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VPN Providers Mull ‘Fraudster’ Database In Wake of Lulzec Fiasco

Last month it became clear that an alleged Lulzsec member who had carried out attacks on various organizations including Sony and the UK’s Serious Organised Crime Agency, had used an ‘anonymous’ VPN service supplied by HideMyAss. According to documents obtained by TorrentFreak, VPN providers worried by the bad publicity are now considering data sharing to combat ‘fraudsters’.

September 2011 will be a month that VPN provider HideMyAss will want to forget. Dozens of news outlets retold the story that an alleged Lulzsec member, allegedly partly responsible for attacks on Sony, the UK’s Serious Organised Crime Agency, AT&T, Viacom, Disney, EMI, NBC Universal, AOL and NATO, not to mention the newspapers The Sun & The Times, had used their services to remain anonymous.

But his plan failed in the biggest way imaginable. HideMyAss (HMA) keep logs and as a UK company when given a court order to cough up information, they do so. After matching timestamps to IP addresses, in the blink of an eye Luzlsec member ‘Recursion’ became 23-year-old Cody Kretsinger from Phoenix. The FBI had their man.

While the outrage from the public has been well reported – many pro-privacy activists accused HideMyAss of becoming SellMyAss – what has not yet been documented is how elements of the VPN industry have reacted to the news.

VPN Council is probably best described as a trade organization for some, but not all, VPN providers. A document obtained by TorrentFreak which was penned by their Chief Information Officer and sent on September 25th, shows they are very concerned by recent events.

“There has been a lot of controversy, especially on Twitter that the actions taken by HMA were the wrong ones to take. I disagree with their consensus and I believe its time to implement tougher security reviews on new clients signing up for any VPN service,” the memo begins.

“Earlier this year several companies in our industry had discussed ideas about a shared fraud database between VPN providers. I believe in light of this incident that a renewed call for this would be a good idea and I’d like to re-open discussions on this because if we all sit back and do nothing and continue on with normal business like nothing happened, these same folks will go around popping off more VPN companies and causing more havoc than we’ve ever seen before,” the memo continues.

“I’m in favor of strengthening our respective industry and protecting it as well. We all share the same responsibility of protecting our legitimate clients and the industry as a whole and I’d be in favor of listening to you folks and seeing what additional ideas you guys have in this endeavor.”

In the days that followed, discussions between the VPN providers went ahead and reached consensus on the foundations of an “anti-fraud database” that would be shared among them.

In a second document titled ‘PROTECTING VPN INDUSTRY: FRAUD DB’ and dated September 28th, the problem of high profile hackers such as those from Lulzsec using VPN services is framed as a “direct threat to business survival.”

The document goes on to suggest a framework for the creation of a centralized fraud database which will enable VPN providers to “assess the quality of orders” for their services.

Items suggested for inclusion in the database (along with the supplied descriptions as provided in the memo) are listed as follows:

Fraud Data (hashed): This is a hashed piece of information that can be used to flag an order as fraud. This information could be: IPs, emails, user names (any other data susceptible of indicating fraud can be added).

Fraud Type: Identifier of the fraud type. We need to agree on fraud types list.

Hits: Number of hits (submissions from different VPN providers) this data has had. This will give more latitude to providers to decide to act on a given database result.

Submitter id: Identification of the VPN provider that has submitted the record.

An API will be created to interact with the database and integrate into payment processing systems.

Action points for the future are noted as decisions on database structure, hashing to be employed, parameters on what activities should be considered fraud and a decision on which VPN providers can access the database and who can update it. It is suggested that a single VPN provider should have responsibility for the entire list and others should have to pay their share of its maintenance costs.

What is clear from the above is that the included VPN providers will begin sharing information they hold on their customers with each other (albeit in hashed form), ostensibly to combat fraud. However, the alleged activities of the Lulzsec member in question aren’t easily described as fraud, and it is far from clear how a database of this nature would have prevented, for example, Sony being hacked.

TorrentFreak contacted the VPN Council and enquired on the depth of their definition of ‘fraud’ since confusingly hacking seems to come under that banner and indeed sparked the apparent need for this database. For instance, would copyright infringement come under that heading too?

“Copyright infringement is not factored into our plans,” VPN Council CIO Jared Twler told us. “This is more about financial payment fraud and network abusers/hackers. This is more to the tune of preventing federal disasters happening on VPN provider networks.”

But of course, when copyright infringement is considered serious enough by the US government it can become a big criminal issue, recent ICE and FBI activity against sites and certain file-sharers and release groups show that.

Clearly the activities of malicious hackers cannot be condoned by the VPN providers and combating fraud is a requirement in many online businesses. But what we see here and in the Lulzsec/HideMyAss fiasco is a clash of ideals that could prove catastrophic.

Most VPN providers sell their services on the notion that by using them the subscriber becomes anonymous. It became crystal clear in September that, given the right pressure, what certain VPN providers are really interested in is upholding the law and thereby saving their own asses from ending up in court. Why this should come as a surprise to anyone is a mystery.

What does come as a surprise is how many VPN providers are allowing themselves to get into this conflict of interests in the first instance. In the HideMyAss case the company clearly held enough information for a 3rd party to match a HMA external IP address and a timestamp to a HMA user account and subsequently a real-life identity.

So, for the purposes of illustration, let’s dismiss the notion that the service was used to attack Sony. Let’s pretend it was a dissident, or a government whistleblower, or some other equally vulnerable individual relying on the service to provide anonymity, as advertised. Let’s be absolutely clear – thanks to the myriad of logs kept by HMA, when someone really needs to count on the service, there is no anonymity that a court order can’t destroy.

Many VPN companies argue that they don’t log the sites visited but some logs are necessary to make sure that ‘criminals’ can’t abuse their services. But logs don’t discriminate. Quite simply, criminal or not, if a VPN provider logs the external IP addresses they hand out to a user along with a timestamp, subscribers are not anonymous.

But while all VPN providers have a duty to uphold the law and be accountable to the government in the country where they are based, not all of them are required by law to carry logs – so they don’t. But who are they?

If you’re a VPN provider and take privacy seriously, contact us immediately to be included in tomorrow’s VPN anonymity report. We’ll ask you two very simple but crucial questions.

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4CUFGPXYI63VY7JGZWHBB2NI4Q albie

    So is HMA any good?

    • vAin4us

      Partially

    • Anonymous

      One of the reason I use HMA is because its a well known service provider in the VPN industry and several review sites recommend them. The other reason is of course their logging policy. Most VPN providers now-a-days clearly mention in their sites that they do keep logs for 14 to 21 Days and most of the providers do not even allow torrenting.

      However HMA mentions in FAQ :

      What logs do you keep? Do you monitor my activity?

      We only log the times you connect and disconnect from our service. We do not log what activity you get up to behind our VPN service, such as what websites you visit and who you talk to. For more information go to our privacy policy.”

      This … now I understand is total bulls**t .. I don’t want MAFIAA to snoop into my logs and check when and what I am watching or downloading.

      Time to look for another service provider ..But question is whom do I change to ?? Most of them really sucks in terms of server choice and speed :(

      TF team…we need your help !!!

      • Nnwkobnk

        https://www.ipredator.se/ VPN

        HideMyAss is to be avoided like the plague now!

        • Anonymous

          @ Nnwkobnk

          ipredetor has some stability issue …but what’s keeping me apart is that they don’t have a server in USA..Sweden only !!!

          @ Sketch
          the website you recommended is quite notorious for spamming and has a negative WOT rating…so will keep a distance from its service.

          Enigmax / Ernesto needs to do a follow-up to this article with some genuine consumer friendly VPN services.

        • Momo

          HideMyAss is ass. Rick Falkvinge recommended https://airvpn.org/ that accepts Bitcoin (instead of Paypal, so they don’t have your name!), and promises proper anonymity (no logs). They also have a server in the US, though it goes without saying that you shouldn’t use that unless you have to…

          I haven’t tested their service yet, as I’m still using ipredator (I find their links to TPB somewhat reassuring, as far as P2P goes at least), though I certainly plan to when my ipredator account expires.

          Tbh, I find this whole “VPN Council” idea somewhat creepy. I’d be interested in knowing which VPN providers are part of this trade group so I can avoid them if I need to.

      • Sketch

        I have said it for years, VPN is the way to go, but you gotta be careful in choosing one. I like sh3lls.net, its 8 dollars a month for a dedicated IP at 1000MBPS, and they DO allow torrenting. They are based in India i believe, and when I paid for the service using my check card the fraud department called immediatly asking if i had made a purchase in hong kong. I said yes of course and now im very happy and invisible.

        • MAFIAAFire

          We use three VPN accounts on two providers (as its a group of us and not one person), we think they are the best but hats off to TF for going the extra mile and actually showing us who is the best (tomorrow).

          I’m not going to mention which providers we use as I am curious to see if they end up on tomorrows list, if not… changing shouldn’t be a problem.

          Glad I only used HMA’s online proxy service for small stuff and never paid for a VPN account, they should be ashamed of themselves.

        • Chilly8

          Use PayPal or bitcoing instead of credit cards. I used to use one VPN provider that required a credit card, and I would get a call from the credit card company asking me whether I made the purchase or not.

      • Dxloat

        I tried Strongvpn, lots of servers great speeds but US based servers. Strong disconnected me in less than 1 month because of 1 DMCA notice with no warning or appeal proccess and no refund on the remaining 2 months left on my original 3 month purchase. I have been an Ipreadator customer for 3 years at abou 400 gigs a month and stability for me has been better than my isp (charter). You cannot expect the same speeds through a vpn service on a different continent as your local isp can provide, I mean logisticly speaking the data stream is going ALOT farther making the probability of bottlenecks much higher. Ipreadator is in fact in sweeden but then you DO NOT WANT a vpn with servers in the US duh. Ipreadator was started by the Pirate Bay boys, and claims to not keep logs. Sweeden takes privacy much more seriously than they do in the US. Sweeden requires a court order to get access to logs. Sweeden also requires the penalty for the crime being investigated to be a min. of 2 years jail in order to get said warrent. As far as I know the penalty for copywrite infringement is not 2 years incarceration anywhere unless on a comercial scale. Now that said, if you need a vpn for illegal hacking purposes, well it may not be the best choice but then I don’t know if there is a good choice for that sort of thing.

      • Qwdfqwdf

        see above

    • John Muller

      Hidemyass should change their name to sellmyass.

    • Hjobohb

      Hi,

      Thank you for contacting us. Firstly, the media is over reacting and exaggerating the fact that we cooperated with law enforcement agencies where we being a legitimate company being issued a UK court order on this lulzsec incident.

      We DID NOT sell any infos to any party. We are not paying anyone nor anyone is paying to release information. May i know were did you read about us selling off information anyway?

      We ONLY store logs of your original IP, date and time of connection. We DO NOT store any records on your internet activities as all the data transferred through the tunnel is encrypted anyway, we have no idea what are you accessing.

      You have to understand that what we did was helping law enforcement agencies in hunting down a cyber criminal which played a part in hacking the Sony Playstation Network, hacking into NATO military servers, defacing British newspaper The Sun and The times and many more activities which are deemed illegal and violate the law which governed the internet. A valid UK court order was being issued to us and that is only the right thing to do.

      For your info, he use of VPN does not allow one to perform illegal activities. And I can guarantee you that all VPN providers keep logs, if they claimed that they do not, they are seriously misleading you. These logs are for us to locate abusive users (spamming, bots, file sharing complaints etc etc) to prevent our VPN servers from going down due to these abuses. It is very naive for one to think that by paying $11/month you will get total anonymity where you can abuse the service however they like and performing illegal activities behind a VPN.

      There is nothing to ‘fight’ against this case as it is clearly a violation of laws in which we are a legitimate company and we DO NOT protect criminals. If we do, what’s the difference are we compared to these cyber criminals?

      You might want to read our blog on this entire Lulzsec fiasco: http://blog.hidemyass.com/2011/09/23/lulzsec-fiasco/

      Regards,
      Joshua
      HMA! Team

      Ticket Details

  • vAin4us

    Gonna be a VPN for a VPN then…

  • agtrier

    The real fraud here is that HMA promisses to “hide your ass”, but in fact they do the opposite. Use TOR instead.

    • A Well Informed Guest

      Tor? You are a moron sir! Needless to say there ARE ways to stay anonymous… Tor is not one of them. VPN’s in countries that are not USA friendly are an option… others I will leave you to figure out because naming them is detrimental to my cause. I am sure any savvy internet user can figure it out.

      • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

        Yes, TOR is an option. Have you yet heard of someone getting arrested for viewing something via TOR? NO!

        • http://ompldr.org/vYWN3ag/see-what-i-thought-id-do-was-id-pretend-i-was-one-of-those-slut-whores-LOL.html w3ts1ut

          Relevant to file sharing over BitTorrent: Tor is a very bad option.
          To hacking: Tor is a bad option for big jobs.
          To general http browsing: Tor is a good option.
          To communication: Tor is a good option.

          The anonymity it provides is great, solid, attacks to its anonymity are fairly well documented – but there are many reasons to use a vpn instead, or combine them through virtual isolation depending on what is needed because the illuminati are watching your every data stream and implanted cybernetic agents into your cat’s eyeballs to watch your every move so that when you take lolcat pictures it is your cat who is taking lolhuman videos so use enhanced program isolation with 16 proxies or more vps’d to grandma’s neighbors husbands cheating wife in asia with tor in a vm in a vm in a vm and wrap your cpu heatsink in tin foil.

          #ExpectCaturday

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          Black hat hackers using their skills for serious crimes with direct criminal intent (to which I don’t count Lulzsec actions, for instance) usually use hijackeded personal computers as stepping stones – providing a far safer environment (for them, at least, not so much for the stepping stone) when it comes to breaking and entering.

          For gray hat hackers like Anonymous and Lulzsec however there’s a moral and ethical difference between exploiting the vulnerabilities of a corporate-sized douche such as Sony and exploiting the vulnerabilities of a hapless citizens computer.

          That being the case a creative use of VPN’s is the norm. You might state that HMA did the proper thing in handing over the information requested by the authorities – but the problem is more along the lines that they explicitly stated they did not keep any such information and are thus lying to their clients about their stated terms of service.

          So although handing over logs to authorities as requested by a court is indeed fine, keeping those logs at all does constitute out-and-out fraud in itself which renders HMA vulnerable to a class-action suit.

          And that is why HMA deserves every slur heaped on their name. If you are an egyptian or Saudi dissident trying to promote government reform then HMA’s handing over such data to the US or any other ally of that government would mean incarceration, torture, and/or death.

    • Guest

      Use Wireless instead.

    • Noone

      WOW you need to get a clue. Never use Tor for torrents.
      https://blog.torproject.org/blog/bittorrent-over-tor-isnt-good-idea

      • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

        Yeah, TOR isn’t good for torrents in the slightest. Personally, I don’t understand why TOR websites are so SLOW. When I am downloading from an HTTP regular site via TOR, I get mean internet speeds (200Kbps).

        When I download from a TOR website, I get barely 20Kbps speeds.
        Something really messed up there.

        • Whatevs

          Absolutely nothing messed up about that, content is tunneling through and speeds can vary greatly, if you’d like to contribute to the Tor network to make it faster that would be great.

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  • http://ompldr.org/vYWN3ag/see-what-i-thought-id-do-was-id-pretend-i-was-one-of-those-slut-whores-LOL.html w3ts1ut

    HMA, that’s not what “virtual private network” means.

    Can’t wait to see the list of providers who don’t carry logs tomorrow, they’re the chaps that should be supported most.

    • None

      HMA has a public webproxy service and a VPN service (http://www.hidemynet.com/)

      Anyway, it would be nice to get a list going.

  • Anonymous

    always remember to VPN the VPN connection (if you know what i mean :D )
    also find a company that doesn’t log anything

  • Blackplan

    From HMA Pro’s FAQ:

    “What logs do you keep? Do you monitor my activity?

    We only log the times you connect and disconnect from our service. We do not log what activity you get up to behind our VPN service, such as what websites you visit and who you talk to. For more information go to our privacy policy.”

    Welp.

  • guest

    So, long story short, VPNs were secretly useless all along.

    Honestly, after reading some of the privacy policies for these VPN providers, I’m not surprised in the slightest. I think the best policy I saw was that one wouldn’t share information except for offenses where the user would receive at least 1 year of imprisonment.

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      Not totally useless….. but a lot more than they made them out to be at first.

    • ArmchairRevolutionApathyMan!

      Filesharing in the US is punishable by up to five years in a penitentiary.
      Oh, and a quarter of a million dollar fine.
      For each ‘infraction’.
      But it’s not like that in EU.
      It’s a civil crime here.
      Does it change anything?
      Pah!
      Allan Ellis was arrested for propaganda purposes.
      The BBC were in the police car, as it arrived at his fucking house…
      It’s up to us folks. Open source development is a commendable, noble route, and
      anonymity has been eaten by http protocol, legislation and spy agencies.
      Bitcoin, TOR, are a great start. What do you imagine?

    • A6312649

      They’re not useless. You just have to trust the provider.

  • Anonymous

    what is the point of signing up to a VPN service that keeps logs, then passes over the information when asked to? the whole idea of the client/customer is to be anonymous. the whole idea of the service is to provide anonymity. i can see this whole VPN business now being targeted by the ‘industries’ and new laws being passed to make being ‘anonymous’ and not keeping logs illegal as well. yet again, the ‘control of the populace’ being the main aim!

    • Jon7272

      why is lots of people suggesting hma as vpn then.. when we start getting letters for downloading movies vpns die very quickly

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      Quite true…… I doubt that they will be able to make being ‘anonymous’ illegal at all, however the VPN’s having to keep a bare minimum of logs I can see coming down the pike.

      You are right in that the SOLE aim of this is control of the populace at large…. but then again, that is the purpose of 90% of our ‘laws’.

      • Ven

        The internet is a can of worms that governments aren’t able to control. If it weren’t for the internet being so damned useful it would have been regulated into the ground years ago. I still hold that politicians made a huge mistake when they proclaimed internet access a human right before they actually knew what the hell they were dealing with.

        That said, anonymity in the digital realm is only an issue because there exist crimes that can be committed entirely within that same realm. When you can bring giant multi-national corporations to their knees without fear of being caught, there is a problem. When those actions start damaging economic stability, you can bet your backside the affected governments will declare it terrorism.

        Anarchists can love it, but here in the west (where we are still dominated by capitalism/democracy) the majority will gladly trade extreme privacy to prevent that kind of thing.

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          Most of that ‘being able to bring multi-nationals to their knees’ comes from the bastards not keeping up with their security patches, ala the Sony fiasco.

          Their servers were YEARS behind on patches to the software running on them. Some lawmakers were thinking that there should be CRIMINAL charges against the companies for that

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          “When you can bring giant multi-national corporations to their knees without fear of being caught, there is a problem. When those actions start damaging economic stability, you can bet your backside the affected governments will declare it terrorism.”

          You could make the same case about the lawsuits bringing down the shady practices of big oil companies, big tobacco or the AMA as well. Not to mention what the exposure of shaky loans did to the US economy in 2009.

          As Kidwell has it below, it’s not a terrorist action when a corporation fails to safeguard itself through the most basic of measures – or for that matter when a demonstration of a few thousand people manage to prevent a major corporation from functioning.

          What it is is embarrassing as all hell which is what causes the powers that be to go nuts – when the public finds out big multi-billion-dollar interests lack anything remotely resembling security the public trust in those interests plummet right along with the stock value.

          The political side is far simpler, really – every politician extremely opposed to internet freedom tends to be a laughing stock in the blogosphere, satirically ridiculed in every other page. And that’s why the likes of Berlusconi and Sarkoszy so avidly oppose the internet. It’s the modern variant of trying to shut down the funny pages depicting the body politic as clowns and incompetents.

    • AnonymouShadow

      You are right my friend. But the whole point is to keep your data encrypted and location proxied, on the wider internet, once the tunnel has been created.
      Wider internet, does not mean the network you are residing on in this case.
      Encrypted and proxied to all BUT the vpn provider.
      They are companies, and by their very nature they are inherently vicious entities, bound by the rules of business, and law.
      True freedom fighters wish to abolish money, not obtain it.
      It’s up to us.

      • AnonymouShadowIsAnIdiot

        Do you plan to eat dirt once you have abolished money? Live in a cave? A tree? Do you plan to enjoy the freedom of anarchy as the thug with an AK steals your valuables (well, can’t do that since they don’t belong to you anyway) and rapes your daughter? Stupid Ass.

        • AnonymouShadow

          lulz @ you fuckwit

  • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

    In addition to the VPN list who WILL NOT sell you out, we also need a list of those who shall (and then rate the latter in terms of “unsafe”, “cruel & vindictive” to “outright evil”).

    • Anonymouse

      Who are you trying to fool? These companies are not evil. They are doing the right thing by cooperating with the cops. Its people like you who are evil, scum of society who will keep abusing your right to privacy until none of us have it anymore.

      • Twice Daily
        • Ven

          I’m gonna go ahead and say this just as simply as possible: Bitcoin is a pipe dream. The idea of a decentralized currency is fantastic to be sure, but Bitcoin is not going to be the successful.

          http://www.quora.com/Bitcoin/Is-the-cryptocurrency-Bitcoin-a-good-idea

          The simple economics in that post essentially touch on a few of the main reasons that Bitcoin will fail.

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          @Ven

          Bitcoin may or may not fail…but that there will be at least one cryptocurrency which succeeds is more or less inevitable. There’s just too much to be gained in it for too many people.

          That there will be frantic opposition to the establishment of such a currency is also a given.

    • http://www.facebook.com/newton.antony Newton Antony

      people use VPN S to transmitt child porn and such , there has to be something in the middle to catch the bad guys

  • Duarg
  • Mimioclo

    This is why you need to get a VPN that’s incorporated in an unfriendly country. TF should obtain a list of these VPN providers that are in the VPN Council so we can avoid these VPNs.

  • Elviz

    The funniest part about the whole article is that the laughable kids from Lulzec actually used a public proxy.
    Those guys are a joke, this is to damn funny.

  • Elviz

    The funniest part about the whole article is that the laughable kids from Lulzec actually used a public proxy.
    Those guys are a joke, this is to damn funny.

  • WTFx7

    VPN users… YOU are F*cked!
    Good luck!

    • Guest

      wireless + vpn + tor = ?

      • http://twitter.com/1proof Andrew

        + spoofed MAC address

  • Guess

    People should stop using HideMyAss. These kind of VPN service providers are giving false sense of high security to P2P users, when it is practically non-existant!

    I’m sure HideMyAss isn’t going to be the last VPN provider to give logs and personal info to authorities or the copywrong mafia.

  • Guest

    So everyone is unhappy that a criminal who unlawfully used VPN to attack various companies like an anonymous coward is caught? HMA did the right thing and you know it but I guess you would rather that criminals aren’t ratted out by VPN companies because its many of you are probably guilty of using VPN for carrying out illegal activities as well.

    Right to privacy, when abused can be taken away. Go ahead, keep abusing that and soon none of us will have any privacy at all because we have to collectively pay the price for retards who support criminals.

    • Anonimouse

      He should sue their ass they are selling a service claiming to keep your identity private they clearly have no intention of doing this so their company is based on fraud.

      • Ven

        Not really. They claim to prevent your identity and personal information from being easily obtained by hackers and snoopers. They also mention that they comply with local, state, and federal laws. They tell you exactly what information they hold on to and how long they hold on to it.

        Nothing fraudulent about it.

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  • Guest

    The label criminal is meaningless. What is criminal is exactly what positive law states is criminal.

    It is not a moral judgment about what’s right or wrong, unless one subscribes to the ethic that all what the state does is moral.

    I don’t want to go down that road.

    Please answer, is obeying the law a good in itself?
    If there is any situation where you would find it proper and moral to disobey a criminal statute – and remember that even lying to the police may be criminal – you aren’t consistent.

    • Friend of the People

      In answer to your question, the law is not meant to be a reflection of morality, although morality is always factor in creating laws. Laws are meant to uphold order in society. The problem that becomes quickly obvious is that pure freedom and societal order do not work well together. When individuals are allowed to do whatever they please, they will short-shortsightedly work to harm each other and break down society. If people are kept in too much order, they lose the incentive and will to work for themselves and create anything. A good balance is needed, and that requires the cooperation of the citizens.

      For me personally, I accept that the social contract dictates that we obey laws we may not like, for the purpose of maintaining and promoting a stable society. I accept that if the laws seem wrong, that a legal process should be used to change them. However, the laws can be disobeyed in some situations. I think that any law that purposefully causes direct harm is one that can be disobeyed. If a law delegated lesser citizenship status to one group or allowed individuals to be jailed without trial, those laws could be disobeyed because they promoted unjust behavior and acted with the express purpose of causing harm. This isn’t to be taken too far though. For example, you may believe that the existence of copyright is harmful to the arts and to the people who want to pirate, but to me, that doesn’t justify breaking the law because the purpose isn’t to cause harm, and no groups are actually targeted with the law. In short, because people act to make themselves targets with actions that are not necessities (no one ever needs to pirate something), I don’t think it’s an instance where breaking the law is justified.

      In short, you can say that you can morally do whatever you please, but if you choose to use that argument, then you can’t use morality to defend yourself if you break a law that isn’t intent on causing harm.

      • James

        One of the best posts I have ever read on TF. Kudos to you, sir.

      • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

        “In answer to your question, the law is not meant to be a reflection of morality, although morality is always factor in creating laws. Laws are meant to uphold order in society. The problem that becomes quickly obvious is that pure freedom and societal order do not work well together. When individuals are allowed to do whatever they please, they will short-shortsightedly work to harm each other and break down society.”

        Disagree totally with this. By and large ‘da law’ is meant to be a reflection of morality, i.e. people’s personal likes and dislikes which they ‘feel’ that they have some ‘right’ to force on other people.

        The fact is that outside the assault laws, murder laws, forcible sexual offenses (even with children), and a very few other laws relating to stealing from a person?

        Most laws are just about keeping people from doing things that other people dislike that have NO detrimental effect on society except when they harass the people who do those things.

        I.E. homosexuality, heterosexuality outside of marriage, interracial sex, to name but a few things in the past.

        • Friend of the People

          No, the things you listed were simply examples of laws that fit in the category I named of laws that are targeted at other groups. Good laws are about directing society in certain directions, and yes, this does sometimes mean restricting behavior. There shouldn’t be an assumption that laws always are good.

          Let me give an example to explain this better. Here in the U.S. we have laws against speeding. Ask yourself, why do we have laws against speeding? It doesn’t directly cause harm. If I speed, it doesn’t harm anyone. No one is deprived of anything if I speed. There may be a risk of something happening, but surely that can’t justify banning the behavior.

          Another thing; why do we have laws against littering? It certainly doesn’t harm anyone or deprive anyone of property if I just dump my trash on the sidewalk. No one is harmed, so why should there be a fine? What is their right to fine me for that?

          Neither speeding nor littering are things that are viewed as morally “right or wrong”. They are simply things that don’t work will with an ordered society, and to a point, they are things that the majority would rather avoid (or at least with speeding, they’d rather avoid the correlation with higher amounts of injuries/deaths). That’s society working to a certain goal. Is there restriction of behavior involved? Yes. Is that a bad thing? No.

          People do not work best outside of order. The social contract is an acknowledgement of this. We allow that there will be restrictions on our behavior in order to promote the goals of society. Even copyright fits into this. It is meant to promote creativity and the progress of the arts by giving a monetary incentive to creators. You can argue that it has taken on aspects that don’t promote this goal, like the long times before opening to the public (I would agree with this), or you can argue that there is something better available (I haven’t seen any evidence of this being true), but you need to understand the purpose.

          I could also point out that your examples of murder, assault, and stealing could all be taken of examples of things that are unjustly banned. If a man is poor and another man is rich, shouldn’t the poor man be allowed to steal from him to balance the equation? If one man cheated me out of a lot of money, why shouldn’t I be allowed to shoot him? Shouldn’t we live by that great George Carlin principle “I believe I have the right to do as I please. However, If you don’t like what I do, I believe you have the right to kill me. Where will you find a fairer fucking deal than that?” Why don’t we live by that. Seems to me that that would be the freest solution. No restrictions at all.

          (Note; I don’t actually agree with that last paragraph, but instead wrote it to drive home a point. Hoped it worked.)

          To end, there are states where what you said about laws is true, but I think you need to do some research into the types of states before you declare all of the laws we have to be in that category. I’d recommend studying the rise of Singapore as compared to, say Malaysia or the Philippines in order to learn that distinction. I’ll explain that more if you want, bu only if you really want me to.

          Also, If you’re going to say that laws are always bad (with the exception of obvious ones like no murder), then can you point me to a successful modern society with few such laws?

          Oh yes, and I still haven’t heard a good excuse (explanation) for why the law is unjust enough to break in the situation of copyright.

  • Iconoclast

    Every country that has any decent infrastructure has a law on the books that require information retention for X amount of months. Except for one country that I know of. Sweden is the only Country that doesn’t require logging.

    You should always look for a VPN that doesn’t IP log; especially when almost everything you do these days is considered a crime by someone.

    I use VPNtunnel since they have servers in Sweden. Hence no IP logging.

    • Edjohon

      Perfect-privacy don’t log and they have servers all around the world including Sweden

      • Mimioclo

        Perfect-Privacy is really expensive.

        • Chilly8

          But you also get the biggest choice of servers for the money. I like to watch figur skating, but don’t want NBC’s crappyt tape delayed coverage that is pelted with commercials everyt 5 minutes, so I use VPNs to bypass country restrictions and watch it on channels from the likes of Canada and Russia.

          It is only expensive now becuase of the Euro to dollar rate. With the vast choice of countries there servers are in, it is really worth the money. I highly recommend then.

    • http://TorrentFreak.com Enigmax (Andy)

      VPNTunnel.se were approached by us to participate in the article tomorrow but surprisingly didn’t respond to our email, so unfortunately at this point they won’t be included.

      • Guest

        Their “non log system” is good as advertised or is it a fraud?

    • Guest

      In the USA you can have to give away your logs but you can choose what to log: which means that you don’t have to log IP addresses & that you can win in court if you don’t.

      BUT you have to find a provider that you can trust that he wont log ip addresses…

  • Anonymous

    http://www.trilightzone.org/
    http://www.securenetics.com/
    http://ivacy.com/

    used all of them for most all those genres and never had issues

    • http://TorrentFreak.com Enigmax (Andy)

      As i’ve noted above with VPNTunnel.se, I also approached Ivacy to be part of the review article tomorrow but they too failed to respond, so at this point they won’t be included either.

  • Jimmy Viking

    The data retention laws often differr in their application to different communication providers.

    In some countries, the law defines an communication provider as the service providing the end user connectivity to the internet.

    A proxy server or online forum, file hoster or other interactive service is not providing internet connectivity and should fall outside the mandate, if the law is limited to the telecommunication infrastructure.

    Data retention is only airtight when the law mandates logging by all actors in the chain.

    And even so,proving who is actually using the internet connection at a given time is often difficult.

    Even VPNTunnel is deceptive in its logging policy.

    There is no data retention law in Germany, and no mandate to retain logs, but they claim that they must law in order to comply with the law.

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  • Anon

    Abuse it and lose it. Read your history and learn something and get over yourselves before we lose it all.

    • Guest

      We can’t afford living with fear.

      • Anon

        And we can’t afford this damaged pirate entitlement mindset that privacy online must facilitate a “you can’t stop us” mentality of online unlawful behavior. Pirates hiding and infringing are ruining this for everyone.

        • Guest

          When you write “pirates” you mean file-sharers… and yes without them you couldn’t get a lot of stuff you download. (YES, I know even if you buy shit, you can’t afford to buy everything you like)

        • Guest

          When you write “pirates” you mean file-sharers… and yes without them you couldn’t get a lot of stuff you download. (YES, I know even if you buy shit, you can’t afford to buy everything you like)

    • Scary Devil Monastery

      Ah, so fascism becomes acceptable as long as civil rights become “inconvenient”?

      You do realize you are quoting Honecker, last president of the old DDR there, almost verbatim, regarding why “freedom” can not be tolerated in an orderly society?

  • Ahnon

    You need to make sure that the server is located in Sweden… if the company is located in Sweden and servers are located in U.S., then they must abide by U.S. laws. Thus, connect only to Swedish servers if you want the most privacy…
    like:
    ipredator
    vpntunnel.se

    • Rabbithead202

      Hey “Ahnon”,

      What if you live in the USA?

    • Guest

      One thing really bad about vpntunnel(dot)se is that their IP ranges are blacklisted…

  • Ahnon

    That’s fine… but I should have been more specific.. so long as BOTH a) the server you connect to is not in the USA and b) the company is in Sweden you’ll have the max privacy… For example, a VPN provider in Sweden (such as those two mentioned above) have all the benefits of Swedish privacy if you connect to a Swedish server. The same privacy would not apply however, if you connect to a Swedish server from a USA VPN provider, or to a USA server with a Swedish VPN provider. Thus, you need a Swedish VPN provider that allows you to connect to Swedish servers for the max privacy… someone correct me if I’m wrong…

  • Mr.Anon

    Interesting article. It’s a little hypocritical for VPN providers, who offer anonymity, to build a fraud DB of their users. VPN providers who are part of this scheme, ARE the fraudsters. They’re offering an anonymous service to people, and yet the customer, regardless of his actions, is not anonymous.

    So, let us all retaliate and build a list of reputable services that truly don’t log anything. But in my experience, very few keep logs. And many out there just blatantly lie to their customers just to get the money.

    My golden rule: Never subscribe to an American, French, or British VPN provider. Even if they offer offshore services. In fact, most all of those countries are required to retain data for a long time. Leaving you vulnerable for years after you pirated your favorite TV show. But if the data was truly encrypted, they wouldn’t know, would they? But yet, they do.

    I can’t wait for iPredator to release OpenVPN. I signed up for Beta a very long time ago. But it seems that project isn’t making any strides or accomplishments.

    • some guy

      “So, let us all retaliate and build a list of reputable services that truly don’t log anything.”

      You can’t.

      You don’t know what someone else is doing inside their own computer. The only way you’ll ever conclude that someone isn’t logging, is if they say so and then you blindly trust them.

      The only real solution to the problem is to assume they log everything, but if they are coerced, they don’t have an identity associated with the log entries. Of course, this pretty much rules out any chance that you’d be able to pay with anything where a credit card is involved, paypal, etc. If the VPN provider knows who their customers are, then it’s impossible for them to supply an anonymous service. Whether it’s Bitcoin or not (I have no idea), _some_ sort of anonymous payment system is needed.

      But even then, the VPN provider’s logs will show where you connected from, assuming that isn’t yet another VPN (preferably in yet another jurisdiction) in which case the attacker reaches for their second rubber hose.

  • Noxville

    One of the questions NEEDS to be if the VPN allows bitcoin, paysafecard or other ways to pay for the service privately. I used HMA for a good time and they were very good, but now I’ve stopped using them. Using TUVpn now, seems to have some kinks.

    • Mr.Anon

      Problem is that Americans find it increasingly difficult to pay anonymously. I live in one of the top 5 metropolises in the USA and I can’t find any method of anonymous payment. Paysafe cards are not available in my area. Bitcoin is just too unstable and confusing. I could use a Visa Gift Card, but you have to give an address on the credit card authorization form when you make a purchase with it. Since there is no address on the card, it’s virtually unusable. And Ukash is only available to people outside the US.

      • Elviz

        You don’t have to pay anonymously.

        • Mr.Anon

          And if you don’t, then you can be identified, thus voiding out your attempts to be anonymous. After all, being anonymous is the whole point to using a VPN for many people.

          Derp Derp

    • Anon

      prepaid credit card

      • Anon2

        you can not use most prepaid credit cards internationally.

    • Guest

      use Ukash

  • Elviz

    If you are looking for highly secure e-mail, do not look for Hushmail for christ sake.
    This is what you want – https://countermail.com/

  • Marcod13

    what about strongVPN? any good or?

    • Ahnon

      Strong VPN no good = U.S. based and are heavy loggers and will rat you out as stated in their terms of services in you do anything illegal… however, it is a very reliable and fast VPN if you want something for legitimate anonymity

      • Scary Devil Monastery

        Question is what “legitimate anonymity” means. If you are a Saudi dissident organizing protests against the Fahd regime then a US-based provider will rat you out as soon as the saudis ask the US authorities about your name and adress.

        Similarly if you are a yemenite dissident or an egyptian one your name and adress will end up with your authorities as soon as a suitable US ally asks.

        Given how much the US is currently indebted to China I wouldn’t be using a US provider as a Chinese dissident either.

        All in the name of combating “Terrorism” of course.

        Seriously, you have to wonder about a world where being able to communicate anonymously is seen as a threat to society. My thought here is that any such society where free communication cannot be considered acceptable is tantamount to one where old Sovjet-style information control is the norm.

        Such a society cannot last.

    • Trespass

      I use strongvpn, a TOR proxy through a relay, ending with NewIPnow. I’m spread out over three continents, and don’t feel anyone would peel the onion so far to get to me. I get a fast connection even with all of this with vuse, but slow using utorrent.

    • Trespass

      I use strongvpn, a TOR proxy through a relay, ending with NewIPnow. I’m spread out over three continents, and don’t feel anyone would peel the onion so far to get to me. I get a fast connection even with all of this with vuse, but slow using utorrent.

  • Mail

    Of course they keep logs, of course they will sell us out if the have their ass on the line…not surprised. Im only surprised that people still think they are anonymous with a VPN.

    There’s no such thing as anonymity on the internet unless your using someone else’s connection.

    If your downloading use a pirate friendly VPN like ipredator. All the rest is crap. (doesn’t matter how anonymous they say they make you, start reading some TOS)

  • Trueanon

    airvpn.org
    this one is worth checking out.

    • http://TorrentFreak.com Enigmax (Andy)

      AirVPN contacted us today, we’ll cover them tomorrow for sure

  • EdenC

    Would AirVPN be a good option (paying with BitCoins) for 100% anonymity?
    Thanks!

  • Mainframe Xaiver

    Prepaid credit cards are easy to use but some require activation and require you to register a name and address which you can just fake your way through. same goes for paypal just create an account under a fake name and load up your prepaid card.

    If you want peace of mind and know your safe by using a vpn that DOES NOT KEEP LOGS ON ITS PRIVATE SERVER!!! all for 10 dollars a month contact me at mainframe.xaiver@gmail.com

    • Guest

      You do know that what you’re describing here constitutes fraud, right?

      • Mainframe Xaiver

        Its only Fraud if it can be proven. As long as the service is getting paid who cars no one is being harmed. Part of being Anonymous is not giving away personal details.

  • Anonymouse

    The comments here clearly shows that TF has become a haven for criminals to come together and discuss how to stay safe while carrying out illegal activities from their closet. At this rate the right to privacy will be a thing of the past since people are abusing it so much.

    • Mainframe Xaiver

      People are not always into so called Illegal activities, its more like they are tired of being told if your not doing anything wrong you got nothing to hide or They are tired of being guilty until proven innocent.

      • Ahnon

        No, you should wrote:
        The comments here clearly shows that TF has become a haven for citizens to come together and discuss how to stay safe while carrying out activities they believe to be legal and legitimate, free from the monopolist constraints imparted on the flow of information for corporate goals and greed. At this rate the right to privacy will be upheld in the face of the aforementioned corporate abuse of the internet.

    • Trueanon

      Just like what Mainframe Xaiver said Not everyone is into illegal activities. by saying what you said makes you just as guilty by typing on here. This is a news website and if people wanted to help others legitimately regardless it’s about privacy not criminal acts. besides can you back up what criminal acts that you have proof of? I’d like to see. :P

    • Ahnon

      No, you should have written:
      The comments here clearly shows that TF has become a haven for citizens to come together and discuss how to stay safe while carrying out activities they believe to be legal and legitimate, free from the monopolist constraints imparted on the flow of information for corporate goals and greed. At this rate the right to privacy will be upheld in the face of the aforementioned corporate abuse of the internet.

    • Omfg

      WTF? Troll harder.

  • Anonymous

    I can recommend the Swedish service Anonine….I’ve done a lot of bad crap, including hacking the government, using their service and never heard anything about it. Anonine says they dont keep any logs what so ever and after using them for two years…I believe them. Swedish laws does not require internet companies to keep any logs.

    Another Swedish service which I can highly recommend is Countermail. I would say its the most secure and anonymous email service in the world right now. No logs, no IPs recorded, diskless servers, all mails stored PGP-encrypted, 100% client side encryption, total Man-In-The-Middle protection, ability to protet against keyloggers etc etc. Swedish laws are great for email providers cause a email provider cannot be forced to log anything or ordered to surveillance a specific user. All Countermail can give if ordered by prosecutor or court are PGP-encrypted mails and no IP-addresses.

    • John

      Thanks alot, ill check them both! :)

  • Dongs

    <3 overplay been using for a couple month's now no problem!

  • Dan

    What about privatvpn.se?

    • Guest

      Is it good?

      • Dan

        Yes.

        Ask the support about a gift code, that will give you 3 days for free test

        • Guest

          What about logs and payment?

  • Blum

    The fastest, easiest and some times very cheap option for full anonymity is to use pre-paid mobile internet.
    For example, in Holland you can get full speed 3G pre-paid mobile internet for just 10Euro per month. You only need one time investment to buy the data stick.
    And you can buy everything cash, including vouchers to topup. Of course, when you put the SIM card in the phone you must use a not registered to any name handset.

  • foff

    This article is is really depressing. At present I get most of my stuff from cyberlockers. After getting a couple of warnings from my isp I stopped torrenting most of the movies and TV shows. I still torrent things I can’t find on cyberlockers but I don’t worry because most of the torrents that are monitored are popular tv shows or recent movies. I thought of going the VPN route because torrenting can sometimes be easier and quicker but this article makes me wonder if the cost would be worth it. It seems it could only be a matter of time before copyright orgs will demand and get info from VPN’s. At that point from a piracy standpoint vpn’s would be useless.

    It seems the perfect anonymous method of piracy is still elusive. I still think torrent clients need to limit your exposure in swarms. Your ip should only be visible to a small part of the swarm at any given time. If all uploading was randomly intermittent by all in the swarm it would be much harder to monitor and establish a file sharing case.

    I am certain at some point cyber lockers will be killed off. Some have already killed themselves off by aggressively deleting everything and eliminating incentives to uploaders. May be at some point they will get sued out of existence or some asshole judge will decide they are mostly supporting piracy and order they be shut down and/or blocked.

    I know I am a little off the subject but all methods of piracy exist because they either offer some amount of anonymity or exploit legal loopholes like countries that don’t aggressively enforce copyright. So the real issue here is not the criminals but whether vpn’s really offer any useful anonymity and from this article it appears their usefulness is in serious question. If you can’t torrent without worry using a vpn what would you need the f’ers for unless you are a worthless porn addict that is trying to keep your habit hidden from wife and family or the public if you are a public figure.

  • Blah blah and blah

    I have to say that this may be the most important article in TF. Somebody need to make some kind of a bulletin (a quick and unavoidable access for list of names of VPNs that are in the trusted status). And have it updated daily for everyone to see. Kinda how TPB has with their coloured skulls next to the name of the most trusted uploaders.

  • Guest

    http://tormail.net/ is one of the most secure email providers IMHO

    as they don’t have your IP, well, how could they give anything to the gvt?

    :)

  • Guest

    If you really think vpn providers should go to jail in lieu of malicious clients using a vpn server to hack government websites, then that shows how many children there really are here. Why should a vpn provider go to jail for something they had no part in?

  • http://otester.myopenid.com/ PiRat

    When you do stuff like that you pick a VPN carefully, standard P2P stuff doesn’t really matter though, well not yet anyways ;)

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  • T.H.E. S.W.A.R.M.

    nice ,, good work TF

    to be considered

    http://pastehtml.com/view/1dzybe3.html

  • http://www.facebook.com/eric.boehm Jack Murdock

    Did they honestly think they were going to get away with something like this? This will be good.

    Judge : Why did you break into sony and post confidential information on your website?

    Cody : We did it for the lulz.

    Judge : ……..

  • T.H.E. S.W.A.R.M.

    HMA is full of shit

  • T.H.E. S.W.A.R.M.

    HMA is full of shit

  • foff

    Look this whole hacker thing is overblown. Every time a break in occurs the company gives some wild a$$ figure that the break in cost yet no company I know have has ever gone bankrupt or blamed a quarterly loss on a computer break in.

    The bottom line is the loss is theoretical and tied to fear not to reality. I would say 99.9% of break ins cause know more damage then a trespasser with a can of spray paint. Hell they actually give board overpaid it guys something useful to do.

    What they did is wrong but not all that criminal and they served to expose VPN’s for the stupid ass scam they mostly are.

    • PirateScum

      Even if there is zero loss, nobody has the right to hack into a company’s server or database or for that matter any individual’s computers. If someone breaks into your home but takes nothing, does it make it alright for the person to do so?

      Things like this shouldn’t be taken likely as its violation of privacy, the exact same thing which you pirates hate so much and yet when it happens to a company, you couldn’t care less. Buncha hypocrites!

    • Ven

      When a company issues a statement to over 100 million users that their CC info has been compromised, that is a real loss that hacking has inflicted (and not just on the corporation).

  • Akogwapo14

    fking shiit so vpn is useless gov easy to ask the vpn provider whats the real ip of the user fker

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6P3UZIE7H3OCL3KVET3ZFTUBHA Ruth Oliver

    Has it been a day yet? I’m anxiously awaiting the new TF Anonymity report…

  • Snus

    Great article. Looking forward to the list :)

  • PowerlessPeasant

    If you live in the EU, your data is legally retained for three years.
    However, it is illegally being retained for a further two years at the behest of the ‘powers that be’.

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  • Guest

    We can keep playing this game of cat and mouse with VPN, prepaid credit card paid cash, bitcoin, open wifi, Internet cafe, deep encryption and so on. We can continue this way since in any case a negligible amount of people will either be caught.

    However this is our society our capitalistic system and our republic that these corporate parasites are bringing down. So it is urgent to kill them all. This is like a cancer. The sooner we eradicate them the better the prognostic. All cancers cells always die eventually with extremely rare exceptions anyway. So for them it will not make any difference. But for us it will.

    Hackers cost Sony half a billion dollar already. This is far from over.

    • Twice Daily

      Actually cancer cells hold the key to immortality.
      That’s the problem. It takes an outside force to combat them.
      The corporations desperately seek immortality and to do this they need to destroy the freedom of other groups, namely the masses, us: to do so they proffer lies to ignorant judges who pass laws they don’t realise take away basic rights and liberties.

      Pirates are being used as a tool to manipulate the lawmakers into making the corporations immortal.

      But yes, you are right, when put in that perspective the corporations are most definitely a cancer on society

  • Guest

    Anonymous/Luzsec/Antisec operations constitute a cyber insurrection.

    True this is costing big criminal corporations big money. But hey! nobody die!

    Cracking down on this cyber soldiers, heros and patriots not only will be ineffective but could change that.

    If these criminal corporation of parasites want to survive they have to stop being criminal.

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