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How Long Before VPNs Become Illegal?

Across the world initiatives are appearing with an aim to increase Internet monitoring. In the U.S. file-sharers will soon be monitored and reported on behalf of the MPAA and RIAA, and in the UK there are plans to monitor and store all Internet communications. Countering this increased surveillance people are turning en masse to VPN services to ensure their privacy. This begs the question; how long before VPNs become illegal?

boxIn the coming decade there will be an avalanche of initiatives to regulate and monitor the Internet.

The freedom, privacy and relative anonymity that people experience today will only be short-lived if the copyright lobby and intelligence agencies have their way.

In the U.S. there is CISPA, a bill that would put an end to people’s privacy on the Internet by allowing companies to spy on Internet users. Despite fierce opposition from the online community, the bill was approved by the House of Representatives in April.

Another example of increased monitoring in the US is the “six-strikes” anti-piracy agreement, in which alleged ‘pirates’ will be tracked down and punished as part of an agreement ISPs signed with the MPAA and RIAA.

In the U.K. there are similar developments. Not only are there plans to monitor and warn file-sharers, a draft of the ‘Communications Data Bill’ that was posted yesterday shows that the U.K. government wants to monitor and store the Internet activity of its citizens.

A scary prospect for many, but as always there are plenty of ways to circumvent these spying efforts.

Privacy conscious Internet users could simply switch to one of the many VPN providers and bypass all of the above. Since VPN providers in the U.S. and many other countries are not required to log any user information (some do), these users can’t be easily monitored.

But for how long?

Research has shown that people are increasingly turning to these anonymity services, partly in response to new surveillance initiatives. Millions already hide behind VPNs when they go online and this number will only increase in the coming years.

Intelligence agencies and the copyright lobby are not happy with this development, and it would come as no surprise if they began lobbying for a ban on VPN usage. After all, these pesky VPN users are obstructing the law.

“If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear,” they’ll say, adding that your car also requires a readable license plate.

While a ban on VPNs might sound rigorous, it’s by no means unthinkable. In Iran, where a quarter of all Internet subscribers use VPNs, the government has already announced a crackdown on privacy-enhancing tools that bypass local law.

Luckily for privacy advocates, however, not all is lost. The architecture of the Internet is flexible so even in the event VPNs were banned there would still be alternatives to guarantee people’s privacy. But there is little doubt that there will be a huge fight over these issues in the years to come.

So for now, enjoy your privacy for as long as it lasts.

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  • trekkeriii

    Major corporations use VPN as designed. I would see Cisco and Microsoft opposing such measures since they have VPN solutions.

    • Maxxori

       Not to mention banks and whatnot use it quite extensively. No way they’ll be eager to have to change that.

      • mwhahaha

        Clealy VPNs as a functioning business tool wouldn’t be banned, just private ones. You’ll need to be licensed, registered and under inspection to use them.

        This is clearly the next step in their war against privacy, but it doesn’t bother me as much as the step which comes after it: a corporate sealed off internet.

      • austintommy

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      • VasquezNadine

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        • Sage

          Cool Story Bro!

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    • urmomma

      Blackberry users’ internet access is through a VPN by default. Would that become under attack as well?

      • netgrazer

        Yes, but Blackberries have a backdoor.

        • Guest

          And Android and iOS don’t? :P

        • Sensible Shoes

          @ac772b48d6728242138b1df18c9716e5:disqus 
          I’m sure it wasn’t a fanboyish attack on Blackberries. I think you missed the point. It was a statement to suggest that the VPNs of Blackberries are compromised by the ‘backdoor’. To be honest, every mobile phone’s encryption is open to government agencies already, they have to be by law (in the UK at least).

        • netgrazer

          No fanboyism intended, don’t have a phone myself so I’m not partial to any particular brand.

          If a phone company/manufacturer wants to sell phones in a certain country they have to play by their rules, and since corporations want to maximize profit, they have no other option but to oblige to their whims. Like Shoes says, they’re all open for scrutiny in one way or another.

      • Peasant O’ CouncilHouse

        It is already gone

    • Chilly8

      Attempts to restrict or regulate any kind of encryption will be a tough sell in Congress. Obama’s proposal, leaked in 2010, to require “backdoors” on all encryption products has never even been introduced in Congress, because they know it will be tough sell.

      • quawonk

        I’m sure after enough fearmongering about cyberterrorists and pedophiles they could get the public in favor. Not the tech savvy public, but the ignorant public which sadly outnumber us.

        • SnowFox

          The actual number of people ignorant of such issues is declining, and will begin to decline more rapidly as time passes and access to information increases.  There are some major pushes in the US to fast track and decrease the cost for access to high speed internet to areas where it was formerly unavailable or incredibly expensive.

          Only time will tell, but I doubt humanity is truly that incompetent.

        • Asdf

          lol, are you suggesting the proportion of ignorant people will decrease over time?

      • Blah

         they’ll just say they need backdoors because that’s how pedophiles put their stuff online, go for the child porn view, it always seems to win over anything else.

        no one will not vote for something that is advertised as being good to stop pedos.

        • http://laurelrusswurm.wordpress.com/ Laurel L. Russwurm

          Actually Canada recently jumped all over Vic Toewes when he tried to sell an Internet spying-on-customers package as being an anti-pedo initiative.  Keep talking about it.  Ordinary people will swallow a lot because they don’t understand the tech.  Explain nicely, and help grow the ranks of those who understand .

      • pepe

         This ridiculous Omamma proposal has another problem – not all software is created under Obama’s jurisdiction, so as much he would like to be able to, he can’t force this on every program and the market will take care of the rest

        • Mordrin

           When has that stopped the US from trying to enforce their own laws on the rest of the world?

      • Kotic

         but fbi says now http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57428067-83/fbi-we-need-wiretap-ready-web-sites-now/ FBI: We need wiretap-ready Web sites – now , they already got skype, with the “pods” use it and ur basically calling the feds yourself

        • Sensible Shoes

          If you’re in Europe and you use a mobile phone you’re already intercepted by Echelon and run through its ‘keyword’ algorithms. The Feds are nothing compared to the NSA!

      • Borderliner

        > Attempts to restrict or regulate any kind of encryption will be a tough sell.
        It’s hard when there’s no middleman (as in “let’s backdoor the devices that the enduser uses”). When there is a middleman (as in VPN provider) then it gets a whole lot easier – just tell the middleman to *not* delete the informaation it has on the connection.

    • It’s a fit-up

       Big companies or anyone with enough money to bribe our politicians will be exempt, or should I say licensed and allowed to continue using them.

    • quawonk

       Corporations would be allowed to use it. Us little people would not.

      Two sets of rules after all.

      • Guest

         It sure is a good thing that corporations are people.  People who get more rights than people who can breathe.

      • http://twitter.com/trololtron TROLOLTRON

        Let’s stop with this ridiculous Corporation stuff. Many Corporations do good things. Many do bad things. Unilaterally using your far-left rhetoric only serves to discredit you.

    • Guest

       Privacy is a right. Without VPN there is no privacy.

      • Defy

        ‘Rights’ are no more than temporary privilages that can be withdrawn at any point when those with the power to do so decide to.

        I say dismiss the notion of rights entirely, as to do otherwise is to admit yourself as being no more than the subject of others that took a position to hold dominion over your life.

        ‘Rights’ will never protect you.

        • power

          Power is only perceived by those that allow themselves to be under rule. In the end our only power is ourself

        • Jdbpogo

           you don’t own those rights, they’re only licensed to you.

      • George W. Bush: War Criminal

         You have the right to get a big mpaa dick jammed in you.

        • Guest

          You are a war criminal.

      • http://twitter.com/zaqqus Zach Dexter

        No, sadly privacy is not a right. It should be, but that would require a Constitutional amendment.

        • Ruthie

           If you are speaking of the U.S. Constitution, the 4th Amendment is supposed to limit the government’s intrusion into one’s personal life.  You have to remember that the Constitution does not “give” rights.  It is a grant to the government of what it is allowed to do–and anything not expressly given to the government is reserved to the people and/or to the states.  Privacy is a God-given right.  No where in the Constitution is that given up.  There would have to be an Amendment expressly GIVING UP  that right. Just because criminals in government do not go by the Constitution, it is another thing to say the Constitution doesn’t allow for privacy.  The Constitution isn’t to limit the people; it is to limit the government.  The amendments do not limit the people’s rights–they explain what the government is not supposed to do at all–interfere with speech, religion, peaceful assembly.  It is currently violating all three, and it is ILLEGAL.  But just as no one is holding the bankers accountable for FRAUD, so no one is holding the government officials accountable for not upholding the Constitutional limitations on government.  The Supreme Court is a gang of crooks, the Congress is, for the most part, a gang of toadies, and what can you say about the warmongering Executive Branch?  There is no law in the U.S. for the monied class–it is only for the peons.

        • GW

          @Ruthie

          But, you see, really the constitution is nothing more than a piece of paper if it’s not backed by force.  All rules are worthless without a requisite power to enforce them.  The people are the power that is supposed to enforce compliance to the rules as laid out in the constitution.  If the rules are not enforced when obviously violated, then the document itself becomes worthless.

          Privacy is a God-given right an ability.  Abilities can be taken from you.

    • DR753

      Soon or later a big war will which envolve entire world will start becouse all systems fail – communism =fail , democracy=fail , everything fail becouse rules and laws are not maked by people for people , becouse of greed and utopic ideas of retarded leaders which live in their world and dont know whats reality

      Piracy will NEVER dispear , is a thing like drugs , weapons and all prohibited things , so dream on dear troll retarded and bulshit organizations ,  corporations

      Plus , all prohibited things become more intresting ,more popular , more trendy when are labeled by laws like prohibited (and of courcse laws are maked by old retarded and stupid greedy “leaders” – result – utopic laws hated by common people , anger , revolutions

      What mean Piracy (on internet) mean pure freedom 99% , everything in reality is under control of states , goverments, maffia, etc etc but not secound reality – internet , seems they make a big mistake when subestimate power of this tool , when let this domain to grow and evolve without restrictions , now is too late , millions people get skills , informations , many experienced taste of free comunication , sharing !
      Even inernet will be shout down (i have doubts that will happen) peoples will build their own net , even new laws will restrict and punish people becouse build their own internet nobody, NOBODY can fight against millions people from over the wolrd and win , nobody can put in jail or kill these millions
      So is not that fighting against people rights an utopia and stupidity if trolls knows from start they cant win ?

      bye bye retarded greedy uncle sam , deram on and keep on ..spend your money to bribe for lobbying and other shit , make damages , take people rights ..at the end when you wake up you will realize is useless and peoples will want to take a pice of you as a souvenir ..guess what will happen then …lol

  • thedude321

    I keep remembering SOPA Cabana by Dan Bull over and over again. This is really scary. I mean, a person’s right to privacy is no longer sacred anymore.

    This is something that will really be detrimental to the development of the internet.

    What more, these media companies, while trying to seek protection for their work, will actually become very powerful and will eventually use their new found power to do things that are still unthinkable.

    We might just be headed to the Orwellian future folks. And of all the people trying to get us there, its the Hollywood nut-jobs.

    • At The Dude

       ”What more, these media companies, while trying to seek protection for
      their work, will actually become very powerful and will eventually use
      their new found power to do things that are still unthinkable.”

      **Look at the current revelations with News Corp in the UK – they’ve been doing unthinkable things for a long time! luckily it seems that they were not quite as above the law as they thought.

      “We might just be headed to the Orwellian future folks.”

      **Might just be headed? I think you’ll find we’re so far past Orwells horrific warning about the future that to be headed to an Orwellian future would actually mean a loosening of restrictions. But it’s ok ‘cos they’re doin it for teh terrorists innit.

  • warcaster

    This is why “technical solutions” are never long-term, but only short to medium term. For long term, you really need political solutions. So we need to turn this more and more into a political issue, rather than always trying to fight it just through new technical solutions. The Governments need to learn that they work for us, and that they can only make laws that we agree with.

    • http://otester.myopenid.com/ PiRat

      It’s our fault though, we the people neglected politics, this is the result.

      • Guest

        lol, that implies that it’s the people who have power over politics and not  corporate special interests that lobby Washington.

        • http://otester.myopenid.com/ PiRat

          Well America could have voted in Ron Paul, but their idiots so they didn’t.

  • http://varemenos.com/ Varemenos

    Not possible man

    • Golly

      That’s not a very positive attitude, is it now !?

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      Prisoner: Yes.

      Coordinator: Good. Out of the door, line on the left, one cross each. 

  • Flying High

    Imagine some stranger following you around all day, writing everything you say and do into a notebook. How would you feel about that? The only result I see when subject to such intense scrutiny, where every website you visit, every file you upload, and every word you type is recorded, is a populace that is scared to use the internet for any purpose. We’re heading towards a dystopian dark age I think, just like creative minds have been warning us about for decades now.

    • discusthrower

       I don’t think that we are necessarily heading for a dark ages… unless the govt takes a role similar to the one it had during the Nixon years.

  • Anonymous

    said this a long while ago. all governments will be banning VPNs and the more they are spoken about, the quicker it’s gonna happen! the fact that there will be a lot of businesses close is irrelevant. governments are bringing into force all manner of ‘snooping’ bills to prevent internet anonymity.  it has never been just about the entertainment industries and their supposed ‘losses’. i still reckon they were just the willing partners ready to take anything that actually benefited them en route. the main aim has always been to be able to track exactly what every citizen did, under all circumstances at all times. using new laws that have enabled/will further enable citizen tracking to check on what music or movie file is being downloaded is an addition to tracking whether joe bloggs, terrorist, has been in touch with john smith, other terrorist. the biggest problems of course are that every citizen becomes a criminal and there is so much data collected on so many people, by the time it’s sorted, could easily be too late. the same thing goes as far as serious crimes are concerned. it isn’t always correct that ‘more is better’. it isn’t always right to condemn other countries for ignoring human rights etc and then implementing even worse conditions in your own, supposed democratic country. makes you look a total fucking moron that no one trusts any more when dealing with you.

    • Glib

      They’ll not ban VPNs, they’ll ban SELLING VPNs.  Just like they’ve banned SELLING sex, but not sex itself.

      If a corporation has their own VPN that they use to have their satellite employees connect securely, that’s not a problem; it’s not “public”, persay.  Just like VPN tunnels from one device to another is not a problem as, essentially, it’s just a long distance Ethernet cable.  However, BUYING these services from a 3rd party will be illegal, effectively destroying the VPN business (or, at least, VPN businesses that operate within the law).  The only option would be a free ad-supported service, which doesn’t work well for high bandwidth providers.  Or, something like Tor, but there’d have to be some serious scrutiny on the uplink speed of the clients that are allowed in (essentially screwing anyone in Canada and the US from partaking).  The main hurdle would be high bandwidth countries with no care about the US.  Cuba would be a FANTASTIC place for such things, gotta drop some infrastructure there to make it work.  I think Lithuania is also a great option.

      Regardless, most of the framework is there to stop us: URL stealing, killing payment processors, culling ad revenue heavily.  Make it illegal in the US to sell VPNs, all VPN URLs are taken offline in a day (assuming the US gives them power to steal any URL, which will be soon I assume).  Run a free service based on ads or donations? steal that money with the help of Paypal or nuking the ad providers.

      The most viable solution at that point would be to have a unique Internet for dubious purposes, severely culling stupid user access (aka: at least 99% of the Internet’s users) and revenue.  A “happy” Internet, monitored and policed by the US of A, and a dubious Internet, policed by basically nobody and under continuous attack.

      • Anonymous


         all VPN URLs are taken offline in a day (assuming the US gives them power to steal any URL, which will be soon I assume).
        That would just reignite the move to alternative root servers operated within the EU and it would be spearheaded by the EU parliament and/or commission. New EU laws will be passed to compel EU ISPs to use them and not the USA ones.

    • Jadephoenix34

      Have you ever monitored cameras? I’m going to take a guess the answer is no. Well I have and one person can only see what’s going on on so many cameras at once. Really only about 3 and REALLy know what’s going on (possibly a few more if you’re REALLY good at multi tasking). If something of note happens on a given camera your mind is much more focused on that camera than the ones surrounding it.  At any rate once you get past X number of cameras any additional cameras are not going to be watched…at the very least not properties.

      How does this apply to what your comment said? Simple there are many more John Q Publics than there are Richard S Governments. It’s not feasible to track eeverything EVERYBODY says and does.

      It’s much more likely this is an excuse to set up a spy network. Then they can more easily monitor someone they find suspiscious even if their reasons don’t quite add up to probable cause. Joe drives a Caddillac on a Mazda income? No prblem let’s watch his internet activity for awhile and see if he gives us a reason.

      Big Sam doesn’t really care if your mom looks up 20 recipes for chocolate chip cookies in a week…just sayin

      • Donuts4U

        Actually it can all be monitored and stored. Then you can run data analysis on it. Want to know who doesn’t like the government? There’s a app for that. Want to know who shares music? There’s an app for that.

        With the size and scope of just the US government data centers that are public knowledge and in the news, someone “interesting” in some way could conceivably have every online thought, movement and search term available on demand. There are also some leaks that the best modern encryption is tissue paper. SSL for instance is vulnerable to man in the middle attacks especially when the man in the middle owns the cables and can generate the certs on the fly. I know my firewall allows me to do a man in the middle attack on https if I chose to.

  • Vincent Giannell

    “How Long Before VPNs Become Illegal?”I have to say, never. No matter what they try to do to make them illegal, we will allways fight against these kinds of people.

    • Anonymous

      Banning VPNs is NOT a hallmark of living in a democracy. you should be rioting in the streets, not sitting at home watching american idol if they dare go that far.

      • IDIOCRACY

         I will do neither, I will just enjoy the snow in the winter and the sun and fresh water and forrests in the summer, with my wife and kids, driving my car on ethanol made from biowaste….. euh… F**k the internet and their control. don’t need it other than for banking online, which can be done without too. hehe

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  • Guest

    Relevent to the article: http://venturebeat.com/2012/06/14/ethiopia-skype-illegal/

    Ethiopia has done it own little bit of anti-privacy censorship by making a simply VoIP (google voice chat, skype calls etc) illegal!

    I’ve lost my faith in humanity.

    • Andrew Lee

      Pfft I can’t use that site it confuses the hell out of me..  Here I’ll show you what I mean lol..

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  • Alnc2004

    1 – Why are ISPs fucking around with the MPAA, a private group of withered old bitches that dictate what we can watch on TV?

    2 – VPNs are the backbone of legitimate private Internet use including medical information, financial transactions, air traffic control and more. They are not going away anytime soon.

    • Glib

      Easy: make SELLING VPNs illegal, not actual VPNs.  They did it with sex, doesn’t seem too unreasonable to use the identical model.

      • John

        So then the only way to get VPN will be to convince some wary, suspicious person to let you enter their computer for a bit? In this arrangement you need them a lot more than they need you, so buying them dinner and flowers, treating them like royalty, and letting them win every argument will become customary.

      • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

        Glib, what you miss is that those laws against selling sex are only still on the books because no one has had the cajones to challenge them. Many legal scholars have said that if those laws were challenged on Constitutional grounds? Stricken from the books.

        Problem is that no one rich enough has been willing to make that argument and take it to the Supreme Court.

  • Mark

    Even if VPNs did get banned you could still find many in other countries to use or simply use other methods.  Tech will always be ahead of law and people will always find ways to get what they want.

    I pity the next generation of people for they will not understand what privacy is and why it should be thought for….

    • aelg

      And this is the main long term problem. Cultural lobbying.

      • Mephitidae

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    • Jon7272

       on a good note the next generations wont have the older gen left alive there will only be the tech sav gen left think of the possitives

  • Tman

    Many businesses require VPN’s for their day to day activities, theres no chance of that happening. The kind of shit fight that would cause with business is not an issue the Govt want to get involved in, its just too hot of a topic.
    Secondly it won’t go down that path because the US Govt is spending millions in developing VPN and anonymization software, which would make them guilty of high hypocracy if they developed the tool for other people in other countries facing oppression, yet disallowing use for their own people. Unless the US wants to loose allot of face, this is a path it simply isn’t going to go follow.

    • CharlestheGreat

      Most governments use VPNs all the time. For example in embassies where there is a internet with sites blocked in nations for political reasons 

      • Vincent Giannell

         They’ll probably think they made a mistake using VPNs.

  • Abc

    VPN Illegal? never.

    VPN licensed? unfortunately I can see that happening.

    • Chilly8

      Then you ignore the law and do it without a license

      • netgrazer

        A van will stop in front of your house. Soulless nobodies will come spilling out like vermin.

        Look on the bright side, we can still exchange huge PNG files depicting lots of “noise”. Who doesn’t like noise? I love noise.

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          Or use Freenet or it’s successor that supports forum sites.

  • Jimbo

     ’If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear,” they’ll say,
    adding that your car also requires a readable license plate’.

    the differences here are, you can sell your own car to someone else, without permission from the maker. you can change anything you want on the car as long as it remains legal OR isn’t used on public roads/land. if you sell it, the buyer doesn’t have to get a new key  to use it. no extra money has to go to the maker, in fact, the maker doesn’t give a toss what happens to the car once he has been given his money.  you dont have to skulk away when you use it in case someone from the car factory sees you. the list goes on. as for VPNs becoming non-existent, i doubt it. the difference will be who can actually use them legally in the future as opposed to now! ordinary citizens will be restricted, governments, corporations, companies, senior execs (including those in the entertainment industries for being so helpful to the various governments, in particular the US), the rich and famous, will be fine

    • Fluba

       Not really , if the laws pass then any information from anyone will be available for all to see, do you honestly think the government will only allow the police access to this information, it will be available to the highest bidder and when all that information is available online i can see every aspect of anyone in the public limelight becoming common knowledge. Imagine having all of the phone calls from famous people that have just died, or having all of Richard Bransons emails and telephone conversations. Or even the presidents information could become public knowledge, things like all his emails and all his phone calls being made available to the opposition before a vote is about to be passed. This is asking for trouble and those people that should be more worried about it than anyone else are the politicians and the rich and famous.
      If this passes they will be shooting themselves in the foot as i think every single hacker and cracker and teen in there moms basement will be trying to get into the database of information, just to see what dirt they can dig up on those they feel in contempt of. It will put all of the information in one place, no more having to hack into a businesses website or trying to get email passwords, just hack into the main database and you will have the power to rule the world.

      And the biggest problem is that once that database is distributed on the internet it can never be taken back, it can never be fully destroyed.

      There are many problems with this happening , but like any government they will listen to those who pay them the most to pass these laws, even if it means destroying themselves at the same time.

  • http://twitter.com/Anime4PSP Anime 4 PSP

    Come to my country. You don’t even need VPN here. And internet is faster and cheaper than in most parts of the world :P

    • Guest

      Yet you neglect to state where you are… dumbass!

    • Eskimo

      You mean intranet… in Antarctica?

  • discusthrower

    I think a potential benefit of more scrutiny of file-sharing would be that people would have to pay for what they think is quality, and promote higher quality media.

    I don’t really have any desire to patronize media outlets legally, or illegally, unless I think it is worthwhile.  I don’t mind paying for the few quality products because there is such a dearth of them.

    But, otherwise, I think the big corporate intellectual property people have the wrong idea and are being needlessly hostile.  They’ve created a market of thieves; I wouldn’t put all the blame on copyright infringers’.

    • Guest33

      Well done shill, calling file sharing theft is mafia trolling.

    • Fluba

       Sadly they are not just talking about watching what media you download, they want everything, every comment you have ever made online, every email you have ever written , every conversation you have ever had over the internet, every conversation email and text you have ever sent over any communications link.
      This is not a simple media law this is a law that will destroy anyone and everyone who has anything they do not want out in the public, from diseases you have to sexual interests, to angry comments, from pictures you have taken to every single purchase you have made.
      If this was just about the media being shared they would have attacked it in many ways, this is a takeover of the freedom of the internet.

  • CharlestheGreat

    I really can not see this happening. One many companies all over the world use them to keep their data from leaking out. Also most companies even use VPN’s even for phone calls. For example in the People Republic of China the use of VPNs are not illegal since many companies there use them for business. The problem here it would never fly since most companies use them and if a government even tried it would never pass.

  • Decimus

    I don’t think it’s practical to make VPN’s illegal.  I can totally see the trolls trying to sue the companies that own VPN’s though.  They probably already do.

  • Goest

    you betcha we shall enjoy it as long as it last… until the youth takes over and rebels against this rotten system we leave in

    • Sensible Shoes

      The youth have already been made too fat and lazy to ever pose a significant physical threat to the establishment.

  • Guest33

    VPNs are useful for a lot of purposes. However, they aren’t really built to enable anonymity. The only reason for VPNs being associated with anonymity is the nonlogging claims by many providers and the lack of legal regulation. However, in the EU we have the data retention directive.
    It’s not a stretch to extend existing data retention and real ID requirements to all proxying and VPN services. All VPN providers must keep logs and hand them over to law enforcement or civil complainants. It’s more doable than shutting down all VPN services.

    What we need are truly decentralized mesh networks, piggybacking on existing  telecommunication infrastructure as last resort.

    • Anonymous

      All VPN providers must keep logs and hand them over to law enforcement or civil complainants. That last one sounds like it’s asking for trouble. I’d hope they’d include a warrant otherwise police only kthxbye.

    • Twiddelbit

      Thanks sir! At least one comment mentioning mesh networks so far. That’s the only way to solve this issue once and for all. We need to decentralize the raw infrastructure below, otherwise there will always be a way for someone to take control. Get your asses of your chair, build community mesh networks before it’s too late!

  • Wormlore

    The funny part is seeing how even governments in our “democratic countries” can blame “dictatorships” for theirs use of such legal and technical tools (the “great firewall of China” first comes to mind), but they never hesitate to apply the same ones in our country. They always have lots of excuses, from the righteous child protection to the more debatable “Intellectual Property”, but it comes down to the same: we have increased surveillance and tracking every year.

    BTW, wasn’t “the greater good” once nominated for a Big Brother Award?

  • Onewayjan-005

    YES, VPN and similar progs will be illegal; all PCs will have a hard coded connection to the government.  Most PCs are declared illegal. To limit the illegal sharing people will be cut off the ears after 3 strikes, one eye taken out after 6 strikes and be fully blind after 9 strikes. That will teach them, those bastards

    • Guest

      And on 12 strikes we remove their ability to remember tunes in their heads, yeah that’d work..

  • Fluba

    Simple we all just stop using the internet. Yes there will be many that still don’t care if they are spied on but the majority will care when they learn that everything they have ever done on the internet every email and every comment and every purchase and sale and website you have ever visited could be used to portray you as whatever they wanted so it could be used in a court of law. I don’t think these politicians actually understand the  impact these laws will have on society. I don’t think they understand that once a system like this is allowed it will be impossible to put it back in it’s box. It could be the destruction of the internet as we know it and people refusing to use it for there own safety. And all of the positives that the internet have given society will be wiped out, just because some power hungry fools cant accept that they are insignificant to the wider population , until it comes time for payback.

    • Hugochavez

      People refusing (or scared to) use internet would be a win-win situation for Hollywood morons – they have allways dreamed about killing the internet, so they can again start selling their overpriced “best of” CDs with 1 OK song and 10 crappy shits… Hollywood wanted to kill VHS recorder some years ago, then sued producers of MP3 players, then opposed to DVDs…. the list goes on. Those dinnosaurs simply love living in the stone age and they will do anything to keep the rest of us to live there with them! Because they NEED US! 

  • Nick

     It’s also same for P2P, people know only the illegal way to use it. However, you can use Legal P2P (hamachi). Same story for VPN.

    If they make it illegal, well, why should not just make the whole Internet Illegal???

    The purpose of the Internet is to freakin share the knowledge…not to squize the users and just let the users do what the companies/governments THINKS it’s ok…

    The world begins to be strange these days…

  • Dansith2705

    WATCH CHANNEL 4 UK DISPATCHES ABOUT SPYING IS EASY THEY ALREADY KNOW THEY SELL UR INFORMATION BACK TOO U DONT BE FOOLED

  • AnnGMorrone
  • Yes

    what  Fluba said

  • Poster

    Another ”what if” story by TF.  Recently there have been several big developments in the case against Kim Dotcom, but none of them were covered by Torrent Freak.  TF used to publish ground-breaking news.  Far too often nowadays, TF publishes guessing games and fluffy editorials that don’t require research and don’t require journalistic skills.

    If you seek breaking news about Megaupload, internet privacy, etc.,  try rawstory.com (or Google). 

    • Guest

      What the fuck? There’s nothing that Rawstory has covered about the Megaupload case that Torrentfreak hasn’t covered as well. I checked.

      And nowhere can I find, on any site, “big developments” about the case that TF hasn’t reported on.

      I do believe you are a troll.

      • Poster

        You didn’t look very hard.  Headline at rawstory.com TODAY: FBI ordered to turn over MegaUpload evidence.

        This isn’t old news.  This is news TODAY.  The US must turn over hundreds of terabytes of evidence, and the US hates to do that.  (Screw the USA).

        Meanwhile at the BBC TODAY:  Ethiopian government to clamp down on Skype, Tor and other internet use.  (The internet is almost banned completely in Ethiopia)

        • Time Stamp

          FBI Ordered to Copy Kim Dotcom Evidence for Possible Return 

          http://torrentfreak.com/fbi-ordered-to-copy-kim-dotcom-120615/ 

          Published by Ernesto 11 hours BEFORE your moronic post. 

          Ethiopia … whatever … a million starving children doesn’t get reported on TF. 
          Why?  Because this blog is about TORRENTS!  (and the Freaks who like BT)

  • Stirr The Pot

    “If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear,”
    All it takes is that those fuckers get access to the real IP I haveand then they can accuse me of anything without any real proofas the judge is already bought to produce a conviction.In the above scenario what I actually did or did’nt do becomes irrelevant.Lawabiding citizens is hard to govern.The solution is ofcourse to invent so many laws that it becomes impossible to lead daily life without breaking any laws.In a democracy the laws are written with the peoples approval.Under a dictator, the laws are written by the dictator and his staff.Under a fascist regime the laws are written by and for companies.If we judge our leaders from what they do and not what they say,you can easily figure out which one of the above that rules your country.
    If the leaders stop listen to the people then the leader must go
    asap to prevent even more suffering.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Chicken8Knuckles Charles Tucholski

    I use BTGuard.. Great service..  Plus check out http://www.mipnow.com for a full list of VPN providers

  • foff

    The mafiaa can only go so far.  Some vpn’s censor torrents which is about as far as they can go.  Just like seed boxes someone will offer personal vpn’s if individuals are somehow banned from them so there is little point to ban them.

  • Guest

    VPNs won’t be made illegal, the tech industry has too much influence over government policy for that to happen, what probably will happen is what’s happening right now, other countries being forced to monitor usage, so when ACTA passes, they HAVE to cooperate with the RIAA in the USA and have prosecutions issued.

    • Chilly8

      The one problem will be VPNs whose servers are in China. Yes, you read that right, there are VPN servers in China. While you are subject to censorship in the Great Firewall, you can avoid a lot of the monitoring under laws like CISPA. But if you want to really hide what you are doing form the US or UK governments, this is the way to go.

      This alone, may push the US and UK to outlaw VPNs, becuase the chance of China joining ACTA or Trans Pacific Protocol rank right up there with pigs flying. 

      The problem is VPNs in countries not likely to cooperate with the USA, such as Russia, Ukraine, or China. There is no chance those three countries will ever join ACTA or TPP. Among countries that have VPN servers in China, I find Perfect Privacy to be the best of those that have VPN servers in China. As long as what you do does not violate Chinese law, the authorities there will not cooperate with any foreign governments.

      Even in Ethiopioa, which bans a lot of other privacy tools, there are VPN servers located there, though you will pay a much higher fee, than elsewhere. 

      • Matrix

        Switzerland shows to be a country still respecting privacy of it’s citizens and handing out users’s data TO ANYBODY is considered a serious crime in this country. Furthermore Switzerland is NOT a EU member (and will probably never become one).That’s why their VPN services are getting more and more popular outside of Switzerland too :o) As for the “great ideas” and proposals coming from the US. I am disgusted when seeing whats coming from US. I was born behind the Iron Curtain=in Eastern Europe and grew up under the Communist dictatorship. I can tell you one thing: Watching US development for past 10-15 years I am more and more convinced that you- Americans are heading towards fascism….and you are heading pretty fast. It’s very sad.

  • Chilly8

    One other thing I see being banned are programs like Evidence Eliminator and KillDisk. Even with “anticipitory obstruction” laws, these programs are getting better. KillDisk can make a hard disk as blank as the day it was made, making it impossible to every know that such programs were ever used. So don’t be surprised if a total ban on EE and KillDisk get passed.

  • JohnJohn

    I don’t want to have to pay for a VPN when I already pay for Internet, all these laws go into effect I’ll just cut my Internet to the cheapest one and slowest because why would I need fast Internet if I can’t download stuff.   

    • Glib

      And they’d have won; your ability to bend over will be quite obvious.  Enough people do this, and the 50MBit service you pay for right now that costs $100 will then cost $500 and the slowest service you can buy (512kBit) will cost $100; you’ll have saved nothing, and given away everything … excellent strategy.

  • ACTAFool

    Soon Canada will be joining the rest of the world, we’ll soon need VPN’s unfortunately.

  • Jakob

    VPNs are not only used for piracy. Many people use some kind of VPN in order to circumvent censorship or safely use untrusted internet connections such as insecure wireless hotspots. This makes it very unlikely that all VPN providers disappear. So the main question is whether it remains possible to buy a VPN account anonymously (e.g. via bitcoin or liberty reserve). If the VPN provider has your credit card number and keeps logs, it will be as easy to track down a bittorrent pirate as it is with a typical broadband connection.

    • Half Life

      Man, the world is headed to shit. I feel bad for my kids. The same god damned dopes who drives around text messaging give people shit for smoking, you know, since the TV says it is bad and all. Maybe they want to fucking die while they are on their own two feet. No soda, salt, butter. This world will be a mix of Demolition Man and 1984.

      • teenygozer

        Smoking all about being a stupid sheeple and giving your cash to a corporation of powerful sociopaths who want you to think it makes you a cool rebel if you buy & smoke useless crap, and anyone who tries to stop you is “The Man”.  Mostly only pre-teens and teens fall for this crap.  Once they grow up and wise up, they’re hooked and it’s too late to stop without great pain.  Stop giving your money to corporations of powerful sociopaths, or at least stop defending the smelly crap they sell.

        • Half Life

          I know man. Horrible habit and I did quit three years ago. However, why the fuck do we need the government to extort and fuck people who are addicted. Who the fuck are they to tell me, or anyone else, what is good for me. You think weed is cool? If you smoke it more than once a month, you’ll become another fucking dope that has mush for brains. There are people out there that want to regulate your caffeine intake too, a drug very similar to nicotine. Don’t suck other latte and play that holier than thou shit with me.

          They are now banning fat, sugar, and everything else you god damned love. you are probably too young to remember, all food in the day was fatty as shit and unhealthy. It was delicious too. Now you go to a fast food joint and eat a burger that tastes like cardboard. Everything is fucking small too.

          To sum this up, you are just another tool of propaganda bullshit that is on television. If I want to drink, smoke, or dope myself to death, it is my business and not yours. I have been in care facilities for old people. They treat those old people like shit. 20 or 30 years of your life living in a make-shift prison. Some are so bad, people have to share a television for each floor. Is that a quality life? Will it be worth it in the future for those 20 extra years?

    • Chilly8

      VPNs are also used for circumventing geoblocking. Some popular European VPNs really slow down during the Olympics, with Americans bypassing geoblocking to get better quality Olympics coverage than NBC, where you are not pelted by commercials every 3 minutes or so. I do that, and I must say that watching the Olympics on Eurovision is much more pleasureable experience, where I am not pelted with commercials every 3 minutes or so. 

      If NBC wants more viewers for the Olympics, they need to scale back the commercials a lot, and not pelt the audience with commercials every 3 minutes or so. I don’t think they will outlaw VPNs per se, but I could see Congress pass a law someday making circumvention of geoblocking illegal.The original version of ACTA, before it was modified, actually did have a clause requiring signatories to ban using proxies, Tor, VPN, and the like for the purpose of  bypassing geoblocking. It was under “anti-circumvention” provisions in the original ACTA. Some fight bypassing geoblocking by requiring a subscription to their services. Bet365, an online gambling site, started requiring a subscription to watch online streams of sports last year, becuase of this. BBC iPlayer has reportedly considered going in that direction. Don’t be surprised if Hulu starts requiring a subscription to all of its conent to fight circumvention of geoblocking.And I would suspect that TPP might also have some item about circumventing geoblocking. It would not surprise me if TPP does have some kind of “anti-circumvention” clause require countries to pass laws making circumvention of geoblocking illegal.

      I am surprised that something like that was not included in SOPA or PIPA. 

      • Anon1

        Tell me again how NBC has commercials every 3 minutes or so.

        • Rainman

          NBC has commercials every 3 minutes or so…Yeah, NBC definitely has commercials every 3 minutes or so…Yeah, 3 minutes to Wapner…Yeah, I’m a great driver, Ten minutes to Wapner. We’re Ten minutes to Wapner. We’re definitely locked in this box with no TV,
          definitely locked in this box with no TV…Yeah, NBC definitely has commercials every 3 minutes or so,,,

  • Guest

    You would be a fool to trust that device you’re in front of……

    • ACTAFool

       Does that include your spouse?    ;)

  • Rockets

    “If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear,” are bold words coming from the same dumpy fuckheads who freak out over Wikileaks, try too hard to cover up their own false flags, get caught with their pants down, and pull off the cliched “mistakes have been made” when something goes wrong.

    • ACTAFool

      Us little people don’t matter to any of them even the opposition parties who you think are trying to fight for us.

      • The guy

        There is a solution, albeit risky though.

        Have some people assassinate some corporate heads. A few presidents were assassinated, why not greedy corporate CEOs?

        It’s not the only solution, but it came off the top of my head.

        • netgrazer

          It will have the exact opposite effect. You’ll just be giving them ammunition, unless you’d take down each and every one of them, and you simply can’t.

          I’m not saying someone should assasinate people like the Dalai Lama or Alex Jones, but if you’re going to “vote from the rooftops”, that would – paradoxically – be a more effective strategy.

          Personally, I think non-violence is still the way to go. We haven’t nearly exhausted all our political and technologial options.

  • Half Life

    Hell, I could see this coming since 2008. Buy some drives, keep everything you get, and back it up.

    • JordanKratz

       I also have been backing up the things I enjoy.Also use good ole Ghost to image my OS Main Hard Drive.
      Use two externals to back your important shit up.That way you can mirror the drives and save your data.

      • Half Life

        What version ghost? I hate the new versions. Paragon runs like Ghost 9. Check it out.

        • JordanKratz

           Old School DOS Ghost !!! Still works like a charm.Believe I am running Ghost 10 or 11 and have been using that Version for so many years it seems like forever.
          If it ain’t broke it don’t need fixing.

  • a-non

    Well if filesharing does go further underground, good luck to them trying to shut down sneakernets!

    “Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes”

    Especially when TF cards smaller than your thumbnail are up to 64GB, 2.5″ drives hold up to 1.5TB and 3.5″ drives can hold up to 4TB.

  • Anon1

    If this is ever brought up in Congress it will fail as hard as SOPA and PIPA. And that’s a mighty big IF.

    • Chilly8

      That depends. If they can keep it from the people long enough to prevent opposition from being mounted against it, it might. CISPA got through the House becuase they kept it hush-hush to keep enough opposition from being mounted against it, though if Obama goes through with his threatened veto of the bill, they would not have the votes to override the veto.

      Since the people are aware of CISPA now, it might have a harder time in the Senate.

      • Chilly8

        And CISPA may be in trouble in the Senate. There are some reports that the vote has been delayed becuase they are having trouble getting enough yes votes to pass it, or at least pass it with a veto-proof majority, if Obama carries through with his threat to veto the bill.

    • Chilly8

      It came close to a vote in 1998. The Oxley/Manton bill would have banned VPNs, in their current form, unless a government “backdoor” was installed.

      Of course one person who would be a major sponsor of this kind of legisation is going to get her ass handed to her in the next election. I think that Dianne Feinstein is toast. 

    • Sarcosmos

      Because Congress is by the peasants for the peasants

  • Chilly8

    The would probably block VPNs by blocking outgoing access, other than ports 80 and 443, to every colocation center in the world. That would stop the usage of commercial VPNs, but if a foreigner came here, and still wanted to use a VPN, he/she could set up a private VPN on their home computer before they left. Every version of Windows from XP onwards has a VPN server built in

  • JohnGaspardo

    http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/all/1It's already to late. the NSA has been sucking up info like a sponge since at least 9/11 and that’s just what they tell us about. These fascist fucks are always cooking up a new recipe for tyranny so I would just assume that the cell phone I carry in my pocket has the GPS turned on all the time as well as the camera and mic and I’m probably on a no fly list because I understand that we live in a world wide fascist regime and that the farce of a democratic system is just kept alive to avoid the mass unrest that would undoubtedly follow a mass awaking of conscious thought. Alas as the Power elite consolidate and grab for more power in these the final days of our ultimate demise the one question that comes to mind is how can anyone reasonably delude themselves into thinking that they are free in any sense of the word. I look forward to the day they just send a predator drone missile through my window and end the suspense….

    • Anon

      A predator drone? Nah. Those are expensive.
      You are pretty harmless posting your bile here on TF.
      “Fascist fucks” lol
      You need a few years living under real fascism. 

      • JohnGaspardo

        don’t you understand that every “terrorist” they take out with a drone missile actually brings the threat level higher. It’s a self fulfilling prophecy. fascism is the merger of corporate and government powers and perpetual war like the war on terror is good for business and every time they don’t hit an actual terrorist they are just creating martyrs who can then breed the next generation of terrorists. they currently offer a 5000 dollar reward for terrorists in Pakistan which is the local = of about 250,000 pounds. Now explain to me which is the riskier way of making a quick $5000. Option A plant a GPS device on an actual terrorists car or option B plant a gps tracker on the car of Joe smo Pakistani coming home from school.Option B!!!!! Now what you have is a financial incentive to miss the actual target because the informant gets his 5000, big defense co gets their share of the money and they get to make a bunch more hellfire missles and the politicos get a win in the war on terror because don’t you know we just saved america but in reality it just escalates the conflict not to mention the fact that it turns into a summary execution with no oversight at all and that sir is something that fascist police states do. So I stand by my first comment and would just like to say that it is in fact you that doesn’t know wtf your talking about.

  • zenithmaster

    What is with this gloom and doom and fear-mongering. It’s never gonna happen. I’m very disappointed in you, Ernesto. The conspiracy theorists’ place is in the comments section.

    • Neville

      “This morning I had another talk with the German Chancellor, Herr Hitler,
      and here is the paper which bears his name upon it as well as mine. 
      Some of you, perhaps, have already heard what it contains but I would just like
      to read it to you: ‘ … We regard the agreement signed last night and the
      Anglo-German Naval Agreement as symbolic of the desire of our two peoples
      never to go to war with one another again.” 

      -Neville Chamberlain

  • dkbose

    Hey man is this speculation? I dont see anything  in this post except mention of how Iran is blocking VPNs. Well, the World is not Iran. And it is highly impractical to block VPNs. I guess its a slow news day in the torrent world.

    • Chilly8

      There is a way to block most VPN services. You could put BeeThink, if the network server is running Windows, and load in the lists for colocation centers which comes under “Business ISPs”

      That would stop the subscription VPN services, since they all are in colocation centers, but that would not stop a foreign visitor from setting up their own VPN server on their home machine before they left, and then using that. The professional version of every Windows release from XP onwards has a VPN server.

      If they try and ban or block VPNs, they will first have to solve the problem of foreign visitors setting up private VPNs on their home computers before coming here.

      Ethiopia is going to learn this quick in their quest to ban VPNs. They could use something like BeeThink to block access to subscrption VPN services, but there is no way they are going to be able to stop a foreign visitor from using a VPN set up on their PC back home.

      • Anonymous

        Sorbs has a residential IP blocklist for blacklisting home users from sending spam bypassing their ISP’s mailservers, maybe a combination of both could kill VPNs, but I’d assume BeeThink could block *some* genuine users.

        • Chilly8

          Beethink can do that. I have had problems on the web site for my online radio station with one very persistent problem user who just does not get the message he is not welcome. I use several BeeThink lists to block the types of proxies he uses (VPN, phpProxy), but the list does overblock some, and I do have to check the logs to make sure that people are not being blocked that should be blocked.

          Bascially, all outgoing communications too all colocation centers, except HTTP ports 80 and 443 are blocked on this list. This does block nearly every proxy, VPN, phpProxy, and Tor node in existence. Of course, he will keep trying proxy after proxy until he finds one that has not been added to any of the lists.

    • Anonymous

      If they somehow were able to block every VPN service without harming the e-commerce or other business sectors, and let’s assume TOR and other tunneling methods eg SSH are blocked. There’s nothing stopping someone from using foreign satellite service to another country, they could probably have a friend in that other country paying the bills on their behalf. it happens for Sky Television, so why not Internet?

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      Iran isn’t blocking VPN because Iran can’t block VPN. No nation can.

      That’s why it’s mentioned that one quarter of the iranian online comunity is running on a VPN and why this is a standard in China as well.

      What Iran can do is making it illegal. Something which is by and large unenforceable.

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  • Dung

    Very nice and highly provocative article ernesto! One of your best I’d say. 
    Totally agree with everything written, and am saddened by its truth.

  • 234

    buy your own server in another country and setup openvpn on it.  They can ban vpn companies but cant ban you from leasing a server

    • Chilly8

      Actually, they could never enforce a ban on VPN companies outside the United States. A few US-based companies would have to close, and foreign companies with VPN servers here would have to remove their US servers, but there is no possible way they they are going to enforce this abroad.

  • Freja

    Please Ernesto, seriously – don’t give them any ideas! You know they read this blog ! 

    • netgrazer

      “They” have been dreaming of legislation like that long before Iran has. It’s better to raise public awareness before these ridiculous ideas turn into law.

  • guest

    they don’t use “nothing to worry if you a good lad” excuse when it comes to house searches, cellphone calls & texts, letters etc. so why everybody listens to that cr@p when it comes to online activity?

    • Anonymous

      Because they’re retarded?

  • Guest, Yeah right :D

    Most of you don’t know a thing about privacy! Most of you have Facebook and Twitter, MSN, Google+ etc… Most of you engage with the world wide web with all your information. Most of you expect to be pirate, I am laughing my a$$ off. Privacy = Hiding. When you think privacy, you should think about “what you really trying to hide”? A (serous) criminal hides his identity by using fake ID, credit cards, so on. Warez leecher, hides his identity to bypass ISP restrictions by using proxies/VPN. Who are you exactly, and what you are trying to hide is a big question. Internet was started as a military project, then it was made to be economical and accessible to general public. Now it’s time to impose high security to his virtual world. The imposers are the security agencies, the entertainment industry, and many giant companies who have the big buck. The Internet is a new world, and expect it to be changing as technology evolves. USA Government is the $lut when it comes to policy making, they will beat you no matter the cost. There is nothing you can do to stop this. If they want a policy to happen it will happen. If you don’t like the world you live in just cut the Internet cable. :)

    • Anonymous

      If you don’t like the world you live in just cut the Internet cable. :)
      If only that were true, some of the creepyness is starting to infect the offline world, the UK’s vast camera system for example, America’s UAV spy drones, Google streetview was also creepy when it first came out.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      It’s the other way around. Corporations and governments have the option of cutting the cable or not. The paradigm where they achieve anything remotely resembling “control” can not exist while communication is at all possible.

      From a technical perspective that is very clear. Corporations and governments have resources. Not magic.

      And given that the effort of making the internet controllable is akin to trying to enforce what people say to one another in private, any nation attempting to implement such oversight will end up spending more resources on internal policing than the Sovjet Union did.

      Historical imperative is very clear on what happens then. You get a few decades of increasingly draconian dictatorship followed by revolution.

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  • PRIVACY is priceless to me

    And how long before freedom becomes totally illegal too?

    ANARCHY NOW!

  • FreeInternet777

    Boy, its a slow news week for sure……its like a hiatus.  Waiting for the trade committee at the EU to kill Acta.  Our attorney General here hasnt sold us out for weeks now……Mass bittorrent bottom feeders with law-degrees are getting their just deserts from the defendents and the judge (ex-lawyer) is tending to agree….wondering if one of Megaupload’s servers at $900 might be a bargain considering the hdd’s in it.  Ho hum, just a bit of a boring week news wise.  

  • Peasant O’ CouncilHouse

    VPN’s are already pointless in the Western world.
    Ask yourself why some levels of encryption are illegal in certain countries.
    Because the overseers can’t get in with the resources they have. Yet.
    All communications are logged.
    Anonymous communication over the internet is dead from the early nineties if you live in a ‘wealthy’ state.
     

    • Chilly8

      Its an irony really. Some countries will ban VPN or other encrypted proxies, but will allow others to place VPN servers in their country for people outside the country to use. Go figure

    • Anonymous

      More like dead from early noughties, when AT&T and the NSA jointly opened room 641A

  • Peasant O’ CouncilHouse

    Remember when the BBC reporters were in the police car as Alan Ellis was arrested?
    Leveson my bollocks

  • Chilly8

    Trusted Computing will eventually take care of this. In one alternate history scenario, there is a  new Eastern Bloc, led by China, and part of their network is Trusted Computing that locks out all VPN and proxy usage,

    Windows 8 will run on a TPM platform, so they might knock off VPNs that way.

    • Anonymous

      I don’t see how that would work, because the PC is in the users control, and trusted computing can be disabled, I don’t think Win8 is gonna force that on anyone for fear of lost sales, which can be huge considering most people fear TC.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      Trusted computing has been known to be a singular fail. For a case study in this I refer you to the PS3. Once the code is broken (which it will be since the hardware is in the hands of consumers) the platform becomes your servant.

      China has attempted to run trusted computing – see “Green Dam” – and it has turned out to be completely impossible to implement. Indeed, trusted computing would, to begin with, mean that the US, for instance, would trust China (or whatever other nation does the hardware manufacturing) with full hardware control over the computer environment in the US! I don’t see that happening.

      You can achieve trusted computing hadware-side only if national boundaries cease to matter.

      What they intend windows 8 to run on doesn’t change that fact.

  • townie2

    the way things are going, you will soon be able to only go to Government approved websites. China, North Korea, etc. must be pissing themselves laughing watching this as we start censoring the net like they do.

  • FreeInternet777

    rule number one of fight club
    rule number one of usenet
    vpn?

    FOR GODS SAKE IF YOU ARENT GOING TO ACTUALLY VOTE OUT THESE PRICKS, THEN SHUT UP

    Let’s tell the oligarchy everything

    It is happening people -

  • cr0ft

    Instead of just blithely accepting the status quo, with power hungry miscreants in power over the rest of us, isn’t it time to start thinking of alternative social organizations where we don’t have a ruling class lording it over the common man? One where the notion of profiting off each other didn’t exist, and where there were no longer people being assassinated by a power-hungry guy in the White House – a guy who in spite of that stands out as being better than the total scumbag who wants to replace him? 

    Democracy isn’t the best we can do as a species, but then again neither is communism since both those systems are ruled entirely by money and the people who control that. Let’s ditch the entire money basis and see what that will do for us… perhaps if we create a society that’s based on cooperation and sharing instead of combat and hoarding we’ll stand a chance of survival as a species going into the future. And coincidentally, that may still kill VPN:s… but only because nobody would need them anymore. 

    http://www.thevenusproject.com
    http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com

    • FreeInternet777

      “Every man’s happiness is his own responsibility.”
      ? Abraham Lincoln

    • N=R^{ast} cdot f_p cdot n_e

      There’s only one system proven to work in the long-term.  You can say bye bye to your nice toys and safe, comfortable, living though.

  • CJ

    Things will become very crazy once IPV6 becomes more prevalent.  Translation facilities to maintain forward/backward comparability will be easily exploitable to insure anonymity.

  • Guest

    always been my fear

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  • Guest

    think is that they might just make new law or bill that makes *vpn* services illegal to use it does not mean that web bank connection be illegal to use… it would just be illegal to use another connection redirect traffic through that so that it hides your ip behind that one.. even it becomes illegal how to hell you monitor it and prove it? block those ports? then there would be vpn that would allow you to use custom port.. and you really can’t block all ports (ofc you can but that would defeat purpose of internet) and even if you just leave port 80 (www port) open only vpn could be used via this open port.

    They could also make it illegal to anyone offer vpn services in that country… again monitoring and forcing that law would be impossible.

    Currently only way to stop internet pirace is to kill internet as whole (meaning all networks would be shutdowned) that would be step to backward in techlogy and that bad.. and many many ppl would suffer from that.

    But shutting down internet is not possible in most countires if you dont control it allready, then its too late(off course you could built it but that would be very costly) and you dont have off switch (some countries do have like china)

  • theonlyone

     ”The architecture of the Internet is flexible so even in the event VPNs
    were banned there would still be alternatives to guarantee people’s
    privacy.”

    Anyone know alternatives to VPN?

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      Yes. decentralize the encryption/anonymization by placing that task on end-user clients instead in networks generated ad hoc.

      There’s a proof of concept I like to use here – stealthnet or the RShare network. Generally speaking you start a torrent network as per usual but both queries and data transfer take place by using individual clients as intermediate proxies. Every link adds another layer of encryption, meaning that no one can determine who uploads or who asked for the upload.

      Tribler is supposed to have similar functionality by multiple proxying later on this year. Although I believe the security isn’t as iron-cast as it is with RShare.

  • Bing Crozbuy

    I use a VPN due to the fact that I use open wifi four night out of the week in a hotel.  VPNs have their legitimate purposes.  Also their are huge corporations like StrongVPN who would not be too impressed with such a decision as it would destroy their business.  However, the way I see things, more and more people are going to learn about TOR and onion sites. This in return is going to further develop the Dark Net.  I don’t think the authorities will want that.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ETIA6JH4F63IKX33ZFPCVSU4EU Arturo

    Other threat to add: The “free trade agreement” Between perú, Colombia and the EU.

    The 254 Article on this trade allows pressure from the governments or “copyright holders” over communication providers (not only internet) to spy it’s customers. The excuse? We already know, piracy.

    Paradoxically, this article is known as “No general obligation to monitor”.

    1.-A Party shall not impose a general obligation on service providers, when
    providing the services covered in articles 251, 252 and 253, to monitor the information which they transmit or store, nor a general obligation to actively seek for facts or circumstances indicating illegal activities.

    2.-The Parties may ESTABLISH OBLIGATIONS for services providers to promptly
    inform the competent public authorities of alleged illegal activities undertaken or of information provided by recipients of their service, or obligations to communicate to the competent authorities, upon request of such authorities, information enabling the identification of recipients of their services with whom they have storage agreements.

    No matter what means the first part, the second is clear: ISP, phone operators, mail services, etc. are FORCED to monitor their users.

    European people are distracted with ACTA and here in peru the press does not put a word about this backdoor that supposedly affects them.

    Links to agreement:

    http://goo.gl/F2m3w (page 205, in English)

    http://www.peruhardware.net/foros/showpost.php?p=2670128&postcount=22
    (In Spanish)

  • Thonnnn02846

    If you have a tunnel within a tunnel, the VPN provider for the 2nd (inner) tunnel can still log your activity.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      Yes…but if the secondary VPN only acts to add another onion layer there’s little they can see. The fundamental issue with onion/garlic routing is that no one actor in the chain can see enough of the picture to understand who is the origin of the communication you receive and encrypt – or to whom it is going.

      Even in a simple bare-bones network such as Tor you need to be very lucky or have extensive resources in order to perform a successful man-in-the-middle attack.

  • ScrewEwe2

    I can’t see the US making VPN’s illegal, although I could see it happening in other countries. For one thing, if enacted it would be challenged all the way to the Supreme Court based on the First Ammendment right to Free Speech the minute it is enacted.

    A single proxy through a VPN shouldn’t be the only trick used for anonymity. A chain of proxies plus an IP spoofing utility is better. Since IP spoofing will show a fake IP address and is mainly used by Spammers and Scammers there may be some minute problems trying to get where you want on all websites in one click, Of course going through more than one proxy and using IP spoofing will slow you down a bit, it all comes down to what activities you are trying to accomplish on the World Wild Web. As has been noted by others, using the latest Opera build will also add a mini-proxy to the equation.

    For µTorrent you could pick the fastest connection displayed after a good connection to a lot of peers is established and enter their IP and Port # into the proxy settings of µTorrent and route all the traffic through their machine to yours. Highly illegal of course and not a very “nice” thing to do. Would kind of suck for you if the machine you pick is the Feds or other entity trying to stop P2P.

  • FreeBSD

    So innovate, move beyond VPNs. now is the time. BYOI .

  • http://openid.anonymity.com/oyq8am hey zeus

    file sharing isnt even technically illegal yet.

  • Jonze

    Can’t see it happening business large and small use VPNs

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  • Ha

    The Solution is simple: Cut off both Cuntries (no spelling error) from the net, problem solved. Will happen, sooner or later anyway..

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  • Chilly Willy

    I think Europe may be taking the first steps towards that end. One cybercrime directive would not outlaw VPN services, but would outlaw getting around IP blocks, which is probably the biggest use of VPN services. So if you, say, use a VPN to bypass geoblocking on Netflix, you would likely be committing a crime under this new directive, by bypassing IP blocking

    Of course enforcing that may be difficult. Since it is not yet illegal to do that in the USA, getting any logs from a US-based VPN provider could be like pulling teeth, so European countries, short of a total ban on VPNs would find it all but impossible to enforce.

    • Chilly Willy

      Japan may have beaten everyone to the punch on them with this. My interpreation of part of a new law making watching copyrighted YouTube videos illegal could also make using VPNs illegal for circumventing an access control. This means if you are a Japanese, regardless of where you are in the world, and you using a VPN to bypass geoblocking, you are now committing a crime carrying 2 years jail.

  • eoswins

    VPNs aren’t a solution to government sponsored surveillance. They won’t be bothered by the encryption from your machine to the VPN, governments can simply sink their teeth into a VPN provider and get your details from them, legally or illegally. You’ll need a few VPNS bought with a medium that leaves no trace to you, a few rooted boxes, and an open wifi connection if you want any sort of solid anonymity.

    tldr, vpns don’t make you anonymous

    • Chilly Willy

      Not if the VPN provider has no presence in the USA of any kind, other than any servers here. That is why I use VPN providers that are foreign-based. The USA has no jurisdiction over VPN provides in places like Cyprus or Sweden. They would have jurisdiction over servers placed here, yes. But they would have no jurisdiction on providers in places like China, Russia, or Ukraine, three countries not bloody likely to cooperate with the USA.

      • http://twitter.com/TheIroa TheIroa

        Ukraine shut down Demonoid as a “gift” to the US government. You can cross them off the list.

  • CC

    They can block port 1723/tcp (pptp vpn) and GRE (protocol 47) but can they block port 443 without a major outcry from banks and similar that extensively use https and port 443 to protect sensitive information?

    SSL VPN uses port 443 only…

  • Saxplayer1216

    I know people who work for Chrysler, which relies on VPNs for everything off-site from printer and file sharing to blocking websites on their employee’s work computers. No way there’ll be a VPN block in the U.S.

    • Chilly8

      There could eventually be a licensing scheme for VPNs so draconian that one may have to have government permission some day just to access the office network from home, if a secure protocol, such as VPN is used.

      There was supposed to be something like that in the original ACTA, but that was ultimately dropped. I have a feeling that such restrictions are coming in the Trans Pacific Protocol (TPP) agreement.

      • Chilly8

        Such a scheme may become harder to enforce. People close enough to the border could sign up for wireless internet service from Mexico, and avoid such a ban.

        The Partido Revolucionario Insttitucional (PRI) has been returned to power in Mexico. And the PRI has never exactly been known for being friendly towards US law enforcement.

        I could see the PRI telling the Americans to rack off. That is why I think that it will make it that much harder for TPP and ACTA to come into force, becuase I think the PRI will reject both treaties.

  • Chilly8

    I wonder if corporate America won’t push for some kind of VPN restrictions. With “bring your own technology” and “bring your own device” starting to make a comeback in offices, an outside VPN will make it harder for the office to monitor what you are doing. 

    I think the BYOT/BYOD might spur some kind of legislation on VPNs, as corpoate network admins will surely start raising hell about people being able to circumvent the offfice network.

  • VPNUser1174

    They aren’t going to ban VPNs. People use them to stop hackers at public WiFi, hackers on the Internet and many legal things and so on. US is a pretty small Country compared to Russia and Russia doesn’t give a heck about Internet crime as they have real problems to worry about and not misfits on the Internet. Same with Sweden,Finland,Germany,Hungary,Cyprus,Norway,Switzerland and so on. Don’t worry about it.

  • Oyleldfb

    Fuck them, I’ll use a VPN anyway

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