        • Anon

          You put it in a public place and I will be first to steal it.

      • Retaliator

        The paid troll from the entertainment industry above had not heard about deep encryption.

        Beside that I am going to get this box and carry it around along my Glock-17 and my 5X30 rounds magazines. I am trained.

        Try me.

        • Anonymous

          COME AT ME BRO

        • Tom

          Yeah, trained at ballet. I thinking you have a few more issues to worry about than hard disk encryption.

      • Anarket

        Yeah but if you go somewhere where wifi already is, like a McDonalds or something like that in a small area, the signal should be the same I would think.

      • Anonymous

        format when cops arrive !!

      • Tsunku

        even if you purchase the legal content, you still do not own it. only if you create the legal content can you assert ownership over it. as for the rest, get a schematic for a wireless router and build your own! what this era needs is heathkit!

      • Anonymous

        You can often find used, perfectly openwrt-able, routers at flea markets. Save the planet AND share freely :-)

      • Guest

        Bitcoins.
        Ukash.
        Paysafecard.
        Pre paid VISA.

        • http://www.valvenews.net/ Jeremy Davis

          Shipping address….?

          DOH!

      • Thomas van Amerongen

        Why would you transmit the SSID? you know your SSID signal name, dont you? How to track back an anonymous signal?

        • Guest

          Change MAC address of AP.

      • Michael Jensen

        Anyone can anonymously upload. Who says the owner is responsible for what others are doing with their equipment without express permission?

      • Fbiowner

        For god saking, think before talking…

    • http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

      Track what, exactly?

      • Tom

        A little shitty box with a shitty wireless connection and a crap download upload speed and 20 or so teenagers sitting around it.

        Screw the Kim Dotcoms and the Pirate Bays this is what the feds should really be concerned with…

        • http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

          Oh, youre being sarcastic. For a minute there I thought you were serious :)

        • Guest

          Anon, Tom, etc = MAFIAA trolls

        • Tom

          @Guest
          Sorry to upset your single zeitgeist conspiracy theory brain cell but I have nothing to do with MAFIAA. I’m just a person that has a problem with bad arguments and propaganda.

          Also, I’m somewhat of an ex pirate who can see the damage that my rampant piracy was doing and decided that it was time to grow up. Just because someone has a problem with piracy doesn’t somehow mean that they are affiliated with MAFIAA. You’ll find that many educated people over the age of 30 find piracy a problem.

        • Anonymous

          “Also, I’m somewhat of an ex pirate who can see the damage that my rampant piracy was doing and decided that it was time to grow up. Just because someone has a problem with piracy doesn’t somehow mean that they are affiliated with MAFIAA. You’ll find that many educated people over the age of 30 find piracy a problem.”

          Many educated people over the age of 30 also believe in creationism, that one race is better than another and in the “my country, right or wrong” philosophy. That is not a good reason.

          Now, science, backed by empirical evidence has already falsified the claim that piracy is harmful many times over. That places far more weight than any personal opinion, no matter how many you know which claim they’re out of a job because of “pirates”. Technological progress has always rendered one middleman industry obsolete while opening doors for a new one. That’s the way things go.

          Now if piracy could actually do harm then I would be very happy indeed. Imho, the entire concept of “Intellectual Property” is as insidious and dangerous as organized religion – a myth which allows yet another class of priest to herd the sheeple towards a collection box they’re told they need to pay for the sake of the artists, the economy and human society in general.

          Fact of the matter is, IP is cracking at the seams in all areas as badly as communism started doing in the 80′s. It may stick around for a while longer but that paradigm will break. When it does we may all get pulled down by shortsighted fools who decided imaginary “property” was a good investment.

          You are either putting up strawmen, arguing from a “Locke’s Madman” hypothesis, or simply trolling.

          To start with, “growing up” means you start seeing the world as it is, not the way it ought to look like. You aren’t doing that.

        • Tom

          Using what I said as a reason to bash religion seems a bit juvenile.

          “Now, science, backed by empirical evidence has already falsified the claim that piracy is harmful many times over.”

          Science has done no such thing. Please try not to make such a claim without at least backing it up with some actual evidence. To my knowledge, there haven’t been any truely scientic investigations into the effects of piracy and I very much doubt that we would ever see it. It would be pointless to do so. all you need is a bit of common scence and honesty to realise that piracy is damaging.

          I found an interesting poll about it’s effects on the home page of the following torrent site.

          http://www.torrentfunk.com/ (Screenshot has already been posted on another site and confirmed before you all go in to skew the results).

          You may be correct that age and education does not mean much to this discussion. It is, however, important to the individual who can look back at their previous opinions and behaviour and realise how juvenile and imature they were. I’m sure that there are many ex pirates who think that way. It would be interesting to find stats on the average age of pirates. I’m guessing that 14 to 22 year olds make up the majority.

          I’m sure that you feel rather special refering to the logical fallacy of a strawman argument. In future would suggest that you use it in the correct context where it actually applies.

  • JoJo

    How much would it cost to pay some one to create this kind of product? And is there a place on the internet where people could buy this as one product?

    • Trespass

      I’ll bet someone will build and sell them on Ebay, just like the Cmoy headphone amps.

    • Anonymous

      It’s not that hard to build it yourself. :)

      All you have to do is upload new firmware and configure some settings.

      Afterwards you feel like a true hacker….

      • The Egg

        All I see is a Newegg link. The whole world doesn’t live in the US you know.

        • CLL

          The whole world that doesn’t live in the US is usually smart enough to know how to search for a product that is on a site local to their own country.

        • Anyone

          http://skinflint.co.uk/eu/697333

          there you go, for (some of) the EU

        • Kaiser

          That router is also available at http://compsoul.com though its a higher rate than newegg but they ship all around best yet they accept different payments including bitcoin which they discount shipping and the price for. I usualy use bitcoin with them. I bought bitcoin when it was around a $2.60 so It would end up very cheap for me if i decided to buy the router to build my own box.

      • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

        That’s good because I have one idea. Suppose 1 pirate box is placed within range of another pirate box. Now suppose they communicate with each other. Now, on a wet dream, suppose they auto organize themselves into one greater network where you see the content of both.

        Now add that to every single dorm, house, apartment out there ;)

        Now I want to see the feds/MAFIAA take THAT down. I sense a great disturbance in the force. The hydra has just began evolving into a HELL hydra.

    • GuestGusta

      You could always start a project on kickstarter, if it hasn’t already been done. I’m sure the RIAA would have issues with selling these and not getting some sort of cut…

      • Culture Liberator #3,846,229

        All the copyright industry deserves is a big hearty thank you. This and many other file sharing technologies like it would never have come about if it wasn’t for their actions, especially those over the past several years. Not only were they key to creating such great incentives, they also helped advertise them too by employing the well known Streisand Effect. Good job guys! Oh and lets not forget to throw an honorable mention towards all the law enforcement agencies whom helped out with the effort. File sharing honestly wouldn’t be the awesome success it is today without you! X-p

        • DannyUfonek

          So true, if it weren’t for the MAFIAA I would never know about TPB.

        • DannyUfonek

          So true, if it weren’t for the MAFIAA I would never know about TPB.

        • DannyUfonek

          So true, if it weren’t for the MAFIAA I would never know about TPB.

        • Anonymous

          From Napster came about iTunes, so the MAFIAA need to thank “us” for innovating for them… all the while they’re penalizing us for our ingenuity and innovativeness.

        • pitch pine

          true dat! give that man a beer.

  • Jeff Bekcer

    Now all you have to do is connect all the pirate boxes together via FreeNet and/or I2P and you have a nearly indestructible system. The only problem…. java bloat.

    • Hopeless Bromantic

      Or CJDNS

      • Jeff Bekcer

        Why reinvent the wheel? Make the current wheels rounder and don’t use square wheels, manual bootstrapping is a bitch.

        • Guest

          But square wheels are safer ;)

  • Trespass

    And they say piracy kills innovation….

  • http://twitter.com/p2jack Jack

    I will make one :)

  • Anonymous

    Is this the future?

    • http://twitter.com/WilnocK Guillaume

      Yes, it should be.
      It’s almost obvious as you share good books and stuff to your friends when then come at home, you should be able to share digital stuff when you have friends coming at home (home videos,home photos…)

    • Anon

      How can this be the future? If this is like a regular wireless N-router with hard drive storage facility, the signal range will be pathetic. Its not like the whole town could access the piratebox with its short signal range.

      • Anonymous

        It’s the beginning of the future. And it is not expected to hit the whole town. It’s for local use (Meaning close-by) use. If it was the whole town, I think that’d be a little ridiculous. But, for like a coffee shop, or at school, it would be more than sufficient.

        I’m going to attempt this once I get the money. :)

        • Michael

          Yes but in time the boxes will get smaller, their power will increase exponentally and think how this could help countries in the Middle East get passed the censors and the government.

      • http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

        The idea is that it’s in a heavily populated area, like a college dorm. If you live on a farm in Missouri it won’t do anyone much good.

        • guest

          HEY!, i live in Missouri, don’t insult us hicks.

        • http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

          Low population density is an observation, not an insult.

      • Joe Friday

        It’s $45. You don’t have one in each town.

        You have fifty.

  • Concerned Mother

    load up radio triangulation
    triangulate source
    kick down door
    fine wifi router millions of dollars
    problem officer?

    • Jeff Bekcer

      so it is illegal to have a 802.11n signal that can’t be differentiated between a “regular” router’s signal?
      NO WIFI ALLOWED BECAUSE IT IS PIRATING AND THEREFORE HACKING AND THAT IS TERRORISM!!

      • Rekrul

        No, they’d track it down and fine the owner because it’s offering pirated files.

        • Anonymous

          They wouldn’t do that, cos they are already complaining about lack of funds in the police forces, and whilst it’s still only a civil offense, don’t expect busloads of lawyers roaming the area waving around radio directional antennas to catch someone offering his mp3 collection over the air for free.

        • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

          Ignoring the fact that we might see thousands of those popping up everywhere, if you place them correctly making it look like it was some sort of backdoor connection to your house power grid… “But, officer, some1 set this up without my knowledge!”

          I tell you, this might become one nice nightmare for the MAFIAA/Feds ;)

          Don’t forget to clean the fingerprints =D

    • Anonymous

      Nope, it’s using the license free 802.xx spectrum, now if it used some other frequency, then I’d expect FCC/OFCOM to kick down some doors, for using unlicensed transmissions.

    • repressed

      Password protect the wifi

      e.g. make the password “foobar”

      Make the SSID “password_is_foobar”

      If law enforcements find out you’re sharing, you accuse them of unlawful access / inadmissable evidence / it’s just the same as a home network, which you are allowed to share media on.

      Everyone else can happily grab the files.

      • Anonymous

        And you can also bust their ass over the 1949 wireless telegraphy act, which makes it a criminal offense to knowingly intercept and use to your advantage, radio transmissions not intended for you. I’m sure the police wouldn’t want to break the law themselves? it wouldn’t look good for them in court.

        • Anonymous

          Like thats ever stopped them.

        • Anonymous

          @jaxative actually it has, you see, the judge evaluates how the police obtained said evidence, if the police broke the law to obtain it, all bets are off, case dismissed. cite one case where that hasn’t happened if you believe otherwise..

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          Actually, Anonymous, that has happened on a regular basis. Look up on Google “Fruit of the Poisonous tree reversals”.

          Judges have reversed rulings that struck certain evidence based on “THE COPS COULD HAVE GOTTEN IT IN ANOTHER MANNER!” on a regular basis.

        • Anonymous

          @Christopher_Kidwell I have looked that up and it doesn’t come up with anything that backs your point up, and besides What country does this happen in? I doubt it happens in the UK nearly as often as the land of the corrupt.

      • Tsunku

        and then they show their warrant that gave them the right to hack your wifi.
        access cannot be considered unlawful if a warrant is first procured.

        • Anonymous

          That’s fine, as long as they take the time to go thru the legal channels and not cut corners, whilst it’s a civil matter, the police wouldn’t get involved anyhow, unless they were making a profit from sharing the files (non-profit copyright infringement VS profitable copyright infringement)

        • repressed

          Don’t they need to have probable cause for a warrant? Probable cause they wouldn’t have without first hacking it?

      • Lostbalu

        Isn’t it Fubar? An acronym for Fu@ked up up beyond belief?

        • http://twitter.com/Maya_Mayhem Maya Mayhem

          Yes, “fubar” is the acronym you describe.

          “foobar” (fubar2000 technically) is an sweet little piece of high-tech / low system req/footprint audio player software. It is generally considered one of the better all-in-one audio player solutions, at least for windows.

          Or if you asked the internets, “foobar2000 is an advanced freeware audio player for the Windows platform. Some of the basic features include full unicode support, ReplayGain support and native support for several popular audio formats.”

        • stuff
  • Waseihou

    Why not run old good DC hub with this goodie, he?

  • Anonymous

    If you can find a decent place to hide one of these then you could probably leave it there connected to a car battery and just change the car battery out for a recharged one every few weeks. I would love for permanent pirateboxes to start popping up in coffee shops.

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      You joking? A car battery would have, at most, enough ‘juice’ to power one of these things for 3 or 4 days.

    • pitch pine

      someone will triangulate it & steal that shit. car batteries are heavy.

  • Kid3223

    I can view sound on any other youtube video but not the one linked above. Am I the only one?

    • entropy

      You’re probably the only one that can VIEW sound…

      • Danny

        Every heard of Synesthesia?

        People with that condition can usually view sound.

        • entropy

          That’s not “viewing” sound, that’s “you hear something which causes you to see something”, i.e. it’s not the sound itself that you see.

        • Danny

          Actually if you understand how the human vision system works you will know that vision is actually just perceived by the brain. You only actually see a very small portion of the world around you but your brain paints in the rest so you ‘see’ a whole image.

          The majority of what you see actually comes from your memories. In Synaesthesia you do actually see the sound as that is what your brain is using to create the image in the same way as it pulls information from your memory.

        • Trespass

          @Danny
          Okay, but but vision is, of course, not limited to the brain using memories to interpret. If you have ever taken LSD or mescaline, there are no memories associated with the hearing of “Dark Side of the Moon”, that can explain what you are seeing or hearing. Yes, you are altering your perception, but your explanation is a bit simplistic. Many go through life with altered perceptions without any help. Schizophrenia, for example.

        • Ibnj

          Are these people mutants like x-men?

      • Anonymous

        Drop some acid man, the sounds are so pretty!

    • Trespass

      Lol! You can view sound? I needed LSD for that… Just kidding!

    • Save The Cheerleader

      If you can “view” sound then have some kind of superpower. :)

  • harry krishna

    good item for the local library

  • DavidXanatos

    You just need to make a city wide mesh net out of this things and the MAFIAA is fucked beyond help.

    • Anyone

      some cities are planning that

    • Tsunku

      until the military says it will interfere with gps signals. same way they killed off lightsquared. it never once dawned on them they could use a different frequency than 2.4ghz for gps signals. instead an innovative service had to be denied.

      • Anonymous

        OK, you go up there and rewire the transmitters on the GPS satellites to use another frequency. Lightsquared was too close to the existing satellite frequency, so they are the ones who need to change.

  • Our Very Own Internet

    These ideas start you thinking in all sorts of wonderful directions.

    What if we could develop technology that works independent of the internet? That means we would have an incredible amount of autonomy and privacy because we are not using the infrastructure of anyone else.

    We could take these ideas to build our own networks.

    For many years, I was a shortwave radio enthusiast. Sadly, shortwave has almost gone away as a hobby because of the ease, accessibility, and lower cost of internet radio. It always amazed me that you could hear radio signals from all over the world. That is just the nature of shortwave propagation…long distances. For example, you could be in Germany and very easily hear Australia, Japan, etc. I have a friend who is a ham radio enthusiast and he told me about a technology that ham operators have been using for years. It’s called “slow scan” and it is a way to send visual data over radio waves. It is a fascinating technology, but the problem is that it is incredibly slow. It could take several minutes to send one picture.

    * What if we could take these ideas and develop them along with ideas such as PirateBox?

    * What if we could develop a wifi propagation that is similar to the capabilities of shortwave or ham radio in regards to long distances?

    * What if we could allow all the nodes on the system to communicate with all other nodes?

    If these things were done, we would have basically created our own internet in the air.

    What if, dear friends, what if?

    • Trespass

      I like where you are going with this idea. But the MAFIAA would have to buy the FCC, and probably would. Oh, the technology that would ensue…

    • Glib

      Trespass hits the nail on the head. To have any reasonable speed, you need higher frequency bandwidth; this is why ham CAN send data, but it’s stupid slow. Bandwidth ranges are tightly monitored by many people, and you can bet your duff someone transmitting 100w of “white noise” across one of the existing ranges will be pretty quickly hunted down and squashed. However, a network of websites on little crappy boxes using the highest avaiable free-reign bandwidth range to communicate with each other transmistting ONLY magnet links; that’d be nifty. WiFi access to the website with the magnets, then your phone or laptop uses the real internet to actually get the data. Not anonymous, but the boxes would be pretty unstoppable.

      Now, if you could develop something WAY outside the currently usable range (say, 50GHz) using proprietary hardware, there’d be little argument for shutting it down, though your transmission stations would be extremely easy to detect. Also, the power required would be enormous.

    • Kr0nZ

      ” we could develop technology that works independent of the internet”

      AFAIK the internet is not needed for computers to communicate, most software that talks to other computers can also be configured to talk to only PCs on your LAN, which this piratebox creates

      my router, which has dd-wrt on it, can be configured to map LAN addresses to to web urls, using a tool called dnsmasq

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Dilly/1624894683 Don Dilly

        There are already technologies that work independently of the internet
        A few years ago before affordable broadband and 3g were so common, there were a number of WIFI mesh networking projects.
        Some are still in existence.

        One of the towns best served was Hastings on the UK south coast.
        Throughout the town, there were a number of hobbyists and small businesses offering internet access for little more than a contribution to hardware and bandwidth costs (5 or 6 UKP a month)

        Even then people especially on low income could avoid paying even that by acting as a location for a mesh relay to improve coverage.

        While any internet access available to you on the mesh network was only available via the gateway you paid, access to any other mesh node/user on the network were free. ie so long as you didnt need 3rd party net access it wouldnt cost you a penny. It was also possible if you set up your own relay at home for your own remore net gateway.

        While 10 years ago such networks may have been driven by market forces. If things carry on the way they are, I see a resurgence in mesh networking purely on grounds of privacy.

  • http://twitter.com/FreePSDFinder FreePSDFinder

    CANT WAIT, Thanks im buying one!!!! whoooohooooo Message to the FBI: HAHAHAHAhahahaha

  • Morpheusxxz

    haha :)) amazing shit here :p

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  • http://profile.yahoo.com/QYVEIZKIHBBPZJYUJJ3KGRY2GI Aero

    Reminds me of cable tv descramnlers until the cable companies started tracking down the sources, at the street level, and busting people. Lol. Fail.

    • Glib

      Cable descramblers were never detectable; they only died off when the algorithms became too complex for the descramblers to decrypt the signal. Otherwise, the descrambler that my parents still use at our cottage wouldn’t still be working; plugged in for probably 20 years now.

      Anyhow, even if they did find them, $40 down the toilet; oh noes.

  • Pirate?

    This new design is cheaper because the router is cheaper, its range is only 30 meters or so. I don’t remember the range of the original PirateBox but it was much better.

    Still, even a 30-meter range has its uses, and it’s certainly more discrete and stealthy.
    You can hide one in pretty much any appliance or even a bag. So don’t laugh at me next time you see me with a handbag… ^-^

    But should it be called “Pirate” at all, since it just creates a local wireless network, and does not “steal” anything, like a Starbucks WiFi to offer both local and global Internet access?

    • Anyone

      “pirating” is also not stealing anything

      unless it is on the high seas and with guns

      • Tom

        Please explain.

        • Guest

          People explained to you the difference between “copying” and “stealing” many times. It’s not their fault that you are retarted..

        • Tom

          People have tried and failed. I was hoping that someone with your immense intellect could explain?

    • Guest

      @Tom
      People explained to you the difference between “copying” and “stealing” many times before. It’s not their fault that you are retarted.

  • tiederian

    So i’m a little confused.. Can this be used without a seedbox host?

    • Anyone

      yes
      it’s not available in the whole internet after all, just within the WLAN range

      • http://profiles.google.com/orfetheo Orfeas Theofanis

        Yeah but if the PirateBox offers thepiratebay’s site, it actually provides magnet links for the files in the internet, right?

        Which means it’s time for ThePirateBay to create their own piratebox and sell it, which will provide thepiratebay to everyone near you, and also sync all the pirateboxes through the internet.

        Which means….oh my, an unsinkable ship!

        • Anyone

          it will just be a hassle to synchronize those boxes ;)

  • tim obarr

    Making one :D

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  • Anonymous

    How is the MAFIAA going to stop this one? Drive around looking for open PirateBox stations? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    The MAFIAA must be sitting back with their jaws dropped thinking W T F…How do we ban this f*cking machine. Let’s go after every site that offers this tool – Try go after NewEgg and see their lawyers rip the MAFIAA a “new one”.

    • Anyone

      the MAFIAA has no shortage of assholes as it is, they don’t need a new one ;)

    • Tsunku

      the nazis did just that in wwii in france, hunting down resistance radios.

  • Jay

    What would be interesting is if they could hook this system up to a solar array or wind mill that would power a battery that keeps it running nonstop. Encase it somewhere high or hidden and you have an autonomous real world drop box.

    That is a good project to start are small autonomous drop boxes and if made small enough and cheep enough they could be plastered everywhere in most cites.

    • Desu75

      And someone with a professional radio detector will find within a few feet of its location.

  • http://littleguy.myid.net/ littleguy

    The router is available for cheaps in sweden:
    http://www.prisjakt.nu/produkt.php?p=1034742

  • Dark

    Thanks enigmax looks like i know what i will be building now !

  • Guest

    wish i had greater technical skill to possibly work these things

    • Anonymous

      It looks quite simple to do and you can never achieve this goal unless you try.

      What I find most funny here is that while they correctly blamed Universities and Colleges for piracy but they are wrongly blaming students for doing it. I know from direct experience that running a bot on a University link was the most desired option possible for a hacker no matter their intention including piracy.

      So hackers hacked University servers and from what I have seen the University SysOp should be fired for negligence and poor security. Not to forget that shipping hundreds of GB daily across their link should have been noticed.

      Nope all the crazy SysOp did was to upgrade the University network into a faster Internet link that more than doubled the piracy distribution rate. And this all goes to explains why Universities got shit kicked by the US Government with their end piracy or you will lose your education budget. So now students with their minor piracy get blamed for what hackers and a lame SysOp once did.

      • bleh

        At least at my University a few 100 Gb are still a drop in the bucket for daily network transfers. The last time I looked at the bandwidth monitors they were averaging 700 Gb/s (of course there is big fluctuations in usage).

        I’m not saying it’s an excuse for lay sysadmins, but the bandwidth a hacker may be using is still likely minimal in the scheme of things, at least for larger Universities.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Dilly/1624894683 Don Dilly

    There might be a problem running an open wifi based file store from a static location. While the license of the material might not be the primary problem. I dare say if someone chose to host their porn rips via such a device it may give rise to complaints to local authorities.

    The device does give rise to all sorts of possibilities, especially devices kitted with dual radio, adding mesh capabilities would open all sorts of possibilities once these devices could network with each other.

    • One track …

      “I dare say if someone chose to host their porn rips via such a device it may give rise”

      must be my mind?

    • Anonymous

      Instead of static location, imagine LAN party at local McDonalds, pizza place, or public park. A few people bring these boxes, others bring their laptops, everyone has a good time sharing food and files, then goes home. No fixed target for the radio police.

  • Nemo

    Find an equally small Wifi Range extender combine the 2 encapulate it with a battery/solar array disguised as something common place like a piece street infrastructure you would have the authorities/MAFFIA going nuts inventing new offences like copyright terrorism lol!

  • Guest

    Just pay a small monthly fee and get newsgroups. Everything is there.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t get it

    • Tom

      No.. it’s basically data storage connected to a wireless router. If you happen to be within range (30m or so) you can download from it. It’s amazing…. not.

      • Uhoewhoo

        If they are able to extend the signal to 500km radius that would be awesome

        • Desu75

          If they did that, the FCC would find it in hours.

        • Tom

          But it’s at 30m not 500km. If you can wait say.. um 50 years you might get the 500km version that gives everyone within a 100km radius cancer.

  • Anonymous

    Well the PirateBox has sure got smaller and cheaper but that is not always a good thing.

    The main problem I see here is in using a USB memory stick when storage there comes at a premium compared to modern HDDs. As you should be needing mains power anyway then even a USB HDD is a better option.

    Not much use running a copy of TPB seeing PirateBox has no Internet connection so it is only useful for when connection to TPB is usually blocked. You could always add an Internet GSM connection but that is too slow to be much use.

    The most interesting option is a fully portable light weight server that can run on both mains and battery power.

    Just imagine a hacker loading up that baby with secret company documents and propaganda then visiting their HQ and installing PirateBox deep out of sight somewhere. Every employee in their HQ could then wirelessly access PirateBox while their bosses run around trying to figure out where it is coming from. It only takes one employee to connect to PirateBox for word to quickly spread.

    The most common use would be of course to share movies, music, ebooks and more which is the core of what file sharing is all about.

    • Mynex

      If you can plug in a USB stick to it, then you ca plug in a USB cable to it. If you can plug in a USB cable to it, then you can plug in an external USB hard drive to it.

      If you have to provide a power source for the PB anyways, then you simply make sure that power source has an outlet for the external HD.

      Given that 1Tb HD’s are very inexpensive….

      That’s just a random (quick) thought off the top of my head… I’m sure I could come up with a number of reasonable, inexpensive ways to make this better, more portable, more useful if I spent some time thinking about it. *shrug*

  • Anon

    If only the MAFFIA and RIAA were as innovative

  • Fuckyou

    it is amazing how people will go to steal stuff that belong to those who have brains and are not losers as pirates, to create something, publish and sell.

    • Trespass

      Are you saying it does not take brains to come up with this stuff? Go troll somewhere else, because you won’t get too many responses here that are in agreement.

      So you didn’t get the memo that sharing is not stealing? Do try to keep up….

    • Pedantic Douchebag

      I think there might be a cogent sentence hidden in that mess. Maybe.

    • Fuckyoutoo

      Lets compare the intelligence of professor David Darts to say Andy Tenant (amazing director of the craptacular movie ‘fool’s gold’) and also compare their paychecks. See a problem? That’s the system we’re breaking. And, because we’re on average much smarter than you itunes douches, we’ll win this and your system will be recorded by history as a broken one that inventions like these helped fix. :)
      Fuck you too loser.

    • Anyone

      it’s not stealing

      people upload stuff with the expressed desire that other people download it. it’s sharing, not stealing

    • DerZ

      Well only one word comes to mind here…. TROLL

    • Fredrika

      > “it is amazing how people will go to steal stuff that belong to those who have brains and are not losers as pirates, to create something, publish and sell.”

      You seem confused or ignorant. This article or the mentioned has nothing to do with stealing anything belonging to anyone else. It’s about using your own property, that you own, in a manner which pleases you.

      Since you obviously lack fundamental knowledge about law and copyright, please stop from commenting any further, since your ignorance will make all your conclusions completely irrelevant and wrong.

      But if you have a problem with theft and intrusions into property, you really should be against the copyright monopoly, since it does intrude into peoples property, and that is very similar to theft.

    • Tsunku

      it’s amazing how ppl can create something new and innovative and instantly the naysayers are on him claiming he’s just a thief and a loser..

  • Physics2010

    This needs to be integrated with a mesh network and some encryption (so that those on the same network can’t see what’s being uploaded/downloaded)

    • anonymous

      Couldn’t agree more. I’d be surprised if something like this isn’t around already. I’m actually thinking that with the new ‘raspberry pi’, we’re going to be able to do some pretty sweet stuff as far as a parallel web is concerned. Imagine spreading hotspots everywhere you go. Hide one here, one there, another here. All adding to a new and independent infrastructure. Pirate radio is really back. :)

      • Anonymous

        I was thinking of the Raspberry Pi as well, light powered and would come with the bonus of orders of the product not automatically labelling you a pirate or something as opposed to ordering one of these pirate boxes (would really stick out like a sore thumb compared to being a small amount of orders among millions of those RP units – security through obscurity being a perfect match for some torrent users).

    • Tsunku

      with a special chip that can do realtime encode/decode of 1024 bit encryption

  • Physics2010

    Now we need an app of the android phone which will alert you when one is nearby, as well as transfer via a torrent type arrangement i.e. piece by piece, security tokens, mesh, etc.

    • Wondering around …

      If someone can point me to an open standard which distinguishes these devices from the others I’ll write one.

      Your Android device will sync on the go. :-)

      • Guest

        What about my ipad? I know it’s a little gay
        but can you do it too?

        • John Jake

          A little gay? More like.. ULTRAGAY.

          (Trust me. I know this. I’m gay.)

  • Anon

    As soon as Mesh networks popped up I had thought of this, stand alone wifi drop-boxes with walled garden software, glad to see that someone smarter than me got the same idea and streamlined the process.

    There are also non-wifi usb drop boxes out there, just little USB nubs sticking out of walls, take your Female USB==Male USB cable and plug in.

    Great Cyberpunk story here, competing pirate havens running new files around town like the scene groups of old.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PUVZ4YVL2WQNRPPG4XR5GGLAJ4 ZengMoo

    Looks to me like they might jsut be onto something dude.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PUVZ4YVL2WQNRPPG4XR5GGLAJ4 ZengMoo

    Looks to me like they might jsut be onto something dude.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PUVZ4YVL2WQNRPPG4XR5GGLAJ4 ZengMoo

    Looks to me like they might jsut be onto something dude.

    • No wankie wankie

      “Looks to me like they might jsut be onto something dude.” Wow

      Hey your comment and username resembles that of the vpn spammer :D

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  • Lee

    Its all fun and games in-till someone uploads a virus to it.

  • Mail Not

    This is the “girlification” of the western male. Aren’t you free anymore? Feck all this police cop thing. How is criminal someone who only hosts magnet links? Encrypt the beast and put your “midfingernail” as the password.

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  • Wow

    Buy with bitcoins.
    Put in area that could have easily been placed by someone else.
    Make sure box isn’t easy to find.
    Encrypt HDD.
    Put password on WiFi and name it “Password is X”

    Seems to be the best idea. Downside? Might still prove it’s you, and USB HDD’s aren’t cheap.

    • http://twitter.com/p2jack Jack

      True, but if you buy the HDD with cash and all parts using cash. The they can’t trace cash :)

      • Tsunku

        dunno about other countries but they could possibly trace the us dollars $5 and up cuz of the rfid tag in them.

      • Anon

        Or better yet, hire a homeless guy to buy the parts on your behalf.

    • Desu75

      Problem is that you still have to plug it in somewhere. Someone will notice a coord coming out of a wall socket somewhere.

      • Guest

        Powerless energy?

  • Pirate Innovation

    PirateBox, long distance wifi, mesh networks, an independent internet, I like where we are going with all these great ideas. Let’s keep brainstorming.

    The general public may disparage pirates, but we may be the ones who save the internet!

    Whenever these stupid governments and corporate entities come up with legislation and schemes to censor, regulate or even shut down the internet, this is our answer to them.

    And it’s a great big FUCK YOU.

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  • DerZ

    I see a lot of folks comments here to the tune of “They will track it and arrest/fine the owner ect.. which proves these people have not really paid attention to any of the recent court precedings. This is essentially a PUBLIC storage locker just on a small scale.

    Where as only a limited range can access it, but ANYONE with in that range can access the locker and upload / download files… Thus if you note the DMCA you are protected. You can not be held liable for what other people store on a publicly offered services. Exclusions are if there is monetary gain, ignored take down requests ect.. but all this is out the the realm for most folks who run a locker such as this since it is such a small scale.

    Read the laws, know how your protected in your area. But for the most part this idea has plausible deny-ability all over it and I Love it! I live next to 2 big hotels which I will be setting up one of these for. Its free sharing and since all data travels through your LAN there is no bandwidth charges and maximum speeds.

    • Tom

      I think that leaving an electronic device in a hotel will get you into all sorts of trouble.

      • Jake John

        There, there… no need to cry Tom. Everything is ok.

        • Tom

          What are you going on about?

    • Anyone

      the MAFIAA doesn’t care about the law
      they just buy some local politicians/judges/cops and storm your door

      MU followed DMCA takedowns, look how that helped them.

      • Retaliator

        This is true. Therefore we shall not care about the law either. Once the first corporate parasites will hit the dust it will scare the others who will them decide that it is not worth it. I know these guys. Just get ride of few of them and the rest will disband. After all this is exactly what the federal government is doing with the people they don’t like right? So why not us doing the same?

  • IFUXXSYSTEMS

    I don’t see how this differs from a router with a network drive, apart from the fact that this set up is cheaper/cooler.

    • Anon

      Exactly my question. This contraption seems to be a wireless router with a USB stick attached to it. I already share everything on my eight external hdds with a wireless router and all family members can access its contents with their notebooks and desktops. How is this setup any different from the piratebox?

      • Anonymous

        Other than being portable, cheap, and in a public location, nothing.

  • Anonymous

    So what do you suppose they were thinking with that? Just doesnt make a lot of sense at all to me man. None whatsoever.

  • PHILIPPINES

    is piratebay down at the moment? 03/12/12?

  • Steve

    Creative project. I’m always interested in seeing digital file sharing achieved through location-specific physical hardware. Another interesting project: USB drives embedded in walls http://gizmodo.com/5677377/theres-a-usb-stick-in-my-brick-wall

  • Anonymous

    As soon as the MAFIAA is aware of this, they’ll be shelling out big bucks to make it illegal. Everyone all over the world should install their very own and soon we will have a worldwide free media network.

  • youngwolf

    this is excellent! I should talk to some local file-sharers about this ^^

  • Some

    make a box that is attached to the internet but make it part of your favourite darknet and surfing hidden stuff will be easier for everyone

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  • http://twitter.com/rottedcockmeat rottedcockmeat

    i can see it now…..”Data Conventions” where people meet up at parking lots to “trade.” , some thousand odd groups all with their own hidden boxes.

    they’d set it up were the cars would all park nearly touching each other, so no one would be able to walk in between the cars….it’d be a free for all…then after an hour, the crowd would haul ass with their HDDs well fertilized.

    • Desu75

      And one of them is a cop :D Going somewhere IRL to get files seems like a step back in security. VPNs still the way to go and USENET.

      • Anonymous

        They’re not likely to be cops if you keep strangers away from your sharing parade. Only share amongst YOUR friends, not your friends of friends. which is a non-sequitur.

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  • StarNoStar

    this would be cool with its own network, when the boxes are in proximity of each other they automatically merge into their own network, the more boxes the larger the network. Rig em’ up with solar panels and drop em’ on rooftops or anywhere really /w sun coverage and totally out of sight and out of the way…never come back for them.

    Develop the software to automatically update itself through its own network, meaning when someone creates a new box /w a newer firmware it updates all the connected boxes…newer firmware updates spread like wildfire without the use of the internet.

    …if the sun is out, then connect to the pirate network, the more the network grows the more unstoppable it becomes. Maybe even dedicate a few boxes to jammer-scanning and signal jumping (whilst the boxes scan for nearby boxes on regular wifi signals and illegal frequencies) in case the MAFIAA gets legislation to jam wifi signals.

    If enough boxes were creates, along with a few new protocols, this could feasibly develop into a crowd-sourced, totally anonymous internet if the bandwidth allowed.

  • Sabel44

    A wireless router with a USB stick gets you people in such a frenzy?
    MAFIAA must be laughing their ass out.

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      No, more like they are looking at this and going “Holy crap! Untraceable! BAD BAD BAD!”

    • Anonymous

      I believe the key point is in being able to turn any building into a private piracy forum with this wireless PirateBox server. It is not so much the wireless router but the hacked firmware that controls it all.

      There are two advantages here. The first being very small means anyone objecting would have a hard time finding it. Then second you don’t have the whole world watching what you are doing including the MPAA & RIAA.

      The only real downside is that with no logs at all you have no idea if anyone is actually using it beyond what someone uploads meaning you don’t know what is proving popular.

    • Anonymous

      After some extra thought then what the MAFIAA should most fear is this…

      Since this PitateBox shares with no money involved then copyright fraud is removed leaving only copyright infringement. Since copyright infringement is only a civil matter than that removes Police involvement.

      Without Police involvement the MAFIAA cannot gain access to a private building or to do equipment confiscation (theft). So while they may be able to pinpoint where the signal comes from proving who owns PirateBox and its operation is extremely difficult without lawful access to the actual hardware.

      If anyone starts snooping around then it is easy to power off PirateBox and to either relocate or to wait until they have gone. So without a law change then PirateBox is unstoppable sharing.

      Then with no logs there is no evidence who added the infringing files allowing a deny all situation. Users of PirateBox should never state their name, location and what they have uploaded and downloaded.

      You start getting one of these in every neighbourhood, like the old BBS systems, then the MAFIAA would be very worried indeed. Of course even with ISP link tracking and filtering PirateBox owner can load PirateBox safely using VPN or other secure methods.

  • Guest

    Someone please build an encrypted Utorrent!

  • PlatinumC

    Awesome idea, but I know, that either some shitface calls the cops, or someone just breaks/steals it.

    • Tom

      Most likely that a shit load will be stolen. I’m sure that most will figure out that the signal strength is higher the closer you are to it.

      • pitch pine

        exactly what i was thinking.

    • pitch pine

      quite correct.

  • Webbience

    out of order
    out of box
    out of scenario
    … and out of business….
    —-
    http://www.webbience.com

    • Guest

      Out of spam!

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  • stopping by

    Interesting idea. Won’t take more than a couple of hours for right holders to place a few thousand cheap honey pots and poisoned wells all over the place.

    Let the paranoia begin…

    • Anonymous

      That would be called entrapment along with a large degree of authorising supply.

      • stopping by

        Depends on the circumstances – was the thief willing to commit his crime, or was he tricked?

        Right holders and authorities have learned the hard way to be extremely careful in these matters.

        So, yes it’s gonna happen…

        • pitch pine

          definitely.

    • Joe

      i agree with the violator on this the “authorizing supply” would have to be a dummy file since any real material would put them liable to the same charges. now if they were to seek 3rd part groups to oversee the distributions of copyrighted content and simply choose were to press charges where they saw fit during prosecution then you have some head way for the cops, but any litigation’s attorney with with 3 brain cells will punch holes all over that case.

      • stopping by

        Bottom line is that right holders and authorities will find lots of legal ways to do it .

        What was local and often isolated events until very recently is now a very well organized global war on IP theft.

        EU and US authorities are for the first time determined to solve the problem and they obviously have more resources available than pirates, who in most cases are poor and/or very young.

    • J in Denver

      You should read the documentation a little better, it doesn’t require an account nor any other form of authentication nor does it perform any sort of tracking.

      If you connect to a “honey pot” or “poisoned well” that is gathering personal data from your connected device without your permission the “rights holders” will be in even bigger trouble than you.

      • stopping by

        Without the pirate’s permission? :))

        Seriously, there’s a looong tradition for fake torremts, IP address harvesting and poisoned networks.

        Like I said elsewhere: Right holders and authorities have learned the hard way to be very careful not to screw themselves in these matters.

        And you can depend on one thing: For every initiative pirates come up with, a new branch of the anti piracy industry will appear.

        For one reason: There’s a huge market for it. A decade of theft forced artists to invent a new business model.

        That business model is not about selling t-shirts & perfume.

        It’s about suing pirates.

        Primarily in Germany and US at the moment. Other countries seem to come along, as well.

        • J in Denver

          Yes, but that long history of IP harvesting is done over a public network with an IP that is dynamically assigned by the ISP which keeps logs of who was assigned which IP at what time. This will be local network access, what are they going to do? You can’t trace anyone using open access accounts with IPs like 192.168.1.15. There’s nothing with which to connect the dots. Which means they would have to use scripts to hack the connecting device to retrieve personal data. Something they could never do, even if they were actively monitoring connections with law enforcement they would need to apply for and wait for a warrant for each and every unique connection… to that one specific device before you disconnect.

        • stopping by

          Don’t worry, there’s always a way when you’re motivated…

          And who would you say is more motivated?

          A musician fighting for his jobs so he can support his family, or a pirate fighting for free… entertainment?

        • tetridae

          That’s silly. No artist sues their fans. It’s the MIDDLEMEN who sue the fans. But frankly, the middle men are wounded dinosaurs bleeding to death as we speak.

          The service of Producing New culture and knowledge will always find people willing to pay. However – for what has already been created – that is free and nothing to do about it. You can’t make money on other peoples old work anymore… just move on will you?

        • pitch pine

          correct!

    • pitch pine

      Yeah! botnet creators would love this!

  • http://slyck.com/ zbeast

    I really think your over thinking this.
    this device is for sharing a limited number of files with a limited number of people over a very limited range and to get that traffic off the company or school network.

    It’s like me handing you handing me a hard drive of my latest finds.
    no one really cares.

    If you read around and look at the people who are getting in trouble for trading files at school as of late, it’s all about the student being in violation of school rules using the schools network for trading.

    If I’m connected computer to computer, privet wireless network, or handing out thumb drives. nobody is really going to care.

    • J in Denver

      Now we’re just talking about broadcast range… you know it is only a matter of time before technology affords us an easy/inexpensive method to boost this as well.

      • Anonymous

        You can usually do that on the device.

        These wireless routers are usually made for both North America and Europe where internal settings change between the two. Now beyond the different frequency ranges used I know that North America allows for a higher power output than that allowed in Europe.

        For example on an old wireless router I had I overpowered the antenna power output far beyond European limits and up to my ideal level to provide a good clear signal. You could even power it up beyond North American limits.

        So if you want more power the first place to look is in your router internal settings usually set under telnet.

  • wiffthis

    I have this silly idea that a group of people in each city could hook these up to their vehicles and every weekend they could all come together somewhere like at the beach or where ever. Kind of the way street racing is done here on friday & saturday nights. Pirate boxes loaded with stuff on open wifi.

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  • None

    Oh boy, I can’t wait to see the viruses and shit that get tosses round with this idea. You guys are suckers if you think this is anything than another way to screw you and hang the piracy charges on you.

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  • Guestwhour

    put it in your car, and it will always be on the move and updating with other car boxes

    • Guest

      Amazing!

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  • xxQuicky

    Somebody please, there are no DIY? videos.

  • Technoe

    I say we put one of these with each homeless hotspot.

  • Dave

    I like the idea of this but why not make a box which has two aerials (one wireless set to static and the other set to DHCP) – make the thing so it’s got decent wireless transmission power and then start a mesh network.

    If you could order enough devices you could drive the cost down.

    -Pick a good router (I recommend the Routerstation Pro (for pure CPU power and upgradibily – has 3x mini PCI slots, USB, etc).
    -PIck a good Linux distro (OpenWRT possibly already fits the bill).
    -Find a decent wireless cards (Ubiquity SR71?). Huge distance with the right aerial.
    -Use something like Freenet?

    This idea is good but it relies on a centralised network. A mesh network is a much better idea.

  • http://phatez.blogspot.com/ PHATE

    i think this is a great idea….it definitely seems to have aquired a lot of attention anyway ! (first time visitor on this site….me likey very much !)

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  • http://www.mypdv.com/ Onlinepromotersind

    File sharing is an excellent service and much interesting. another project like Mypdv provides feature such as online file sharing.

    MYpdv

  • Thrundal Swanson

    I’d definitely consider this a Jesus Moment for the Internet

    Viva La Revolucion!

  • The Other Guy

    Would it be possible to use a normal Wi-Fi router as a kind of proxy.

    I mean, only allow connections from the bridging router, and have software so if the bridging wifi router goes down, the piratebox turns itself off.

    At least then when some a-hole plays detective he’ll have a hell of a time finding the main box, and the box admin can wait for the heat to cool a bit and then place another el-cheapo proxy-router somewhere else.

    That would drive ‘em mad…. bwahahahahahaha

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  • 3c905b-tx

    But, can it run Crysis?

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