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TalkTalk HomeSafe Blocks BitTorrent Sites

One of the UK’s largest ISPs has today launched a new set of network-level security features aimed at protecting subscribers’ children and their computers. While reports of HomeSafe’s ability to block access to viruses, pornography and violent content has been widespread today, it also has another trick up its sleeve – the blocking of BitTorrent and other file-sharing sites.

homesafeToday, one of the UK’s leading Internet service providers unveiled a new system it believes will enhance the safety of families online. HomeSafe from TalkTalk is a network-level blocklist product which offers three key features.

Firstly it offers ‘Virus Alerts’ which blocks sites (or even individual sections of sites) known to be infected with malware before they can even reach a customer’s browser.

Next up is ‘Homework Time’, a feature which allows parents to grant kids access to the Internet for educational purposes, but stops them in their tracks should they attempt to become distracted by social networking sites such as Facebook.

The third category, known as KidsSafe, offers parents a set of controls to stop their kids (or indeed anyone else using a TalkTalk Internet connection) from accessing violent, pornographic or gambling content.

HomeSafe goes about its business transparently by scanning the websites accessed by TalkTalk customers, assessing the security risk and applying filtering according to customer preferences. The company is assuring its subscribers that it stores no personal information such as IP addresses.

However, TorrentFreak has learned that it also has another trick up its sleeve – the option to block BitTorrent and other file-sharing related sites. We spoke with TalkTalk’s (always helpful) PR company in order to try and obtain a list of sites currently under blockade but we were told that one isn’t available. Of course one does exist, we just aren’t being given access to it.

What we have discovered is that HomeSafe only filters web browsing. This means that while, for example, The Pirate Bay might be blocked, if users can access the torrents from elsewhere (from a non-blocked site or via email or IM using a friend as a proxy) then the actual BitTorrent transfers will complete just fine.

Nevertheless, getting this far could be tricky for new followers of the file-sharing craze since sites where users can download file-sharing software are also being blocked when HomeSafe is asked to do so.

TalkTalk are stressing that HomeSafe is completely optional and is disabled by default and of course that is the right approach. However, while there is a clear need not to further publicize the URLs of certain sexually abusive sites which have no other purpose than to exploit, the same cannot be said about file-sharing sites and services.

TalkTalk admits that HomeSafe isn’t an all-in-one silver bullet and as we have seen, its BitTorrent blocks can be circumvented with relative ease. But as it stands we don’t know which sites are blocked, or why, or who made that decision. If parents are being trusted to know what to censor for the benefit of their children, they need to make an informed decision and in order to do that there needs to be a level of transparency from TalkTalk.

From our enquiries, that does not appear to be forthcoming, at least for now. So, if you’re a TalkTalk customer, head over to your control panel, turn the file-sharing ban controls up to 11 and start testing the big BitTorrent sites, uTorrent.com, Vuze.com, and others like RapidShare and MegaUpload. We’d love to hear about the results of your tests, backed up with screenshots if at all possible.

Update: Well, well. It seems that our call for transparency fell a little closer to home than we expected. According to a kind TorrentFreak reader who just sent us in some screenshots, not only is isohunt.com, thepiratebay.org and newzbin.com blocked by HomeSafe but also……

…..TorrentFreak.com.

We’ll speak to TalkTalk about this and post an update.

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  • Gest

    Awesome, made sure I never go with them then. I don’t want anyone dictating what content I do and don’t have access to that isn’t me. Good job talktalk, just keep this mess to your corner of the internet next to the AOL users.

  • Gest

    Awesome, made sure I never go with them then. I don’t want anyone dictating what content I do and don’t have access to that isn’t me. Good job talktalk, just keep this mess to your corner of the internet next to the AOL users.

    • No_one

      TalkTalk Bought AOL & Tiscali, So this just completes the untidy mess at that corner of the internet.

    • Durka McDurk

      @46919205fcb63d003757663c2e6cbd67:disqus I suppose your mommy forces you to have parental controls enabled?

  • Dudeguyperson

    why is this news? its an optional service. its not being forced down anyone’s throat.

    also first

    • Hikaricore

      This is mostly news because they’re being secretive about their torrent related block list. While it’s not being forced (yet) and it’s optional (right now) who’s to say that it will always be that way? Let us not forget the shit that other ISPs and even whole countries have pulled or tried to pull in the past. Not being forthcoming with what exactly is being blocked is really not acceptable, especially if one of their customers were to ask and be denied that list.

      Also good job at failing to make the first post.

    • Hikaricore

      This is mostly news because they’re being secretive about their torrent related block list. While it’s not being forced (yet) and it’s optional (right now) who’s to say that it will always be that way? Let us not forget the shit that other ISPs and even whole countries have pulled or tried to pull in the past. Not being forthcoming with what exactly is being blocked is really not acceptable, especially if one of their customers were to ask and be denied that list.

      Also good job at failing to make the first post.

      • cgimusic

        I agree that it would be very easy for this to become enforced and it is one step closer to 1984 but their reasons for not releasing their exact blocklist are understandable.

        I remember reading an article about some web filtering software used by schools; they released a list of all the sites that they blocked, but competitors didn’t. Of course it just gave a whole load of school kids who weren’t under that blocking system access to a list of inappropriate content that they could access. In the case of home blocking I can see that this argument is less valid but still needs to be taken into account.

        Regardless, I think greater transparency about the type of sites they block would be great but this product will ultimately fail anyway because it just won’t work. I know people who are too dumb to figure out how to use auto shapes in Word who can bypass web filtering.

        • puddi puddi

          “it just gave a whole load of school kids who weren’t under that blocking
          system access to a list of inappropriate content that they could access”

          hmm very good point, never would have occurred to me
          , +1 internet

        • iironx

          this might sounds dumb but what does 1984 have to do with this …. can u explain i might have missed something did something happen than i kust need to know i here this alot in other palaces

        • Donotreply

          1984 is a book by George Orwell, basically it’s about life under a totalitarian government.

          Extended description:

          book:

          http://www.george-orwell.org/1984

          Free to read there (certain trolls can’t argue with the sites disclaimer – http://www.george-orwell.org/l_disclaimer.html ).

          If you want there are movie renditions of the book:

          http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087803/ (1984 version ironically)

          http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0048918/ (1956 version)

          How you obtain the movie is none of my business; however borrowing it from a library or something would be the cheapest legal option.

          Hope that helps.

      • BigSexyBastard

        Sorry but this is just so kids dont view porn, download torrents, etc they CANNOT make this manadatory and have to make this optional, as it is perfectly legal to download torrents (e.g. Linux) and porn is 100% legal if you are over 18 in the uk and 21 in the usa and in other western countries, so why should me being over 18 so legal to watch porn be told not to, UNLESS they make porn illegal like in Ukraine, then it has to be optional by opt out OR optional by opt in, this is essentually as a result of the goverment hassling isps over children accessing porn so now talk talk can say, all parents have to do is phone us and we will enable this, they are acting BEFORE legislation comes in making this Optional By OPT OUT.

        Its like Internet Security programs they have parental control do adults enable it for them NO, if i want to gamble, watch porn and download torrent then LEGALLY i can.

        • BigSexyBastard

          Personally i think this will be a faliure, anyway, becuase some adults with children may like watching porn, any why shouldent they, meaning they wont enable this as it would stop them aswell, Unless they can disable and enable it willy nilly just like with internet security programs, which in that case means the child can just disable it anyway meaning it is stupidly ineffective.

          Therefore it is just Smoke and Mirrors, for the goverment puppets.

    • noko

      >its not being forced down anyone’s throat.

      …yet.

      • http://twitter.com/aliinhan Ali Inhan

        Take Turkey, for example. It’s due August 22, 2011 unless we increase our voices enough at the country-wise protests in the upcoming rallies on May 15 and 22 against government-monopolized Internet censorship. We desperately seek for help from the international media against blockage of freedom of information and speech in our own country. I hope no other country faces such a shame in the future. Enjoy your freedom while it lasts, and peace!..

    • Anonymous

      sounds like average parental control software to me. I definitely think it’s needed if you’re trying to keep a grip on what your connection is used for.
      If i pay for something, i should be able to use it & allow on it, whatever i want. Same goes for PS3 & Xbox hardware hacks.

      • Ven

        I agree. If you want to leave your child mostly-unattended on the internet (which is stupid but to each his own), then you do need to keep a handle on their activity somehow. If you block porn sites, then you had better block P2P as well.

        And as much as TF hates it, they commonly propose work-around solutions to continue filesharing (much like they did in this thread). The logical conclusion is that they belong on a ban-list designed to keep kids from file-sharing.

        • Qpakkun

          Your post gave me an idea about one not so obvious reason why file sharing on the list. They want to protect the PARENTS from recieving a letter from one of the ACS Law alike extortion company.

        • Anonymous

          TF don’t belong on the list because of filesharing….

          Filesharing is OK. It’s culture.
          (like it or not)

          Kids share music between their mobile phones.
          Share their packed lunch , their knowledge etc…..
          They share resources and material because it is a nice , good and a moral thing to do….
          We ALL teach our kids that is good to share.

          P2P AND other sites that contain porn , open comments should of course be blocked…… ( im etc.. should defiantly be blocked )
          But the torrentfreak news section contains nothing inappropriate .. IN MY EYES. (apart from the comment section)

        • Ven

          You are right, there is nothing inappropriate here. However, if the goal is to keep your kids from filesharing then you want to also keep them off of sites that give them ways to work around parental controls.

      • Anonymous

        Agree… Parental control is an issue. No one want’s kids exposed to some of the vile people on the web.

        As for Torrentfreak being filtered…. I can see why. The open comments section can contain unsuitable material.

        They could just block all Disqus comment apps , that seems more sensible.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1384716273 Micheal Freshney

      They had a similar thing last year,that was supposed to be optional, but they used backdoor tactics, TalkTalk are now in a situation where they disapprove of freedom.

    • http://profiles.google.com/kcwebz Casey Smith

      fafafa FAIL.. agaga must hurt being that stupid.

    • Dudeguyperson

      lol yep failed at first.

      but what i meant is that the entire program is optional. the torrents are an option because you can can access all that adult material through torrents thereby circumventing the whole program.

      i really don’t see this as being malicious.

    • Dudeguyperson

      lol yep failed at first.

      but what i meant is that the entire program is optional. the torrents are an option because you can can access all that adult material through torrents thereby circumventing the whole program.

      i really don’t see this as being malicious.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-DefCon-Ebeling/616024625 Jason DefCon Ebeling

    violent pornographic gambling… but thats my favorite type of porn LOL

    but that sucks how dare they force people what to look at that shit ain’t right

  • Rah

    Does anyone know what they are using to block this? Is it ‘hardware’ like a Radware box ? On what level does it do filtering? A simple blocklist, layer4 firewall, or dpi ?

    • noko

      DPI is illegal without a warrant, but this is the UK, so it wouldn’t surprise me…

    • Anonymous

      They simply route all requests to the prime minister’s home IP.

    • Anonymous

      They simply route all requests to the prime minister’s home IP.

  • Hmm

    haaa haaa thats funny

  • ann

    Did Matt and Trey help plan the raid on Osama’s compound?Jersey Shore episode, and at the
    end Osama bin Laden is shot through the head by a commando who descended
    on a rope, just the way the Navy Seals did when they raided Osama’s
    compound. Coincidence?

    • Anonymous

      Leave the crap that nobody cares about, and is off topic, off the comment section. Thanks. Douche.

  • Sxef

    The little info button next to the file sharing option mentions limewire.com and bittorrent.com as examples

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=616967907 Si Mccabe

    Yet another reason to never want to go with Talk Talk. Well done, plenty hated your service before. Now you have just given us even more reason.

    • Anon

      This is true. I transferred away from them 3 weeks ago. Want to download a couple of games on Steam? Lol enjoy < Dial-up speeds for the next week.

      • http://twitter.com/braddels Brad Mace

        im with talk talk and i NEVER have a problem with my internet speed. infact my telephone line can handle upto 17.89 mbps according to the data on my telephone exchange. somehow i regularly maintain a connection over 20mb and it rarely drops below 14mb. and i torrent (legal items only ofcourse) every day

        • Ninja

          “Legal items included of course.”

          There, corrected for you

  • Dannywolt

    How is this different than any of the many other internet filters that allow optional blocking of the file-sharing category?

  • Dannywolt

    How is this different than any of the many other internet filters that allow optional blocking of the file-sharing category?

  • Kanga

    As a frequent user…beware…The Labour government made a deal and any day now we are gonna be hit. Up the spyware peeps.

  • Jigsy

    >then the actual BitTorrent transfers will complete just fine

    For anyone who doesn’t know, Talk Talk throttle torrents during the days now from 15:00 to sometime in early morning. (01:30 or 02:00…)

  • coffeeright

    However, TorrentFreak has learned that it also has another trick up its sleeve – the option to block BitTorrent and other file-sharing related sites. We spoke with TalkTalk’s (always helpful) PR company in order to try and obtain a list of sites currently under blockade but we were told that one isn’t available. Of course one does exist, we just aren’t being given access to it.
    From the way this is worded, it seems people aren’t even forced to turn on the file sharing blocks, which is a good thing, of course. II may be reading wrong, but I don’t know.

  • Fugasmic

    Perhaps it’s time parents took the time out to learn how to protect their own family online rather than depending on others to do it for them.

  • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

    As long as this “service” is free (or bundled into your ‘package’) and remains 100% voluntary, then I see no problem with it whatsoever.

    The danger, of course, is when the government starts to pass fascist laws to force ISP’s into mandatory censorship, website blocking, and bandwidth throttling as a punishment for trying to share a copy of Bugs Bunny. Then all TalkTalk, etc need do, is flip that switch to force these filters on everyone’s account whether you want it or not.

    And it’ll all be due to the USA’s fucked-up MAFIAA, Labour’s Mandelson, and the Tory/LibDumb coalition via the UK’s Digital Economy Act 2010.

    THAT’s where the REAL problem originates my friends.

    • Blackjesus@1337x

      I agree. Talktalk have stood up to the goverment and the riaa/mafiaa they stood up to the DEB and refused to hand over details of customers with out court action. Im sure this is getting blow out of hand. I love p2p but i dont want my kids downloading porn torrents or the latest virus in some dodgy crack. This is no worse than cyber nanny. Im sure it wont effect adults.

    • NSA, CIA, = Freedom

      Normal kids turn terrorist with frustration and outrage.
      And it’ll all be due to the USA’s fucked-up MAFIAA, Labour’s Mandelson, and the Tory/LibDumb coalition via the UK’s Digital Economy Act 2010.

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  • loller

    In all fairness, a lot of torrent sites have adult advertisements, which could be a contributing factor.
    It’d be interesting to see whether or not private trackers’ websites that don’t contain adult advertisements are blocked also.

  • Rupert Murdock

    fuck that nanny shit

    im Rupert Murdock and Jack Murdock is a imposter

  • Rupert Murdock

    fuck that nanny shit

    im Rupert Murdock and Jack Murdock is a imposter

    • Ugly American

      Sue him for copywrong infringement. And buy him a new buttplug. Or two.

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  • CLL

    Actually, this could be a good idea. Most of us know our ways around these sort of blocks, and if one uses this optional block, and then ends up getting a “pay up or else” letter from a lawyer, one can say “look, you apparently have the wrong person. You see, my family has TalkTalk’s bittorrent block.”

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  • Anonymous

    Unbelievable, dont this people have anything better to do? Seriously.
    http://www.totally-anon.at.tc

    • Colincarr99

      Flagged

  • Legion

    And when the ISP’s see a constant connection to a known-vpn port, they know for sure they’ve lost. Again.

  • Darkknight145

    It will be interesting 6 months down the track to get a report about how many subscribers have enabled this option, how effective is, what effect it has on browsing.

  • EvilHom3r

    Thanks for telling me who to avoid. The blocks are probably DNS side, and it isn’t that hard to get around them…

    • Gavin

      It’s not a DNS level block, as my Roughter is set up to use Open DNS. But the blocks still works, untill I truned if off 2 mins later!

      But is a good idea, and would use if I had kids, or a wired housemate.

    • Gavin

      It’s not a DNS level block, as my Roughter is set up to use Open DNS. But the blocks still works, untill I truned if off 2 mins later!

      But is a good idea, and would use if I had kids, or a wired housemate.

      • NSA, CIA, = Freedom

        The effect is achieved via DEEP PACKET INSPECTION.
        Not good.

  • Anonymous

    Nothing unusual here when T-Mobile have been censoring websites in the name of protecting children for ages including TPB. You can have this feature turned off but impossible to do this step on the Internet it seems.

    I do think they are doing this the wrong way. It would be much better had they released SIMs clearly marketed as being Kids Safe. Then they can leave the normal SIMs alone while making it easy for parents to check the installed SIM in their kid’s phone from the colour scheme and network name.

    I also think such a scheme will make parents lazy in protecting their children on the Internet. For example while T-Mobile block TPB this is easy to get around using a web-proxy like fetch4.me and then they also fail to block most BT sites as can be found through a torrentz search.

    So sure great service for kids who are dumb. The problem then is most kids I know are good at problem solving making such a scheme only token protection.

  • Gavinnorthants

    I’m on Talktalk just tryed it out. It blocked isohunt.com, thepiratebay.org, newzbin.com, and the best one of all, it blocks torrentfreak.com, even though Torrent Freak is a news website!

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  • Talk Talk my ass

    Talk Talk are only bad news. After OFCOM forced BT to split their network division (now known as BT Openreach) from BT (the phone company) I can, as a BT broadband customer ,expect no better service if my broadband cocks up than if I was with those talk talk ass masters. OFCOM will not let BT Openreach give preferential service to BT (phone) customers despite the fact they own most of the infrastructure.

    BT aren’t great, but at least previously (like a decade to five ago), as a BT customer, I knew where buck stopped. Network problem? Call BT, they will eventually sort it.

    Not anymore. Now those talk talk asshats have bought my telephone exchange and I’m saddled with high latency and massive contention so they can promise everyone stupid enough to switch to talk talk that they will get 20mbps for free(with their bullshit phone packages) (actual speeds rarely exceed 8 mbps as admitted by door to door talk talk rep himself on his third mission to convince me to switch provider). OFCOM needs to take a good hard look at the shit storm they have unleashed with local loop unbundling in an obviously one sided market place.

    I’m sure LLU would have advantages for some but for me it has been a kick in the balls. Going from a slow but working company to an incompetent mess just about sums up broadband in the UK.

    Thank the lord some Asian companies are trying to sort us out with fibre to the home. Don’t leave it to the morons in charge here.

    God, I hate talk talk.

    • Gavinnorthants

      Actually I went with TalkTalk because they use ADSL2,+ which gives you upto 24Meg rather than BT who only offered ADSL which gives you upto 8 Meg!

      I also fined I get good speeds, and low pings, and if your on TalkTalk Pro they don’t seem to slow down P2P downloads at peek times. They do slow P2P down to about 5Kbs at peek times if your on there cheep package.

      • Talk Talk my ass

        I will admit I live in a semi-rural area and things may be rosier in cities. Obviously the equipment in high profit areas will be upgraded first. Population around me is about 40,000.

        For me its a sad state of affairs. Check out who owns your exchange. I suspect BT may still be in charge or you live in a high potential profit area. I have a few little things that require a stable connection with good uptime and low latency. Since talk talk took over I have had to move these things out to a dedi at a data centre just to achieve this. I can expect 2-3 disconnect a day at home. Not that this extra expenditure will be compensated by my ISP (BT). Which is infuriating because prior to this they could have sorted it out.

        As for anyone interested in throttling of bittorrent traffic on BT Broadband,(this may be common knowledge in which case I apologise) I have found that with BT forcing encryption(its an option in muTorrent) restores speeds even at peak times (last time i checked).

        Also, the last time some goon from Talk Talk came to persuade me to switch they told me their data cap was 60gigs per month. Totally unacceptable. He may have been mis-informed but I can only go by what he said.

      • Derp

        I’m at 10M and frankly, it’s enough for most things. I don’t care waiting 2h for an 8Gb torrent…

  • http://profiles.google.com/justifun Justin K
    • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

      lol, I was inclined to flag that as spam, but checked it out and decided not to.
      Good one :)

  • Foff

    what nonsense. The best censor is to walk into you kids bedroom and check what is on the screen or check the history when he/she is not around and when the kid is there on the computer make sure the door is open.

    I have never relied on censor software. I don’t want someone’s list f$cking up my computers.

  • http://toby7728.myopenid.com/ TT7728

    They should at least allow parents to be able to see exactly what sites are being blocked. And why the fuck would they block TorrentFreak? You can’t exactly download torrents from here. That’s just censorship.

    I still like TalkTalk though – they don’t send customer details to copyright holders.

  • Anonymous

    Funny that they are “accidentally” blocking a news website…
    Must be an “incident” because software automatically “analyses” the webpage.

    So all websites with the word torrent, DVDrip, (wiki)leak or something need to start checking if they are not accidentally being censored? But don’t worry, your free speech is only “optionally” censored. Yes, the customer choses to have sites blocked, but they don’t know what sites will be blocked. But… Talk Talk knows what is good for you!

    I have a plan! Lets let someone from the Westboro Baptist Church run the filter!
    No? Who than? Me? No, let Talk Talk do it. Because there is no chance i accidentally work there… MUHAHAHAHAHAHA!

  • A2in

    This is nothing new, what is worrying however is that TalkTalk are one of the UK’s largest ISPs. By showing that they can implement this “content filtering” there’s no reason they couldn’t enforce a blanket blocklist, from IWF for example, with the next step being agreeing to FACT and other “copyright lobbyist” groups demands to block “illegal” filesharing sites.

    IMO they’ve just bent over and given themselves one for the whole UK ISP industry!

  • Anonymous

    If bittorrent sites are down, they should use Usenet / newsgroups to watch their favorites shows.
    Moreover usenet is faster than torrent because it use direct
    download…also there is the new nntp protocol…have a look on this
    usenet comparison engine: http://best-newsgroup-provider.com and find
    the offer that suits you the best…i found unlimited plan (downloads +
    speed) at $8.33/mo…that’s a good and secure deal ! not like torrents
    :)

  • http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

    Haha, it blocks TorrentFreak? I didn’t know you guys corrupted youthful minds. I can imagine an awkward situation where one’s mother walks into the room to find her son vigorously… reading TorrentFreak.

    • Ninja

      I lol’d warmly at your comment ;D
      Pure win!

  • PI

    Why would parents want to use such tool? If you are kid you can always make linux usb key then put it on usb slot slam now you have unrestricted pc and browsing does not leave any evidence (history). And when you unplug usb or press reset it goes back normal. And if you little kid and here is tip: you can clear history, if you use firefox you can just clear last hour. And all evidence is gone(browsing history). Then they cant catch you for reading torrentfreak, unless they turn and see that you do it. And if you reading actually torrentfreak you probably know already how to make that kind evil tool.

    Leaving door open when kids are on computer is best think that you do (since you can always watch what they are doing, however you cant watch them always or all time, so better tell them what they can do, like restricted time on that computer like 1hour per day, after homework’s ofc). Kids will play games most part what they will do on computer that’s it. So would not be so worried.

    If you want restriction internet access do not add internet to that pc they don’t even know that it is not connected (you can remove network cable, or disable it, then let them only play as restricted account not as admin). I am assuming that you have multiple pc i would never allow my own kids to come mess to my pc rather buy them they own pc or give one my old ones created from spare parts(spare part = when you buy new one, old one becomes spare part, unless it broken). Why is that? I still want play my games and if kids have conquered that pc i would never get on it.

  • Anonymous

    Wow, that just doesnt make any sense at all dude. http://www.totally-anon.at.tc

  • Ninja

    OpenDns does that for free. You can personalize and make a whitelist based mode for instance if you are willing to pay a very low amount per year. And you can configure it directly in the router so kids will have more trouble circumventing it. It’s DNS based so you can always workaround.

    While it is a nice service the fact that TF is blocked shows that it needs both more transparency and less morons working on the block lists. The only nice feature is the pre-load of the page and preventive block of malicious scripts.

    The kids? In the end nothing will really protect them besides parents that do participate in their kids lives. You can’t just let your kid in the world wild web alone without counseling, even if it’s about a teenager already. They are prone to doing the dumbest things online.

    • Rex

      I don’t know why you would need to protect children anyway. I too started internetting at an age of 11-12, without any help or censoring by my parents. 15 yrs later I own a big Internet business.Sure, it could help for some people to have some guidance, but censorship is not guidance……

      • Ninja

        My parents are to the internet what a cave man would be to a cellphone. Actually they got much better after I started educating them. But the fact is, my first contact with porn was at 12 years old. This hasn’t produced any personality issue other than making me a hopeless perv.. I mean, no problem at all. But jokes apart it’s thanks to the fact that I always had an open channel to talk with my parents and sex was never a taboo at home. So, yes, I do agree with you that it’s not necessarily a bad thing although I’ll try to keep my kids away from porn till about the same age.

        But you missed the point. You don’t give cars in the hands of a young adult without training for a reason. It’s about getting them ready and gradually giving them full control. And even this is not what would be my biggest worry.

        Were you ever approached by some pedo maniac that tried to convince you to go somewhere without telling your parents? Me neither. What could have happened if we weren’t that fortunate? Sometimes the kid won’t see any problem with what this stranger is proposing. Sometimes the kid will think the stranger behind facebook is actually a kid at the same age and won’t see a problem in slipping away just a bit to exchange pokemon cards with th other “kid”. Can you see the problem?

        So while I have no intention of censoring my kids’ connections I have full intention of protecting them by teaching them how to deal with this wild animal before letting them ride it alone. If you want to call this censoring then go ahead. I call it being a responsible parent. Unfortunately my parents weren’t able to protect me due to their own limitations but they were wonderful in all other aspects and that balanced this ‘handicap’.

        • Sdasds

          @8d29b83a1914ac2e8b92bcaa0805147e:disqus You are not a hopeless pevert… Its normal to feel sexual atraction.

          The only thing porn to children do is hurt religious indroctrinaton from a religion which depends on it.
          ..

    • Gae

      I use opendns and it does similar, it can block individual sites or you can choose a category to block and of course p2p are one of the categories available to block.

      I don’t think it is a problem offering a service like this as long as it remains optional.

  • Anonymous

    I’m with talktalk and i’m reading torrentfreak just fine.

  • http://otester.myopenid.com/ PiRat

    If you’re stupid enough to go with CrapCrap, you deserve all you get.

  • Rabbit80

    I’ll just continue using my proxy provided by my seedbox via my VPN then. It’s all good!

  • ironx

    wow i think that world is turning into a big pussy state got to shelter kid from every thing they might get hurt…. what a load of shit if we keep sheltering people from the true world they are going to turn out gay and think thats alright or be afraid to even go out because they might get a cold or get bullied or hurt or scratched….. i think this is a way for our governments to add fear to our lives and make us believe only they are right BULL SHIT… its so bad here in my home town they wont allow floor hockey or doge ball or base ball any more in the school because they might get hurt they even tell the kids its ok to be gay it normal WTF… i talked to a kid one time and asked him if he like to play base ball he aid no cause they said i can get hurt and not be able to work in the future i was WTF is this what there teaching our kids …. he goes on to say when i asked him do u like fast cars or nice cars he said yes but he also said that my teacher and parents say its not good to drive any more because if i do all the bears i the snow will die and we will too ….. i was just sickened by what there being told …. there converting our future generation to be a nanny pussy state to be scared of everything ….. this might seem long but this is one thing i believe in … i refuser to shelter any kids i know … i will show them what shown and play rough with them ETC and u know what they will grow up not being afraid of being hurt or believe any of the crapt they are taught and to do what they like to do and play what they want to play and say or look ay what they want to … there going to learn all about it anyways and dont say is bad for them …. its not that what they want us to believe

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=605550913 Simon Brown

    TalkTalk act all high and mighty when it comes to file sharing, but they still throttle P2P traffic.

    • Rabbit80

      Not on the unlimited packages they don’t. I can D/L torrents / emule etc with TalkTalk at my maximum line speed – even during peak hours (not that I do this much as I have a seedbox and generally use a VPN anyway). To be honest, I have no issues with TalkTalk’s speeds at all – My biggest issue is that BT still control the line from the exchange and as a result I cannot get more than around 9Mbps.

    • Rabbit80

      Not on the unlimited packages they don’t. I can D/L torrents / emule etc with TalkTalk at my maximum line speed – even during peak hours (not that I do this much as I have a seedbox and generally use a VPN anyway). To be honest, I have no issues with TalkTalk’s speeds at all – My biggest issue is that BT still control the line from the exchange and as a result I cannot get more than around 9Mbps.

  • Whatever

    It seems to me that the filter is live (if not then porn blocking doesn’t work either). Torrentfreak is blocked because it has the word torrent on the site. Someone with a webpage should try to access their own page after placing the word torrent somewhere (someone with talktalk)

    The filter is probably something stupid like this:

    1. Find word “torrent” in site.

    2. If result = yes then block.

    Couldn’t be easier.

    For TF not to be blocked it will probably need a whitelist entry at the ISP.

    As for parental control, children can’t do much harm or be harmed if the computer they use is correctly secured (not all will agree) . For any parent the first thing is NOT to make the kids administrator (Didn’t even find children games that needed it YET, although did need to set specific rights to some items) but normal users. This is already half the solution. It also saves a lot of work when some other kids come over and try to install some vague applications from the internet.

    (BTW: Beware of “web applications” like a Google youtube programs with webcam access)

  • Matheus Svensson

    To be fair to TalkTak, HomeSafe is provided using bought in technology. Similarly, very few people care what lists and algorithms are used by the anti-virus software on their local computer, just that it works.

    The system is provided by Huawei-Symantec . If you want to learn a little more, you can read Dr Clayton’s short summary.

    http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rnc1/talktalk.pdf

    Even if TalkTalk knows the minutiae of how HomeSafe works, it’s likely forbidden from divulging any information by the contract it’s signed.

    Dr Clayton’s report states that HTTPS is unaffected. Can any TalkTalk users confirm that secure sites such as the following are reachable?

    https://thepiratebay.org/

    https://isohunt.com/

    https://www.newzbin.com/

    https://www.rapidshare.com/

    and even

    https://torrentfreak.com/

    Note, the TorrentFreak web server does not send the necessary intermediate certificates for the site’s certificate. This may cause your browser to freak out. If your browser has seen the intermediate certificates in the past and cached them, there is no problem. If the browser doesn’t know the intermediate certificates, it won’t be able to validate the certificate for TorrentFreak. You can manually download them from Comodo and install them in your browser.

    https://support.comodo.com/index.php?_m=downloads&_a=downloadfile&downloaditemid=31

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  • Tommy

    And lewts not forget about that other form of censorship we have here in the uk, going under the guise as a net nanny called the (IWF)  and it’s filter list’s,and more importantly the way in which isp’s implement it, they never get it right,
    Isp BE THERE /O2 has to be be the worse at filtering using the IWF lists, blocking all downloads from several file hosting sites, mainly FILESERVE.COM FILESONIC.COM are affected the most, even those with a premium account are being restricted getting speeds of only 200kbps instead of line speed, with the download failing to complete, they are blanket blocking these and surely that must be illegal ?

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