Top 10 Most Pirated Movies and TV Shows of 2007

Ernesto
January 1, 2008
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TV-shows are by far the most popular files on BitTorrent sites. On Mininova alone, some episodes are downloaded more than 2 million times. Movies are a good second, with over 500.000 downloads for the most popular titles.

The popularity of movies and TV-shows hasn’t gone unnoticed, with some TV-studios allegedly use BitTorrent as a marketing tool, and others leaking unaired pilots intentionally. Independent filmmakers also benefit from spreading their files on BitTorrent. It is completely free and enables them to reach a huge audience.

We made a list of the most downloaded movies and TV-shows of 2007, including the number of downloads the most popular torrents got on Mininova. Note that the actual download count is much higher since there are often more torrents for the same file, and there are more BitTorrent sites of course.

The data used for these lists is retrieved from Mininova and considered to be a representative sample.

Movies

Ranking	Movie (downloads on Mininova)
1	Transformers (569.259)
2	Knocked Up (509.314)
3	Shooter (399.960)
4	Pirates Of The.Caribbean At World’s End (379.749)
5	Ratatouille (359.904)
6	300 (358.226)
7	Next (354.044)
8	Hot Fuzz (352.905)
9	The Bourne Ultimatum (336.326)
10	Zodiac (334.699)

TV-Shows

Ranking	TV-Shows (downloads most popular episode on Mininova)
1	Heroes (2.439.154)
2	Top Gear (1.217.923)
3	Battlestar Galactica (706.209)
4	Lost (705.724)
5	Prison Break (608.487)
6	Desperate Housewives (457.805)
7	24 (524.303)
8	Family Guy (522.839)
9	Dexter (435.670)
10	Scrubs (427.420)

As we have pointed out before, the entertainment industry should learn how to embrace technology and compete with piracy, instead of fighting its customers. The rise of illegal downloading is a signal that customers want something that is not available through other channels, it’s more about availability than the fact that it’s free, as illustrated by the huge number of downloads TV-shows have.

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Anonymous

WHUT? FAMILY GUY? ONLY 8?
I’m going to have to rectify this for ’09 by downloading every episode of Family Guy again.
And again.
And againandagainandagainandagainandagainandagainandagainandagainandagain…. Interesting list, ta.
nech

Most downloaded movie of 2008 will be Cloverfield, I have been in that ARG since the thing started on Unficiton.
fedor

The rise of illegal downloading is a signal that customers want something that is not available through other channels, it’s more about availability than the fact that it’s free, as illustrated by the huge number of downloads TV-shows have.
—–
It’s true. :)
Peter Green

“it’s more about availability than the fact that it’s free”

I guess it is in a lot of cases, but I would say that when people are pushed towards a download system that is free as well as what they are looking for and want, they will get very used to the free part!
So I would suggest that the people concerned should get their fat over paid fingers out of their bums and embrace technology.
Mr.IceMan

[quote comment="253607"]The rise of illegal downloading is a signal that customers want something that is not available through other channels, it’s more about availability than the fact that it’s free, as illustrated by the huge number of downloads TV-shows have.
—–
It’s true. :)[/quote]

It means people want video on demand in the comforts of there home and not going to movies and standing in line sitting in the smelly sits and walking on a sticky floor
Anonymous

[quote]Note that the actual download count is much higher since there are often more torrents for the same file, and there are more BitTorrent sites of course.[/quote]

Often? You mean always?
Anthony to the S.

The “old money” methods of making a profit are just too too viable to the industry for them to ever really embrace new tech until it’s way too late. Needs some new blood in that game!
lost

its because we have to wait like 6 months longer for stuff to come out here
Warm For Your Form

It’s clear that Top Gear is number 2 because the rest of the world wants to watch it when the UK does.

In Australia we get to watch it 2-3 years later, by this time the new and exciting car they are talking about has already been replaced by something newer and more exciting.

Sure, it’s probably the best looking show on TV and certainly one of the most entertaining, but I wouldn’t download it if it was broadcast locally.
Kuuzka

Haha!
I have downloaded all of those. Not familygur or scrubs though.

Top gear is the best tv-show and best movie was hot fuzz (or no country for old men which was’nt on the list).
Anonymous

why is desperate housewives higher than 24 and Family Guy but has less downloads?
Andrew

“It’s clear that Top Gear is number 2 because the rest of the world wants to watch it when the UK does.”

That’s exactly the case. It was almost two entire years before Torchwood showed up on American television, and Doctor Who isn’t any better, though it’s only about six months before it comes over the pond.

There is a large number of people that aches for quality programming and the source of it simply doesn’t matter to us. The BBC airs great stuff, and we’d love to have it here, but let’s face it: BBC America is only a pale imitator of the original. Even BBC-A chops up its programming, and Top Gear is a perfect example of it. Part of it is understandable, given that it airs so much later (they have little need to show news), but it also completely ruins the flow of the program.
joehnQ

Err most downloaded movie of 2008 will be darkknight or iron man common u know it.
brooker

why is desperate housewives higher than 24 and Family Guy but has less downloads?
Ravi

pretty sad how heroes has been pirated so many times although u can watch it in extremely good quality ON NBC ITSELF
Siriquelle

The Latest season of tv shows cost more than previous ones. I think that maybe the money lost through piracy doesn’t come close to the potential earnings of syndication. piracy is cost effective in relation to meeting the demand.
Siriquelle

The Latest season of tv shows cost more than previous ones. I think that maybe the money lost through piracy doesn’t come close to the potential earnings of syndication. This ammount of piracy is ‘cost effective’ when it comes to meeting the demands of the torrent clients community.
Stoli

This article is fucking stupid. MININOVA (alone) DECIDES WHAT THE MOST DOWNLOADED CONTENT IS?!

Let’s totally ignore private sites, and hell, even other public trackers!
Nerys

For me its a matter of convenience quality format and control.

If the studio’s released TV shows online free for download in 350mb xvid/divx format from a quality source with a quality compression I would GLADLY download it from them. Commercials and all. I really do not mind commercials that much as long as they are not ANNOYING like what sci-fi sometimes does with commercials every few minutes. Dozens of them. Keep it to 10 minutes of commercials in 2 or 3 “sets” and I will gladly download it from you.

ANY DRM ANY conditions ANY Restrictions and back to bit torrent I go. ANY COST better be met with ZERO commercials and still NO restrictions and the price better be cheap $1 an episodes sounds about right. (Music should be around 12 cents a pop)

These are my terms. They are not really up for negotiation. Accept them or I will enforce them myself with bit torrent or a recorder etc.. This is not a discussion. I am the consumer if you want my eyes or my money it WILL be on MY terms NOT yours.

Once they learn this they can go back to making good programs and raking in the cash.
Dan

I would like to watch Entourage, but I don’t want to pay for ALL of HBO(or Showtime not sure which it is on). But I would still pay “something” for it if given the option to download quality versions.
MISSLEE

and how many movies where bought out by AXXO?
.

[quote comment="253700"]pretty sad how heroes has been pirated so many times although u can watch it in extremely good quality ON NBC ITSELF[/quote]
I didnt see the first, and only recently got into Heroes. When I got into it, it was just after the Writers Strike started so, in support of the writers, downloaded it from a torrent rather than NBC.

Can’t speak for everyone else, just giving my reason.
Anonymous

[quote comment="253700"]pretty sad how heroes has been pirated so many times although u can watch it in extremely good quality ON NBC ITSELF[/quote]

I would gladly watch heroes on NBC,
but they don’t allow me to because I don’t live in US.
An as you can see about much pirating
is do to the fact that the show is delayed at the fans location.
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Koric

this is the shit that makes me dislike torrentfreak………

announcer: next up even more whoopdyfuckingdoo no one gives a shit news!
Jam

Â«An as you can see about much pirating
is do to the fact that the show is delayed at the fans location.Â»

Indeed. But that doesn’t equal “losses” for the US networks. In the last couple of years European TV networks have been buying lots of shows quite quickly, even when the seasons is still halfway in the US. When, before, they wouldn’t take less than two years to bring a US show.
Okivash

[quote comment="253700"]pretty sad how heroes has been pirated so many times although u can watch it in extremely good quality ON NBC ITSELF[/quote]

Ravi, your totally disregarding the fact the NBC blocks viewers outside the US from viewing on their website… dont be so quick to forget the millions of people from around the world also want to watch the latest episodes as they release, this is how I get all my TV from the US!
BillIsGay

What the freaks says it’s all true.
I’m from a country where not all titles are available except only in cable. I really like watching episodes in my own comfort without waiting for the schedule and sometimes unable to watch it due to busy days. Plus some channels cut some scenes for the advertisements though i have nothing against ads. Instead of avoiding the inevitable why not embrace the technology and benefit from it I’m pretty sure they will gain more profit if they’ll make their eps more available to the masses, a lot cheaper and besides Internet is the New T.V. XD
me

[quote comment="253707"]This article is fucking stupid. MININOVA (alone) DECIDES WHAT THE MOST DOWNLOADED CONTENT IS?!

Let’s totally ignore private sites, and hell, even other public trackers![/quote]
you douchebag, did you even read the article?
[quote]The data used for these lists is provided by Mininova and considered to be a representative sample.[/quote]
me

so you can times these stats by at LEAST 5 and get a rough idea of the power of p2p
null

[quote comment="253690"]There is a large number of people that aches for quality programming and the source of it simply doesn’t matter to us. The BBC airs great stuff, and we’d love to have it here, but let’s face it: BBC America is only a pale imitator of the original. Even BBC-A chops up its programming, and Top Gear is a perfect example of it. Part of it is understandable, given that it airs so much later (they have little need to show news), but it also completely ruins the flow of the program.[/quote]

I totally agree with that you’re saying, but I think because the BBC is funded by us (the public) they have to be careful otherwise people would complain that everyone else gets it for free.
Emily

Another thing to take into account when looking at the high number of TV show downloads is the concept of morality. People feel more comfortable downloading a video when they have (often) free access to it. People use a system of relative ethics which becomes entangled in a net of factors: video length, quality, time since first aired legally, availability, and, when it comes down to it, desirablity. Once these moral issues have been considered, one may proceed to acknowledge a simple, fatalistic concept of convenience (an Americanized term used to disguise laziness).
Happy (early) New Year!

Hahaha, not to be sexist, but aren’t most p2pers guys, and isn’t Desperate Housewives a women’s show?

Very funny, and depressing that guys watch that. =[
optimist

yah it’s much easier to dl than to go to a store a buy it. Seriously, have u ever been to a store and u want to buy a movie and they ran out ? it sucks doesn’t it
Onikk

[quote comment="253708"]For me its a matter of convenience quality format and control.

If the studio’s released TV shows online free for download in 350mb xvid/divx format from a quality source with a quality compression I would GLADLY download it from them. Commercials and all. I really do not mind commercials that much as long as they are not ANNOYING like what sci-fi sometimes does with commercials every few minutes. Dozens of them. Keep it to 10 minutes of commercials in 2 or 3 “sets” and I will gladly download it from you.

ANY DRM ANY conditions ANY Restrictions and back to bit torrent I go. ANY COST better be met with ZERO commercials and still NO restrictions and the price better be cheap $1 an episodes sounds about right. (Music should be around 12 cents a pop)

These are my terms. They are not really up for negotiation. Accept them or I will enforce them myself with bit torrent or a recorder etc.. This is not a discussion. I am the consumer if you want my eyes or my money it WILL be on MY terms NOT yours.

Once they learn this they can go back to making good programs and raking in the cash.[/quote]

Warning: Duche Bag Alert!
Onikk

effe! it quoted the wrong one.. sorry man, didn’t mean to call you a duchebag
Anonymous

[quote comment="253691"]Err most downloaded movie of 2008 will be darkknight or iron man common u know it.[/quote]
You mean Dark Knight and Indy 4, Iron Man will be a distant 3rd
anon0dude

biggest disappointment: Zodiac…

tho I’m surprised that Colbert and the Daily Show aren’t in there…
d1ddyp0p

It’s kind of odd how people have no idea, but I work for a company that is employed by CBS, and we’re basically in charge of discovering marketing tactics and such, along with their own marketing team. However, our main focus is on digital means as well as doing surveys and such. Anyway, currently television studios, probably all of them, are trying to incorporate online downloading into their game plan. It is difficult to do though, since many advertisers HATE the internet as a way of advertising and they have the most say. People ignore internet ads too much. Offering shows without ads, means no money. Product placement can be incorporated except that it can make things cheesy. We’re currently working on a way to download free shows (no drm) but running a little ad before the download, than in order to download, one must answer a question from the previous commercial to show that they paid attention. People WILL do this because our servers will give 300k/sec downloads and option of 3 quality levels such as MP3player, VCD, and HD. Give us 2 years, and this will be the major way we’re doing business. In fact, there is a company that is designing a set top box which is basically a computer that uses IPTV and has a video on demand service as well as can receive cable from your service providers as well.
Adam

“it’s more about availability than the fact that it’s free”

But how do you explain Heroes (which is available for free from NBC.com and yet is #1) and Battlestar Galactica (which is available commercial free from itunes but is #3).

Also, Zodiac didn’t do very well at the box office but is #10? Where was the audience in the theaters?
Mr. Download

[quote comment="253708"]For me its a matter of convenience quality format and control.

If the studio’s released TV shows online free for download in 350mb xvid/divx format from a quality source with a quality compression I would GLADLY download it from them. Commercials and all. I really do not mind commercials that much as long as they are not ANNOYING like what sci-fi sometimes does with commercials every few minutes. Dozens of them. Keep it to 10 minutes of commercials in 2 or 3 “sets” and I will gladly download it from you.

ANY DRM ANY conditions ANY Restrictions and back to bit torrent I go. ANY COST better be met with ZERO commercials and still NO restrictions and the price better be cheap $1 an episodes sounds about right. (Music should be around 12 cents a pop)

These are my terms. They are not really up for negotiation. Accept them or I will enforce them myself with bit torrent or a recorder etc.. This is not a discussion. I am the consumer if you want my eyes or my money it WILL be on MY terms NOT yours.

Once they learn this they can go back to making good programs and raking in the cash.[/quote]

(massive applause, standing ovation)
Exactly! Well said.
Mr. Download

[quote comment="253826"]Warning: Duche Bag Alert![/quote]

Thanks for the warning, but we saw you coming. :P

Oh, and I think I hear the Spelling Teacher coming!
The Spelling Teacher

Douche. D-O-U-C-H-E. Douche.

As in, “You are a total douche.”

Class dismissed. :D
Anonymous

[quote comment="253899"]“it’s more about availability than the fact that it’s free”

But how do you explain Heroes (which is available for free from NBC.com and yet is #1) and Battlestar Galactica (which is available commercial free from itunes but is #3).

Also, Zodiac didn’t do very well at the box office but is #10? Where was the audience in the theaters?[/quote]

300kilobits?
That not even worth the start of the download.
foobar

According to the Free Software Foundation, “piracy” is one of these Some Confusing or Loaded Words and Phrases that are Worth Avoiding:

“Publishers often refer to prohibited copying as “piracy.” In this way, they imply that illegal copying is ethically equivalent to attacking ships on the high seas, kidnapping and murdering the people on them.

If you don’t believe that illegal copying is just like kidnapping and murder, you might prefer not to use the word “piracy” to describe it. Neutral terms such as “prohibited copying” or “unauthorized copying” are available for use instead. Some of us might even prefer to use a positive term such as “sharing information with your neighbor.”"
foobar

Copyright apologists often use words like “stolen” and “theft” to describe copyright infringement. At the same time, they ask us to treat the legal system as an authority on ethics: if copying is forbidden, it must be wrong.

So it is pertinent to mention that the legal systemâ€”at least in the USâ€”rejects the idea that copyright infringement is “theft.” Copyright apologists are making an appeal to authority â€¦ and misrepresenting what authority says.

The idea that laws decide what is right or wrong is mistaken in general. Laws are, at their best, an attempt to achieve justice; to say that laws define justice or ethical conduct is turning things upside down.
zarathustra

[quote comment="253752"]this is the shit that makes me dislike torrentfreak………

announcer: next up even more whoopdyfuckingdoo no one gives a shit news![/quote]

Fuck off back to 4chan then, ya dolt…
Mark

Heroes is awesome. Until I downloaded it on thepiratebay, I had never seen an episode. I finally got to see seasons 1 and 2. It’s so good I am going to go buy the first season on DVD.
Boris the invader

Top Gear is a cult in Australia. SBS could show it a couple of days after the UK release. They know it will rate well. Instead they’ve decided to spend the cash and do their own version. BOMB alert! No one will ever be Jeremy C.
Viper007Bond

Woot, one of my torrents was mentioned on TorrentFreak! :D

(the Top Gear one)
neeks

[quote comment="253899"]But how do you explain Heroes (which is available for free from NBC.com and yet is #1) and Battlestar Galactica (which is available commercial free from itunes but is #3).[/quote]

They’re both also available from P2P, without cost and commercial free.

I can’t judge the quality and speed on NBC.com and neither know how fast they get the shows on the site, since I and the rest of the world outside the US (this is a lot of people, by the way) aren’t allowed in. I’m guessing it’s a pixelated, streaming bit-soup.

When it comes to the iTunes (iTV-Shows!?) store, you have to wait the arbitrary length of at least one day after the show has aired to get it in 640×480. At least according to the site. I don’t want to check what they do to get them into that resolution…

P2P offers shows in all available resolutions and in equipment-friendly formats, on time and blazingly fast (at least relative to the competitors). P2P wins. Fatality.
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Tekka

I download LOST, heroes and family guy, but I also buy them when they are available on DVD. I’m i Australia so it’s easier to watch them via downloading and get my fix then through commercial networks.
JohnnyFACEHEAD

i do it because it makes me a pirate, and pirates are cool.
Axel

intresting that Simpsons is loosing its tight grip over the TV industry..

Also z0mfg dexter is the worst show ever.
Anonymous

Here’s a toast to downloading even more content in 2008.
Tom

I had no idea that top gear was such a well known / liked show, I thought the world hated British programming – I sure as hell hate Eastenders :D
Anonymous

[quote comment="253878"]It’s kind of odd how people have no idea, but I work for a company that is employed by CBS, and we’re basically in charge of discovering marketing tactics and such, along with their own marketing team. However, our main focus is on digital means as well as doing surveys and such. Anyway, currently television studios, probably all of them, are trying to incorporate online downloading into their game plan. It is difficult to do though, since many advertisers HATE the internet as a way of advertising and they have the most say. People ignore internet ads too much. Offering shows without ads, means no money. Product placement can be incorporated except that it can make things cheesy. We’re currently working on a way to download free shows (no drm) but running a little ad before the download, than in order to download, one must answer a question from the previous commercial to show that they paid attention. People WILL do this because our servers will give 300k/sec downloads and option of 3 quality levels such as MP3player, VCD, and HD. Give us 2 years, and this will be the major way we’re doing business. In fact, there is a company that is designing a set top box which is basically a computer that uses IPTV and has a video on demand service as well as can receive cable from your service providers as well.[/quote]

That sounds like a good idea.
Tenche

I personaly dont download movie for the simple reason ITS WORSE THEN ANYTHING ELSE..
They are really looking for people who pirate movies over games and songs..

I did once download the first 10% of I am Legend just to get mediasentry’s IP into my peerguardian so I could Slap them with that IP slapping program lol
But then I quickly deleted all contents from my computer and had peerguardian and my Antivirus running.

ALSO I could see WAY AFTER I turned my Bittorrent off they were still trying to hit me through peerguardian.. Newbs…
Even if they got through peerguardian I use a number of safe ways to hide my info…
….-=\

I believe that movies are a complete waste of our precious time
I’ve got better things to do…
The reason why I am no longer interested in fantasy created to twist our reality…

Peace.
Scott

“it’s more about availability than the fact that it’s free, as illustrated by the huge number of downloads TV-shows have”

Is that true? Didn’t Radiohead offer its album online, payable by credit card, without a record company? I’d say that’s the peak of availability, and yet 60% of its customers chose to acquire that album for free from the Radiohead website.

I’d say FREE really plays into the equation here!!
shiva

This article has been pirated in one of India’s top sites called rediff.com. please check it out guys

http://specials.rediff.com/movies/2008/jan/02sli1.htm
stellamanna

@ tom
i thought the same!
top gear no.2 in the list? whod have thought it? but it is fooking great though! the polar expedition was superb!
c’mon bbc, start selling top gear for a bit more, you could then reduce my licence fee!
Of course

Given that:
* they don’t release episodes til at least a season or so behind the US (e.g. everything on the list)

Hell, I download stuff. Mainly because I don’t watch TV and am not in the USA.

Difference is (with a lot of people reading this) is that I also get the DVDs when they come out. Same with songs: if you like an artist you aren’t helping ‘em by pirating their music and not giving anything back.

Also: to all you people downloading family guy without every buying a DVD: you do realise that DVD sales were the only thing that brought it back. If you want it to survive then don’t just mooch it, buy something occasionally.
Ola, Sweden

[quote comment="253878"]It’s kind of odd how people have no idea, but I work for a company that is employed by CBS, and we’re basically in charge of discovering marketing tactics and such, along with their own marketing team. However, our main focus is on digital means as well as doing surveys and such. Anyway, currently television studios, probably all of them, are trying to incorporate online downloading into their game plan. It is difficult to do though, since many advertisers HATE the internet as a way of advertising and they have the most say. People ignore internet ads too much. Offering shows without ads, means no money. Product placement can be incorporated except that it can make things cheesy. We’re currently working on a way to download free shows (no drm) but running a little ad before the download, than in order to download, one must answer a question from the previous commercial to show that they paid attention. People WILL do this because our servers will give 300k/sec downloads and option of 3 quality levels such as MP3player, VCD, and HD. Give us 2 years, and this will be the major way we’re doing business. In fact, there is a company that is designing a set top box which is basically a computer that uses IPTV and has a video on demand service as well as can receive cable from your service providers as well.[/quote]

This sounds great and it’s amazing to hear that the networks are doing this kind of work (because it doesn’t show at all yet.).

BUT, they need to make this available to the whole internet, not just the US. And the 300 k/sec speeds sound okay i guess but are still no match against the 10 MB/s i get from torrents immediately after the episodes are shown in the US (yes that’s megabytes, not bits).

The BitTorrent protocol is essential to make this possible. Don’t even think about using the servers you mentioned as old school Internet servers just streaming content at 300 k/sec.

Keep up the good work and convince the networks and advertisers that this is the way to go!
Anonymous

[quote]I did once download the first 10% of I am Legend just to get mediasentry’s IP into my peerguardian so I could Slap them with that IP slapping program lol
But then I quickly deleted all contents from my computer and had peerguardian and my Antivirus running.

ALSO I could see WAY AFTER I turned my Bittorrent off they were still trying to hit me through peerguardian.. Newbsâ€¦
Even if they got through peerguardian I use a number of safe ways to hide my infoâ€¦[/quote]

ANTI-P2P BLOCKLISTS ARE NOT EFFECTIVE. THEY WILL NOT KEEP YOU ANONYMOUS, THEY ARE NEXT TO USELESS.

I had to use caps, really :)
GanglyTeeters

Transformers – #1
Bourne – #9

Now that’s fucking sad.
Warm For Your Form

[quote comment="254132"]This sounds great and it’s amazing to hear that the networks are doing this kind of work (because it doesn’t show at all yet.).[/quote]
If the TV networks (or any other media distributer) are working on a content download system, why do the representing authorities persue file sharing with such vigor? Why don’t the put their energy into developing a standard system of delivery with the TV networks to ensure future income streams rather than asinine legal cases against end users, the very people they’re trying to reach.

Oh wait, it was a rhetorical question because the anti-piracy organisations represent their own interests, not the interests of the artists or producers.

I find the concept amusing that this technology is 2 years away in the USA when it exists in the UK and Australia already. I downloaded all the episodes of Summer Heights High from the network website because I enjoyed watching the series on TV so much and bought the DVD when it was released.
jsk

i’d be funny if the most downloaded movie on 2008 was High School Musical 3 which will suck just like the other ones.
Norm

I was forced to watch Transformers at a family gathering the other day. It sucked.

There was simply no content. The movie was just scene after scene of special effects, references, and nostalgia. The plot just seemed to act as filler. The characters were 2 dimensional, and downright obnoxious. The actual transformers cartoon had more depth that this excuse for a movie.

That’s why I’m so glad Transformers is getting pirated. That means somewhere down the line, somebody’s loosing money. That makes up for the 2 fucking hours I had to spend watching that pile of crap. In fact I might just seed a torrent of Transformers to help the thing along.
Riot

I don’t know about you, but some stuff is not only difficult, but downright impossible to find in certain areas, at least without a high import tax. For the music, it would help them a lot more if I purchased a ticket into their concert than if I were to buy a CD in which they get a commission for, unless its all indie stuff. Well, we can talk this to death but the basic reasoning is that you want to survive in the most comfort you can, and if you can do it without paying, why not right? You’re not really hurting anyone by downloading, its more like you’re getting stuff you wouldn’t have purchased anyways, or wanna try before getting. Its not reasonable to go into a move theatre to find out the movie sucked, and they still got your money, or the album you got only have 2 good songs on it.
anonymous42

I look at the internet, p2p, and such, as my VCR/PVR/VOD. I pay for cable, I pay to rent my PVR, but I still miss shows, or my cable company screws up the timing and I miss the ending of a show. With the PVR I skip the commercials anyway, with the download, no commercials to skip, and for series I really enjoy, like heroes, I still went out and bought the DVD’s. Fianly, the networks haven’t clued in that putting a two month break in the middle of a series is just a major piss off, so for shows such as SG-Atlantis, I can get it from a UK broadcast, only a couple of weeks after it’s stopped airing in NA, and a month or more before it picks up again here. As far as I’m concerned I’ve paid for the content by paying my cable bill, how I watch it or when is none of their damn business.
maxibon

oh yea. top gear no. 2. oh yea. oh yea.
Scott

[quote comment="254205"]
If the TV networks (or any other media distributer) are working on a content download system, why do the representing authorities persue file sharing with such vigor? Why don’t the put their energy into developing a standard system of delivery with the TV networks to ensure future income streams rather than asinine legal cases against end users, the very people they’re trying to reach.

Oh wait, it was a rhetorical question because the anti-piracy organisations represent their own interests, not the interests of the artists or producers.
[/quote]

I think they pursue pirates with great vigor for a few reasons: first, it’s much easier to recoup short-term monetary losses through a lawsuit than to pour money into R&D to develop technology with potentially long-term gains but also very many short and long term risks.

Second reason is that attacking pirates attacks the problem at its source, which is often the most direct way to stop pirating. Unfortunately, the industry needs more preventative measures to stop pirating before it starts, not while its in full swing.

Last reason is that attacking pirates through lawsuits is a scare tactic designed to reduce piracy. Some people think this works, others do not. There are just as many “studies” claiming distribution companies are losing money as there are “studies” claiming distribution companies are making money.

Next, let’s not fault anti-piracy organizations for pursuing their own interests. Everyone pursues their own interests. It’s human nature. If pirates did not pursue their own interests, there would be no piracy.

In the end, what distribution companies are going through is a huge lose-lose for them. I don’t think distribution companies are shying away from using the Internet to bring content to people; in the USA, many channels provide streaming HD content and it’s only a matter of time before they begin to offer downloadable DVDs.

The thing is that no amount of revolutionary distribution technology is going to stop piracy. Ingenious people are always going to find away to crack these softwares in order to provide this content to others for free. People who suggest that suddenly pirates would pay for content if it were available to them in a more accessible medium are way too optimistic. If given a choice between highly accessible at a cost and highly accessible for free, the overwhelming majority will choose highly accessible for free.
Hater.

Warm For Your Form your comment got into the paper in Australia.
Anonymous

Maybe people don’t feel like wasting money. People DVR movies and shows, is that gonna be illegal to? that mean you gotta go after all the electronics company’s and cable company’s too.

Stop the fucking war on the middle class dick faces. Or bob lee’s gonna get your asses. Ron Paul for 2008!!

Just my 2 cents. PÃ‰acÃ‰ Ã´uÅ¤
moo moo

Maybe people don’t feel like wasting money. People DVR movies and shows, is that gonna be illegal to? that mean you gotta go after all the electronics company’s and cable company’s too.

Stop the fucking war on the middle class dick faces. Or bob lee’s gonna get your asses. Ron Paul for 2008!!

Just my 2 cents. PÃ‰acÃ‰ Ã´uÅ¤
A

http://www.smh.com.au/news/web/fasttracking-fails-to-beat-the-pirates/2008/01/02/1198949940892.html
Ali

The people that are saying that they dont wanna go cinema but dont mind paying if they get comfort are just plain stupid. There are plenty of companies that offer renting of movies delivered next day and ordered through the net. its like $20 a month for unlimited movies (2 at a time).
Warm For Your Form

[quote comment="254356"]http://www.smh.com.au/news/web/fasttracking-fails-to-beat-the-pirates/2008/01/02/1198949940892.html[/quote]
Well I sure am glad I didn’t use my normal online nickname and get associated with torrenting episodes of Top Gear
Warm For Your Form

[quote comment="254338"][quote comment="254205"]Next, let’s not fault anti-piracy organizations for pursuing their own interests. Everyone pursues their own interests. It’s human nature. If pirates did not pursue their own interests, there would be no piracy.[/quote]
The comment about anti-piracy organisations proctecting their own interests was in reference to groups like the RIAA who keep the proceeds of their winnings in lawsuits to fund themselves and don’t give any to the artists/producers that have been ‘wronged’ by piracy.

By their very nature, RIAA and similar organisations thrive on prosecuting constantly rather than finding a solution which was being discussed. If they stop people pirating information, they stop their flow of revenue. It’s like paying the police per arrest, surely arrests will skyrocket as people get arrested for asinine crimes or even have crimes invented to increase the number of arrests.

They are funded by the industry but give nothing back. If they donated all of their winnings to charity (remember, they’re funded by their industries and don’t need proceeds of lawsuits to survive) then they could stand a chance at being a legitimate organisation, but the fact remains that they just work for profit like any other business.
kr

The entertainment industry should also learn to scrape and make use of this kind of data. You see crap like Deperate Houswives or Deal or No Deal on those lists? Hell no. The real world is not represented by Nielson families well, everyone has known this for a long time. Shows like Journeyman get cancelled while crap like Battle of the Choirs or whatever it’s called get full season orders. The data is out there, it’s real and it’s free. Come and get it, TV! Maybe at least the advertisers will someday wise up and realize that other data exists. Of course we all know bittorrent download don’t have ads, but that doesn’t mean the numbers do not translate into general interest in shows when they are broadcast with ads. If the advertisers could somehow be made to wise up, we could all have more quality TV and less reality dreck.
kr

Ah crap. I meant Grey’s Anatomy not Desperate Housewives. Oh well, sometimes I get my useless crap mixed up.
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afitz

[quote comment="253708"] I really do not mind commercials that much as long as they are not ANNOYING like what sci-fi sometimes does with commercials every few minutes. Dozens of them. Keep it to 10 minutes of commercials in 2 or 3 “sets” and I will gladly download it from you.

[/quote]

Speak for yourself. I will never pay for and download TV that contains commercials or DRM for that matter.
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Jennifer

Dont know how many of you here have seen the show or know what is happening to it but Journeymn was in my oppinion the best show of the 2007 fall season and it only got better as time went on. But the ratings are supposedly too low to keep it on the air so NBC is planning on getting rid of it. Well there is a huge fan base out there who are fighting for this show to stay on the air.

So to those of you who like a show that will put you on the edge of your seat wondering what just happened or what will happen next journeyman is the show for you. So please go to nbc.com and watch full episodes of Journeyman. Some people think that journeyman wasnt that good after the first few episodes well my suggestion would then be to watch the episode Emily and Blowback because they are great. But please watch the whole series and if you like it like i think you will the please join the fight to save this amazing show. Please help us save it!!
JoeC

Just found a great new site, wanted to share it. http://www.Torrentstorage.com The site is set up just like Demonoid, now we just need some uploaders to join and we can have Demonoid back, sort of.
Scott

[quote comment="254422"]The entertainment industry should also learn to scrape and make use of this kind of data. You see crap like Deperate Houswives or Deal or No Deal on those lists? Hell no. The real world is not represented by Nielson families well, everyone has known this for a long time. [/quote]

There is a disproportionate number of shows targeted to young adult males aged 18-35 on the list of top torrented shows because young adult males aged 18-35 are those most likely to torrent files. I mean, look at Battlestar Galactica. Certainly not one of the most popular shows on television by any stretch of the imagination.
Scott

[quote comment="254416"]
The comment about anti-piracy organisations proctecting their own interests was in reference to groups like the RIAA who keep the proceeds of their winnings in lawsuits to fund themselves and don’t give any to the artists/producers that have been ‘wronged’ by piracy.

They are funded by the industry but give nothing back. If they donated all of their winnings to charity (remember, they’re funded by their industries and don’t need proceeds of lawsuits to survive) then they could stand a chance at being a legitimate organisation, but the fact remains that they just work for profit like any other business.[/quote]

So? The RIAA has no obligation or precedent for giving money back to artists who have been wronged by copyright violation. It’s not the RIAA’s job to compensate artists; it is the RIAA’s job to represent recording companies. Recording companies can do as they like.
Warm For Your Form

[quote comment="254874"]So? The RIAA has no obligation or precedent for giving money back to artists who have been wronged by copyright violation. It’s not the RIAA’s job to compensate artists; it is the RIAA’s job to represent recording companies. Recording companies can do as they like.[/quote]
The RIAA doesn’t give any money from lawsuits to Recording Companies either.

I guess it’s like me noticing that a company is pouring toxic waste into my local beach and I sue them for damages as a local resident and then take the money I win and spend it on a vacation in the bahamas.

What does that achieve?
äºšæ£®

and how did they miss “The Bourne Loser”….

we’re in it for some rare hard-to-find materials. fuck mainstream bullocks. go chart pop shit
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KARMA

YOU ARE ALL THEIVES! WOULD YOU WALK INTO A GAP AND TAKE A SHIRT JUST BECAUSE YOU LIKED THE COLOR. THE STUDIOS ARE DEVELOPING A SUPER VIRUS THAT WILL DESTORY YOUR COMPUTERS AND INTERNET CONNECTIONS. THEN THE ISPS AND STUDIOS WILL BE ABLE TO TELL THAT YOU HAVE DOWNLOAD ILLEGALLY, AND BRING ON THE FULL STRENGHTH OF THE LAW AND MAKE YOU PAID.
oneplusone

[quote comment="254084"]I personaly dont download movie for the simple reason ITS WORSE THEN ANYTHING ELSE..
They are really looking for people who pirate movies over games and songs..

I did once download the first 10% of I am Legend just to get mediasentry’s IP into my peerguardian so I could Slap them with that IP slapping program lol
But then I quickly deleted all contents from my computer and had peerguardian and my Antivirus running.

ALSO I could see WAY AFTER I turned my Bittorrent off they were still trying to hit me through peerguardian.. Newbs…
Even if they got through peerguardian I use a number of safe ways to hide my info…[/quote]

I’m buying aluminum shares after that one…
oneplusone

[quote comment="254102"]“it’s more about availability than the fact that it’s free, as illustrated by the huge number of downloads TV-shows have”

Is that true? Didn’t Radiohead offer its album online, payable by credit card, without a record company? I’d say that’s the peak of availability, and yet 60% of its customers chose to acquire that album for free from the Radiohead website.

I’d say FREE really plays into the equation here!![/quote]

I agree… CDs have to be viewed as what they are… A multimedia flyer to an upcoming show. The record companies would have us believe the disc itself is the Holy Grail. I for one am not that gullible.
oneplusone

Why is my post awaiting moderation?

There are people on here talking DDos and guns and shit and you’re modding MY posts? What??!
oneplusone

It was…

I agree… CDs have to be viewed as what they are… A multimedia flyer to an upcoming show. The record companies would have us believe the disc itself is the Holy Grail. I for one am not that gullible.
ANON

I must say, it is all about convience. The fact that theaters are nickle and diming the public to see a film is silly. I mean c’mon, why would I want to see a film in a theater and spend anywhere from $7-12 per ticket to sit in a crowded theater where the seats are uncomfortable, the people around you either smell, talk, or all of the above…the picture isn’t digital and most of the time the audio track is too loud.

I think the theater concept is going to die within the next decade anyways. I would rather have access to a newly released film from my cable provider in the form of PPV or something of the sorts…geez, the home theater systems and tv’s are more advanced than the theaters anyways…better viewing and more relaxing IMO.
Larner

All to say is that, you cant even download the heroes series from the official website even if it has passed on tv, WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU EXPECT PEOPLE TO DO? record you HD shows and fucking upload them easy………… now give up for piracy :D

btw i do have all heroes series :D
super

[quote comment="254110"]This article has been pirated in one of India’s top sites called rediff.com. please check it out guys

http://specials.rediff.com/movies/2008/jan/02sli1.htm/quote
Interesting
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Davezilla

The money I save by not buying CDs goes towards buying more concert tickets to actually support the band. Artists make next to nothing from CDs and end up owing a shitload of money, usually, from their deals. Concerts and merchandise are pretty much the only way to help them out.

As for TV shows, I download them because I don’t want to be stuck at home from 8-10pm every night to watch some TV shows. So I download them and watch them at my leisure. If there were TV shows with commercials in them that LET ME FAST FORWARD/REWIND the show itself, even if the commercials are mandatory, then I’d watch that instead.
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[quote comment="254121"]Given that:
* they don’t release episodes til at least a season or so behind the US (e.g. everything on the list)

Hell, I download stuff. Mainly because I don’t watch TV and am not in the USA.

Difference is (with a lot of people reading this) is that I also get the DVDs when they come out. Same with songs: if you like an artist you aren’t helping ‘em by pirating their music and not giving anything back.

Also: to all you people downloading family guy without every buying a DVD: you do realise that DVD sales were the only thing that brought it back. If you want it to survive then don’t just mooch it, buy something occasionally.[/quote]
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Scott

[quote comment="255084"]
I guess it’s like me noticing that a company is pouring toxic waste into my local beach and I sue them for damages as a local resident and then take the money I win and spend it on a vacation in the bahamas.

What does that achieve?[/quote]

I don’t know, nothing? Who cares? I mean, whenever you save money on your weekly grocery bill from coupons or whatnot, do you take the extra savings and buy food for starving children in Africa? No. You probably factor it as money saved on your next computer purchase or vacation to the Bahamas.

You are assuming people are altruistic. We are in fact very greedy, which is OK.
flashmemory

The problem is they get payed too much.There is always a prospering writer/s willing to get payed tons less than the current writers. If I owned a network I would have at least 3 different shows per time spot rather than the bullshit 1 per time spot. Even filming should pay for itself per one if the other doesnt pick up. I think these writer/actors are morons to bitch about money when they get payed so much for their shows and there are literally thousands of writers who are struggling to get known. Same thing with the music industry. A famous producer or writer wants a massive payout for a song or episode when a prospering artist will settle for 1/4 or even lower payout.
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Anonymous

[quote comment="253878"]It’s kind of odd how people have no idea, but I work for a company that is employed by CBS, and we’re basically in charge of discovering marketing tactics and such, along with their own marketing team. However, our main focus is on digital means as well as doing surveys and such. Anyway, currently television studios, probably all of them, are trying to incorporate online downloading into their game plan. It is difficult to do though, since many advertisers HATE the internet as a way of advertising and they have the most say. People ignore internet ads too much. Offering shows without ads, means no money. Product placement can be incorporated except that it can make things cheesy. We’re currently working on a way to download free shows (no drm) but running a little ad before the download, than in order to download, one must answer a question from the previous commercial to show that they paid attention. People WILL do this because our servers will give 300k/sec downloads and option of 3 quality levels such as MP3player, VCD, and HD. Give us 2 years, and this will be the major way we’re doing business. In fact, there is a company that is designing a set top box which is basically a computer that uses IPTV and has a video on demand service as well as can receive cable from your service providers as well.[/quote]

I sympathize, I really do, but you don’t have two years. You have six months. And selling/leasing me yet another device to cram in my house will not entice me to consume your content. Kudos on no drm, but you have to understand that media companies are designing fractured media delivery systems. One company does one thing, one company does another. Look at TED seminars if you want to see what I IMHO consider to be the best compromise between content and ads (the BMW ones see I was paying attention because I cared so much about the content and the ads were beautiful). If you make quizware, it will fail. Sorry to be your cassandra, but it is not going to work. Anything more annoying/less user friendly than bittorrent and you will fail. Also, we want to be able to get all of our media through ONE interface, not ten different ones. I want to consume my media through miro, or other such aggregators not your program (that will probably require windows anyways, deal breaker). Take these as they are meant constructive criticism. I truly appreciate your efforts to turn the worm on the media/advertiser ecosystem, but it may be a day late and a dollar short.
Anonymous

[quote comment="254338"]
I think they pursue pirates with great vigor for a few reasons: first, it’s much easier to recoup short-term monetary losses through a lawsuit than to pour money into R&D to develop technology with potentially long-term gains but also very many short and long term risks.

Second reason is that attacking pirates attacks the problem at its source, which is often the most direct way to stop pirating. Unfortunately, the industry needs more preventative measures to stop pirating before it starts, not while its in full swing.

Last reason is that attacking pirates through lawsuits is a scare tactic designed to reduce piracy. Some people think this works, others do not. There are just as many “studies” claiming distribution companies are losing money as there are “studies” claiming distribution companies are making money.

Next, let’s not fault anti-piracy organizations for pursuing their own interests. Everyone pursues their own interests. It’s human nature. If pirates did not pursue their own interests, there would be no piracy.

In the end, what distribution companies are going through is a huge lose-lose for them. I don’t think distribution companies are shying away from using the Internet to bring content to people; in the USA, many channels provide streaming HD content and it’s only a matter of time before they begin to offer downloadable DVDs.

The thing is that no amount of revolutionary distribution technology is going to stop piracy. Ingenious people are always going to find away to crack these softwares in order to provide this content to others for free. People who suggest that suddenly pirates would pay for content if it were available to them in a more accessible medium are way too optimistic. If given a choice between highly accessible at a cost and highly accessible for free, the overwhelming majority will choose highly accessible for free.[/quote]

On the other hand, you are too pessimistic and fail to see that its your distribution systems and are at fault and that a new technology threatens to destroy your entire business model. However, just like previous eras, technological change causes paradigm shifts that are irreversible with consequences that cannot be avoided. The media business model that has endured for the past 60 years (give or take), is DEAD. Get used to the idea. Not because we are morally inferior to generations past, because we refuse to pay fairly for what we consume, but because technology has made the method by which you were paid in the past obsolete. Just as you cannot reverse a rising tide by swimming against it, so too you cannot put the bittorrent genie back in its bottle. Adapt, or someone will do it for you with unwelcome consequences for you.
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Radek

Does someone know why all the subsequent torrents for the DH disappeared after s04e10 from the net. Haven’t been able to find any torrent after the New Year – Pirate Bay, Torrentz.com… And I am hungry ;)).
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Driver

Well I only really download Top Gear online, and the reason I download it is because it isn’t available in the US, even if I had BBC.

I would gladly pay a dollar or two to be able to download it legally (as long as it’s transferable, doesn’t expire, and isn’t in some retarded format)
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KiwiTV

I agree with a lot of the others here. In New Zealand, only the first 2 seasons of Battlestar have been shown. Here we are only a few weeks from beginning Season 4 on US television – how else am I going to see it?(apart from waiting for two years for TV3 or Sky TV to pick it up!) Luckily with the power of the New Zealand dollar, it is quite cost effective to purchase the DVD sets from Amazon and have it imported – or just buy it from the DVD shops here (yes we have all 3 season box sets available in store here now). Come to think of it, how does that impact on local TV networks?
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Avinash

Wewt, Heroes no. 1.
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Allan

Most of the shows on your list are worth downloading just so you don’t have to watch the commercials, I could watch 75% of it on T.V, but why bother when I can watch the whole season in a few days if I wanted in half the time as watching live on tv. Also why isn’t Las Vegas in that list, not a bad show better that a couple on the list. Weeds is also a good show, not no.1 material but good for a laugh. Also not on the list is Pay per View I save hundreds of dollars watching UFC and boxing and any other good shows that people pay 50 bucks a pop for, so downloading online has many advantages and I hope torrent sites win there case and long live the downloading of all kinds
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i think lost should be at the top!!!!!!!!:)
rooney

I love this pirating stuff, it has been so damn convient for me, people used to say i was a viking, but thats not true at all, im a damn pirate!!!!!

ps. have a good day……..
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As has been posted, I would happily download tv shows, movies, etc. with mandatory commercials, or a proper fee, if available.

The problem is either watching at certain times (tv), with poor quality buffering (tv), in cinemas (yuck).

I do not think “pirating” or downloading for free, only needs to be advocated.

A adequate method of earning an income needs to be provided as well.

A possible advance is the ability to watch tv via the internet, but often series are not available or/and the viewing quality is poor for different reasons.
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