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Judge Delays Teksavvy Copyright Trolls For Public Interest Intervention

As a US-based film studio continues with its plans to send cash settlement demands to alleged Canadian BitTorrent pirates, a judge has delayed the handing over of their personal details. Voltage PIctures recently targeted more than a thousand customers of the Ontario-based ISP Teksavvy as potential recipients of pay-up-or-else letters in connection to illegal file-sharing, but yesterday a court delayed the case to allow a public interest group to prepare an intervention to examine the studio’s evidence.

Movie outfit Voltage Pictures will not have the completely easy ride they hoped for after shipping their turn-piracy-into-profit business model to Canada.

The company previously launched a huge campaign in the United States targeting tens of thousands of alleged sharers of the movie The Hurt Locker, and is now targeting around 1,100 subscribers of Ontario ISP Teksavvy.

Back in December Teksavvy asked for an adjournment of the case so it could properly advise its customers they were being targeted by Voltage. That helpful request was granted by the court but the ISP has come in for criticism after it announced that it would not be contesting the actual motion for discovery.

That was left up to the Canadian Internet Policy and Public Interest Clinic (CIPPIC) which sent a letter to the court requesting a delay of the discovery hearing, arguing that there had been insufficient time for potential defendants to learn of the motion and instruct a lawyer, and insufficient time for CIPPIC to prepare an intervention.

Despite opposition from Voltage an adjournment was granted and yesterday the parties returned to court. Developments during the hearing mean that the movie studio still won’t be getting its hands on those Internet users’ identities just yet.

Federal Court judge Leonard Mandamin granted an adjournment Monday to allow the Canadian Internet Policy and Public Interest Clinic (CIPPIC) to prepare a motion to intervene in advance of the hearing to consider the motion for disclosure of the identities.

If CIPPIC is allowed to intervene the group says it will challenge Voltage’s evidence which was collected by Canadian anti-piracy outfit Canipre, a company that recently boasted that it holds monitoring data on thousands of local alleged BitTorrent users.

“It’s hearsay evidence,” says David Fewer, the director of CIPPIC. “There’s very little in that affidavit that they’ve filed in support that gives us confidence that they’ve met the legal burden.”

The complexities of the case aren’t lost on Judge Mandamin either, who has asked for clarification on technical issues in respect of the evidence.

As expected the adjournment to allow CIPPIC to prepare an intervention was opposed by Voltage, whose attorney suggested that there might be an attempt afoot to drag the case out. The company also said that the alleged infringers could still be sharing Voltage’s movies online and without their identities they could not issue them with an injunction to stop. In response Teksavvy offered to advise its customers to stop sharing copyrighted material, a gesture accepted by Voltage.

The case is proving an expensive one for Teksavvy. According to the Financial Post the ISP has already spent $190,000 dealing with the Voltage motion.

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  • Guest

    This really takes the piss. It costs everyone BUT the studios and the trolls.
    This has got to stop.

    • MrAmp

      Let me tell you. Let plug the Voltage Picture headquarter on a 10,000Volt outlet to fry all of the Cockroaches inside. Let make sure we don’t miss the chief executive cockroach and all the VP and directors!

      That’s all I have to say.

      • Whatever

        You’ll need a whole lot more than that.
        10000 volt can only go through air less than one centimeter.

        But it might destroy all of their equipment as fuses will probably self destruct far too slow to protect the devices in those conditions.

    • Guest

      The real question… who gave Canipre the right to record any information that is linked to a person. I’m sorry but I’m pretty sure it’s illegal to intercept a webcam video between two people and record it so why is it legal for them to watch, intercept, and or record what files I may or may not transfer between two or more computers? What happened to our privacy?

  • chris_p_bacon(R.O.L.L)

    no comment….yet, am still digesting this piece of news, but felt i had to post , call it compulsion, call it what you like, but i’m exactly the same when i see a magnet sign, i just hit the button, download, can’t help it

    • Guest

      you’re like the ‘first’ guy on youtube *sigh*

      • xpmule

        this guy is cool :)

        what really bugs me in Tech news stories where people have to post comments like..

        “In before the (people with opinions other than my own) + insult”
        such as
        “In before the Apple Fanboys”
        or “In before the Windows 8 haters”

        These pathetic losers contribute nothing to the topic and are simply by definition trolling themselves.. a thinly veiled insult etc with no actual comment lol

        And the same as Troll spotters.. most of the time the Troll spotters accuses someone with some snotty remark and again contributing nothing and rather than leaving things to a mod/admin or hitting the report button they feel compelled to have a jab at someone because they have an opposing view (the common definition for Troll = someone that doesn’t agree with an opinion) This is almost always comes with a demand of silence/censorship.
        AKA i don’t like your opinion so you should be silenced and banned etc..

        And the ones that bug me the most are the “Here comes the..” guys
        Once again they never post anything other than a jab or insult / snotty remark with no content to their comment.
        Example: “Here comes the Windows 8 haters”
        If these people could keep their mouth shut maybe they wouldn’t come lol

        People are entitled and don’t need to explain why either. If I think windows 8 sucks for example then so be it.. i don’t have to explain why and it doesn’t mean I’m dumb.. that works both ways and for almost any issue.

        Some of the copyright Trolls here are crafty though.. they skirt the edges of outright Trolling and adding just enough substance to their comment that they can’t be called on it.. when often their clean intention is nothing more than to agitate the community. These guys are experienced at leaving comments ..they get a lot of practice leaving FAKE comments on torrents sites for a living lol

        The moral is if you don’t like my opinion then you should be silenced banned and called stupid and made fun of.. because my opinion is better than yours.. now gimme a cookie !

        • Jon7272

          windows 8 sux

        • Carolina

          Everybody sux, except me…. :’(

        • lol

          INB4 someone actually reads all of your very “self important”, opinionated rant.
          Then tears it to shreds.

          I am dreaming….. TL;DR man & Too fucking irrelevant.
          World doesn’t revolve around you.

          You are a troll

  • Anonymous

    spending $190,00 so far is one of the burdens that come when supplying a ‘paid for’ service to customers. they expect to be protected and it’s up to the service supplier to do that, subject to terms of it’s service and the court. handing over of customers data to another company simply because it has asked for it or because it says it has proof of some sort without providing that proof would not go down too well! remember also that Voltage have been down this road before, in the US and didn’t have the success it envisioned, hence it is trying the same con trick in Canada. hopefully, the court will, basically, tell Voltage to shove it’s law suit where the sun dont shine!!

  • JordanKratz

    Fuck Voltage Pictures and anything they ever touch !!!
    Fucking Extortionist Scumbag !

  • Colin Carr

    If Voltage lose the case, it would be nice of the judge to award costs against them to help CIPPIC and Teksavvy cover their expenses.

    • Anon

      Teksavvy are pussies who talk lots but they don’t actually do shit. Canadians are such push-overs. Look at who they elected for christ sakes, he’s worst than Bush.

      • OccamsKatana

        Insult a Canuck nose to nose…. We aren’t ALL bleeding heart liberals….. Last time US tried to annex Canada, we kinda put them in their place. Burned down the White House, whistled all the way back home.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_1812
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_of_Washington

        Canada was settled before the US, We were ALL British, but the US side of the border thought they’d give their bullying a head start way back then… It didn’t work out then and it won’t work out now. And it was because of some dude named ANON way back then too. Family perhaps? ROFL!!!

        Stand up and be someone instead of hiding behind ANON.

        • Anon

          Stand up and be a tripfag attention whore Anon! Yeah I use a tripfag i am someone yay!

        • Ray

          That was the British army stationed in Canada.

        • N.I. Canadians best Canadians

          Have to disagree with the namefagging.
          One mans hiding behind ANON is another mans not publishing their info.

          We still ALL be …. just some faggot on the internet.
          Some even give you their real name, address, phone number, holiday pics etc..
          Nothing wrong with that.
          It’s only the whole world that they are sharing that info with.
          Whats the worst that could happen.

        • ReyTFox

          Are you a kilted Yaksman?

        • OccamsKatana

          @Ray, Duh… Canada didn’t become Canada until 1867, so it was a bloody British colony…… So, that was us. Just as Amurica was also British colony…. duh… But thanks for the links to back yer fakts. Who were the Canadians before Canada was Canada?

        • OccamsKatana

          @RayTFox

          Aye laddie, a full blooded kilted yaksman since 1772. Shhh, don’t tell anyone. I was there. LOL!!

      • Sorshja

        And yet its you who are trying to extort us. Get a real country, Turncoat! Unplug your computer until you have something intelligent to say.

        • Anon

          You are extorting yourselves. when Harper pushed through the Omnibus you just stayed at home on YOUR computer typing away thinking it made a difference. Your protests are pathetic no-one even shows up cept a handful of crazies.

      • http://blog.ssokolow.com ssokolow

        Even if that were true (which it isn’t), Harper keeps getting in because our elections system is broken. Last time, Harper won his majority government with roughly 30% of the popular vote because of how the ridings (electoral districts) are laid out (jerrymandered).

        Also, we don’t have a two-party system, which complicates things.

        Up until the Progressive Conservative Party (what it says on the can) and the Reform (ultra-right corporatist/religious zealot) party merged into “The Conservative Party of Canada”, they only won when the other parties got too corrupt and needed a kick in the pants. (Partly because the PC party actually had a sane approach to conservatism)

        Now, the left vote is split between the Liberals (center-left) and the NDP (further left) while the right-wing vote is unified.

        • Anon

          Yeah the left wing is split because you can’t get your shit together and agree to disagree and start making a real difference in your country. Meanwhile you have sold off all of your freshwater and shit on the Natives when they defend it because all that’s left are the uneducated ones because you killed all the intellectuals less than 100 years ago.

        • http://blog.ssokolow.com ssokolow

          If that’s how you want to interpret things, feel free. This obviously isn’t going to be a productive conversation, so I’m going to bow out now.

        • Anonymouse

          >If that’s how you want to interpret things, feel free. This obviously isn’t going to >be a productive conversation, so I’m going to bow out now.

          The Canadian attitude in a nutshell. Have fun getting sold to the Chinese.

      • xpmule

        Push over ? lol your full of shit. i also would not make that claim on any country it just illustrates racist ignorance. way too destroy any credibility you had here lol

        worst than Bush Jr. ? uhh no are you high ? wow lol

        I had a job a while ago where someone important use to get me to retrieve phone numbers and the last time i had to retrieve a number on the cell phone for my friend at home i seen the Prime Ministers phone number so maybe i will call him and let him know what you said lol
        YEAH i’m saying i have/had access to the prime ministers cell phone number and MANY other interesting people.. pays to have friends in important positions ;)

        But you go ahead and assume any kind of dumb ignorant shit all you want..
        if the boat floats then have at ‘er

        • Canadianguy

          I’m trying to find something constructive in your comment but I failed miserably. Your country has one of the worst human rights records in the world thanks to Harper. Your mining companies are ravaging the 3rd world. Just because Harper is more “well spoken” doesn’t mean his actions aren’t worse than what was done under Bush Jr.

          And so what you have the PMs phone number. Tell him he needs to wear less lip gloss he looks like boy george.

        • Anon

          >way too destroy any credibility you had here lol

          I agree with you but wtf are you talking about. Anon is a tag used by someone who doesn’t want to/care about being identified, for whatever reason. Don’t label all Anons, and i wont label all tripfags

      • salvagesalvage

        Wow, how lame-ass a troll do you have to be to try and bait Canadians?

      • POLAR KILLER YEA.

        the glimmer twins, Harpie cant touch Busheads. they the son and dad team have pleased the corporates and let Wall streat fuck the world. LEADERSHIP FER SURE. Obama inherited what u are now. weak and getting paroniod.

  • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

    A Simple point returning home past way too many hairpin turns.

    The “expensive” 190k spent so far on this case is a vital expenditure for probably the most essential responsibility of any ISP’s public charter: Protection of those inalienable Legal Rights that Customers entrust to the custody of the ISP.

    Teksavvy failed that responsibility.

    What is at stake for Customers in that Failure?

    Appellate Defense of vital Rights is a starter; but, make no mistake, continued validation of the Executive and Political decisionmaking that caused that Failure is the ultimate trauma. After all, the mindset that produced that failure is firmly institutionalized throughout the North American and European economies.

    Any amount spent by an ISP to implement the interests of Corporate counterparties not directly central to the needs of Customers is “expensive”; and, perhaps, avoidable. After all, whose needs should have priority and primacy for an ISP, if not the vital needs of Customers?

    Any amount spent defending the Privacy Rights of Customers by Teksavvy could have been reasonably passed on to Customers and justified easily as a vital expense.

    Yet, whether in the context of Six Strikes, or here, why should Teksavvy, or any ISP, expect to be able to put the expense of protecting the privileges of Corporate Copyright Holders Squarely on the backs of Customers; while, at the same Time, refusing to finance something as important to Customers as Appellate Defense of their Personally Identifying information?

    It is NOT enough that the Executives who took these decisions should be fired en mass. It is essential that they be replaced with people capable of seeing these choices in a completely different light.

    It is NOT enough that the Politicians that have abetted these choices be thrown out of office.

    What’s at stake in this simple point with way too many hairpin turns, is the continued entrenchment of the existing gospel of Bisiness as Usual; under which large, legally privileged Corporations are a segregated universe of special Interests unto themselves to the exclusion of the needs and Rights of Citizens and Customers.

    • bobmail

      Actually, Tekksavvy did all they should do – and more. Really, they should just get out of the way and let the courts deal with the lawsuits, one at a time.

      The problem is the users are getting an unwarranted extra layer of defense from the ISPs. If obscene phones calls were made from a given phone number (even a pay phone or office number) the customer information would be provided with a court order. There is no reason this should be any different.

      The defendants have any number of ways to counter the legal arguments, such as stating that they have an open wi-fi, or there are multiple users in the office, or such, and those defenses may or may not stand up. However, it is incredibly silly and obstructionist to have the ISPs acting as a shield, which has the effects of encouraging piracy by providing protection.

      Tekksavvy is smart enough to understand that they need to get out of the way and stop spending money to protect piracy. It may cost them some customers, but it’s less than going to court to fight the same battle over and over again.

      It’s another area where, in the long run, various governments will be forced to address this under the law, to more clearly define customer responsiblity regarding internet use. Giving pirates an extra way to hide their criminal activities isn’t the intention of the law or the courts.

      • Guest

        HAHAHAHAHAHA

        Lawsuits are never fought by copyright trolls one at a time. If they were they wouldn’t be submitted as groups of Does.

        You’re just mad that judges are catching onto the tactics of your heroes Evan Stone and Andrew Crossley. How’d the fishing expeditions turn out for them, eh?

      • Anon

        OMG ur so SMRT u shud write essays for TIMES MAGAZINE and help me make so much monies lets sue single moms and trailer trash together plz maybee we have buttseks too it sounds like u like buttseks and making porr people poorer i cum to this idea errynight like u do! i luv you so much u GENIUS!

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        “Really, they should just get out of the way and let the courts deal with the lawsuits, one at a time.”

        You mean like the guys running the Metro should just allow private interests to frisk their passengers at will?

        Or did you mean like the post office should allow similar private interests to open the mail of their customers at will?

        Or like the phone company should allow private interests access to their customers caller logs without the direct intervention of a judge?

        As usual, bobmail, your view of reality is frightening. Do you take lessons from “Anon” in your off time?

        “Tekksavvy is smart enough to understand that they need to get out of the way…”

        No, seriously. Does your bank hand over your account details to a third party because the third party “claims” you’ve done wrong? Does your shrink?

        In this case the phone company apparently does and that is a very bad thing.

        That said, the only thing this does is underscore, to any who hear of the case, yet another way in which the utter unreasonability of copyright impacts and endangers every paying customer of a telco.

      • Guest

        Actually, the law and the courts don’t give a shit.
        It’s the corporations, continually begging like the incapable businesses they are, which are the problem. If it wasn’t for the fact they had so much money, possibly from tax manipulation (I can’t EVER remember having heard of them having an audit; nor am I likely to), they would have died a death years ago.

        BS and lies and money. Three things which make a mockery of everyone.

      • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

        Bob. Precisely stated, your argument is that Teksavvy should have no affirmative obligation to protect Appellate level rights attaching to Customer Information potentially compromised by the Civil demands of unaffiliated third parties.

        If this is a fair and precise “Queen’s English” restatement of your position, what is the problem?

        Your problem.

        In respect to the Legal Rights on which Teksavvy abdicated, the Courts are not deviating from the principle that the full burden of establishing a direct link between a specific alleged criminal act and a specific person (NOT A THING, a PERSON) prior to the release of private personally identifying information is the requisite prior burden wholly with the accuser.

        This is NOT an accident: That distinction is the core discrimination by which the Courts protect Innocents from false and arbitrary accusations. You place that prior burden second to what inquiry a lower court of first instance trying disputed “facts” might make at trial (or more likely, prior to trial, where a powerful Corporate adversary can pick venue and cull weak from strong adversaries); but, that requirement stands in line ahead. Accusers must meet that burden first!!

        That you reject this reasoning is as fair as it is predictable; but, that Teksavvy abandoned those Appellete values, inherent to the Rights of ALL Canadian Citizens is unforgivable.

        Every last one of the executives implicated in the decision should be summarily fired.

        Every last Politician in Canada, in America, and in Europe that supports this disgrace should be voted out of office.

        • Anon

          blah blah. more hot air.

      • salvagesalvage

        >Giving pirates an extra way to hide their criminal activities isn’t the intention of the law or the courts.

        Yeah, pirates and criminals are arrested by cops, you see any cops coming after any Teksavvy users?

        Are you being paid to be wrong or is this a choice?

    • Anon

      Yes, it’s just a terrible thing when rightsholders do what they can within the law to protect their business interests from digital infringement. You are so, so smart, TUTD. You should be advising Congress. heh.

      • Guest

        Yes, just like Evan Stone and Andrew Crossley. Totally and completely within the law, and worked out great for them.

      • Anon

        YES! Lets sues all the porr people who want too watch the moovies too they shud have no life they are stupid for not having monies like us fuck them my daddy earned my rite to watch all the moovies their daddies arent smrt like my daddy was! u want buttseks it sounds like u want buttseks too i love buttseks with other smrt peeples like me!

        • MadAsASnake

          Find some evidence then.

        • Jewlover

          This is awesome. MadAsSnake obviously doesn’t get irony

      • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

        I’m trying! I’m trying!

        We’re all trying to advise Congress.

        Like you, Congress keeps telling us that we’re not smart enough to advise Congress.

        That tells us that we need to do our day job and replace Congress.

        • Anon

          That hasn’t been my experience, TUTD. I tried to meet my Congressman a long time ago but his office wouldn’t give me an appointment. So I put together a pdf report–this was years ago–of the various facts and points of view on digital piracy, including my own, and emailed that 28 page report complete with sources, footnotes, charts and “quotations” to every person in his office, then followed up with a telephone campaign to every person in that office, day in day out for weeks, until I finally got a Senior Policy Advisor for Economic Development on the phone.

          She saw my report and was favorably impressed and we talked about a lot. That led to a first meeting with her and that led to a meeting about three weeks later with the Congressman himself. Nobody paid me for any of this. Since that time we’ve interacted fairly regularly, and it has become the basis on which I serve on panels, make presentations, advise the industries from time to time. Now much of that work does pay. But it takes a lot of effort to establish yourself as a paid consultant, in any industry. You have to do the work upfront and you have to remain current. TF is a good source for insight into the prevailing pirate mentality.

          But you are one of the few here who actually seems to care about more than just hiding and stealing free shit. But you are also an exception. There are 10′s of thousands, maybe 100′s of thousands of me. Huge digital industries all over the world with big r&d costs that lead to merchandise to sell. Those industries have something to lose, the age old business model of paying or not “getting.” Government has even more at stake, the industrial complex itself, the jobs and new technologies they create, the taxes sales generate.

          The weakness for piracy is the majority of pirates just see this as grabbing something for free for as long as they can make it last, and pirates don’t give a rats ass who they harm, who they hack, who they frame, and they especially don’t appear to care about the motivations they create by their own unlawful actions that have compelled legislators all over the planet to finally pay attention. But you hear a lot more talk here on TF about hiding online and how to do it than you do about actually organizing with good leadership and clearly defined agendas and stepping forward. There’s a difference.

          And it makes a big difference. And Falkvinge is fucking killing you, and that’s just fine with me.

        • Guest

          So wait. You’ve been saying that pirates have been hiding and breaking less law over the last five to ten years… and your response is to demand MORE laws that don’t give two shits about who they sue, which you complain about?

          This makes as much sense as a Buddhist monk demanding to be served with steak at a vegetarian restaurant…

        • Guest

          @Anon

          What a pity all that work you put in wasn’t balanced.
          Basically, what you created was a balance sheet with no balance, because that is all corporate mentality is capable of. There is no incentive or initiative to look beyond what is current and envisage the future, a place where everything is owned by some corporate monster.

          And I do mean EVERYTHING. We already live in a world where everything we own, wear, eat or sleep on is copyright to some shadow business somewhere. Even most peoples homes, land and birthright are theirs until some twat comes along and compulsorily purchases it from under them.

          From the shoes on our feet, socks, clothes, watches, phones, cigarette packet; to the money in our pockets, everything is corporated, patented, trademarked and beyond sharing, ever.

          Soon there will be nothing for free. Nothing on Earth. Livestock, seeds, foodstuffs, educational resources, weaving patterns, colors, even Space and things in it, already/will ‘belong’ to some faceless, heartless, untouchable entity.

          The masses have always had little. Soon they will have less, and be entitled to nothing.

        • Guest

          @Anon:

          The difference is that your report and your consulting work are most likely very one-sidedly in favor of copyright maximalism.

          Compare that to a Republican staffer who wrote a reviewed and published report making a case for copyright reform. The RIAA/MPAA went apoplectic, and media industry backed representatives such as Marsha Blackburn put pressure on the party to have the report retracted in less than 24 hours, while the staffer that wrote the report was fired entirely because of the report.

          Now tell me with a straight face that a government owned lock, stock, and barrel by the RIAA/MPAA would give any serious consideration to arguments against copyright maximalism, no matter how well founded? Why would the same governments that did everything possible to keep the people locked out of debates about SOPA, PIPA, ACTA, and the TPP allow the people to have a say now?

        • SoundnuoS

          @Guest

          Really, this thing about the government being owned by the RIAA / MPAA is getting a little old.

          http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/permalink/2012/121225lobbying

        • commenter8

          Falkvinge isn’t killing us, Anon. He’s a brilliant innovator who is leading us (willingly) and you (unwillingly) to a better future, whether you believe it or not.

        • Guest
        • SoundnuoS

          @Guest

          Mmyeah, shall we just keep throwing links at each other?

          http://news.techeye.net/business/googles-connections-to-the-federal-government-listed

      • Guest

        I’m sure if TUTD had enough money to fill a lobbyists ear (and there’s a lot of space to fill behind one of those) he would be there; doing what’s right for everybody not just for your masters.

        • Anon

          Guest, you make an important point.
          About half the world is online now, about 3 billion people. The organizations who monitor, the Big Champagne’s, the Sandvines, they are all in rough agreement that about 10% still pirates. That’s way, way down in the past 5 years, but that’s still 300 million people.

          If you really cared, honestly cared as we do, you would have organized a long time ago, opened a central account and asked every pirate if you could hold, just HOLD ONE lousy Euro, or pound or US dollar, that’s 300 million euro’s or dollars. At 10% that delivers a 30 million dollar yearly working budget without ever touching the principal which you could return or donate to charity later. And that 30 million could be staging events, buying ad space, defending your own, even bribing judges if you think that’s how this is done.

          Pirates won’t do any of that. Piracy by definition is too small minded, too shortsighted, way too self interested to care about the soaring ideals you opine about here and then do actually shit-all about. We love this. You can imagine.

          So by your own mentality you are destined to be marginalized. We’ll all pay a price for your bad behavior and we know it. And you know I’m personally unhappy about what you are doing to my online rights. But if there was even one shred of tiny truth to the utopian message we see here day in day out, you would have acted on this, long ago. Aaron and others like him would have been buried in defense funds. Congressman would have no choice but to hear you out.

          You won’t. You are selfish, sleaze bag pirates, out for yourselves and whatever you can get at the detriment of everybody else. So until you rise up and stand for something and actually put your money where your mouth is for the agents of real change like Aaron Swartz, you’ll be defeated or forced to run and hide the rest of your digital lives. Did I say put your money, real MONEY?? where your mouth is?

          lmao
          Don’t make me laugh.

        • Guest

          @Anon

          And yet…
          Pirates are the only ones, it seems, capable to idealise a world where freedom of information, freedom of choice and freedom from corporate regulation (don’t deny that any law passed is a favour to the particular business) cannot only benefit Mankind but enhance life for everyone.

          I’ll give you one example as a generalization.
          Today patent law forbids the creation and distribution of a unique drug. The procedure to manufacture it, the equipment needed to make it, even the delivery system is ‘protected’ by law. That means that it cannot be ‘copied’.

          Imagine, even if a method was created not derived from the original manufacturing process, using equipment which bore no resemblance to designs in the original patents, and it could be delivered painless and free, even then this unique life saving, rare drug, which might be produced at a cost a million times cheaper than the original CAN’T be made. Millions might benefit from it, but they will never receive it. Why? Because it is the drug ITSELF which belongs to a company. It BELONGS. It is not a resource. It is a PRODUCT which comes at a cost, even if that cost means DEATH.

          Piracy by definition is too small minded, too shortsighted, way too self interested to care about the soaring ideals you opine about here and then do actually shit-all about. We love this. You can imagine.

          You love to watch the masses suffer. That’s how I interpret copyright, patent and trademarks. That’s what they mean to me, and to thousands who visit this site.

          Despite what you think, we can band together when we need to see change or to stop unjust laws. We can, we have and we will in the future. It is too important that you are stopped from ruling the World through OUR elected governments.

        • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

          Actually, ……. I’ld be “doing it” …….over and over again with an enormously loooooong barbed wire strap-on TO his Masters (lol)……

        • SoundnuoS

          @Guest

          And there finally is one of the possible issues with patent law. First time I’ve seen it appear here. Certainly didn’t find it mentioned in any of the old blogs.
          Notice how getting Game of Thrones for free has nothing to do with it and kind of pales in comparison?

          Of course, if it really is a miraculous drug no one will certainly refrain from manufacturing it because that would mean throwing away money.
          The problem is how much will it cost to those who need it? If it’s too expensive some of the people who really need it might not afford it.

          That’s why the exclusivity granted by patents is only 12 years in the US for drugs. Anyone can create a generic competing drug after that.

          Another more interesting question is: if we do scrap patent law, how will we get anyone to put up the cost for developing the drug in the first place?

        • commenter8

          Falkvinge isn’t killing us, Anon. He’s a brilliant innovator who is leading us (willingly) and you (unwillingly) to a better future, whether you believe it or not.

      • MadAsASnake

        How is filing legal cases you have no intention of prosecuting (unless you think you’ll get a default judgment within the law? It is abuse of legal process and must be stopped.

      • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

        They are NOT doing “what they can within the law”.

        They are doing what they can get away with outside of the law.

        Why?

        They are NOT allowed to conscript the personal private information of Unknown people without the prior establishment of a direct link between the specific accused Person and a specific criminal act.

        They are NOT allowed, in the absence of such a judicially vetted link, to conscript the private personal information of customers in the Custody of ISPs through the extra-legal recourse of a “private” administrative understanding of convenience between themselves and the ISP.

        Maybe they can try to make that dead dog bite.

        But the really angry Big Dog is on the other side.

        It’s got three hundred million heads.

        If necessary, it will bite them three hundred million times.

        It gave out a gentle purr doing PIPA, SOPA, ACTA, CISPA, and TPP.

        Soon, you will hear it growl.

        • Anon

          all hot air.

        • Anon

          I hate myself

        • Guest

          @Anon

          You’re just mad that SOPA died and people are ready to bash its inbred little brother to death at a moment’s notice.

      • salvagesalvage

        It is when it’s a pointless waste of time wrapped in a grubby extortion scheme.

  • Guest

    Teksavvy leases their lines from Rogers because Canadian law tells them they must. I’m sure Rogers doesn’t like this, so maybe this plays into Rogers hand to squash the competition.

  • markh

    Just make downloading legal like Netherlands and Switzerland

  • RIAAtarded

    In a word… awesome… Must be me but the entertainment industry should do a little research first or learn from it’s own experiences. BMG went to court against five Canadian ISPs in 2004 in order to identify 29 alleged music file-sharers, the ISPs, all major companies, opposed the request. The result was that the federal court dismissed the case, largely on the grounds that the copyright holder didn’t provide enough evidence of infringement. Since then nothing has changed they still collect IPs and equate that to a person. Worse yet is because they’ve been capped to a max of 5000$ for ALL infringement they are claiming this as commercial thus inflating the award.
    The movie company says it will seek an injunction, statutory damages, “an accounting of all profits from the Defendants’ wrongful activities”, damages for “interference with economic relations and unjust enrichment”, “aggravated, exemplary and punitive damages in the amount of $10,000.00″, “special damages” (whatever they are) plus costs.

    Any sane judge looking at this crap is going to see they only have an IP off the internet that may or may not have been part of a bit torrent swarm which involved a torrent with their pictures name in it. For that they want access to all the IP holders personal / financial info and an award for double what is legally allowed by Canadian law? I know voltage deals in fiction and thinks they own a copyright on sex acts like they invented it somehow but I’m seriously hoping that that the rest of us in reality will run them out of the country on a rail.

  • xpmule

    I hope if this gets to court the issue is looked at closely, as in the validity of an ip address logged and HOW they managed to collect their info.
    using a closed source program or method to collect data should set off alarms. If they can’t show they court transparency in their collection methods it should be thrown out and they should have to prove 100% each IP is valid at the time the offense occurred other wise it should be thrown out.

    I know they can’t do that so this case *should go no where but lets see how dumb the judge is..

    • RIAAtarded

      Well and there in lies the rub. In cases where an offence has been committed / alleged it is still the individual who needs to address it and as had been said time and again IP =/= a person. So basically if the info is released the canadian courts are saying it is ok for these rights holders to extort the ISP account holder as there is little chance of this going to trial. A good defence lawyer is a $5000 retainer which coincidentally is the maximum allowable fine which do you think guilty or not your average individual will choice?

      First thing the court need to do is realize with wifi and the size of home networks there is no guarantee that you have the infringer based on IP alone. Every retail router can be hacked, WEP, WPA, WPA2 AND WPS are all accessible with little effort. Hell a hacker with a good antenna can break your wifi from the comfort of his own home miles away or wardriving. What about PC that have been compromised? Windows has more holes then a screen door. What happens if the IP is an entity not a person? Pretty sure Starbucks isn’t going to pay 5k every time someone powers up a PC over a latte and utorrent autostarts. That and all this is predicated on the fact that collection methods for IP is 100% accurate which time and again it has been proven it isn’t. This all reminds me of speed cameras. They aren’t legal in several provinces because a pic of a car speeding is just a pic of a car speeding it isn’t the driver.

      Thankfully the court is hearing other views on the matter to make an intelligent decision.

      • xpmule

        couldn’t agree more ..well said :)

        i also enjoy Backtrack as my linux distrib of choice *when i use nix ;)
        the convenience of wifi cracking related tools inside is great.

        i tried to talk about this one day on TPB’s irc and one expert in there i can’t remember his name was a network pro he said and insisted i would never guess his WEP password he uses lol
        i never could convince him and sadly he is a victim of his own stupidity.
        the expert should do some pen testing on his OWN network and find out lol
        i heard about this because the story made the internet news sites because the FBI are the ones who told everyone and made it popular.. They put on a presentation at a Black Hat Hackers conference in LA many years ago when this was all new showing peoples can do it and where to get the free publicly available tools to do it..

        So people can thank the FBI for helping make it popular lol
        And of course the people that MADE the tools.. they are pretty bad ass mofo’s !

        You all might be surprised to know i have used another persons connection and YES i am evil muahahha lol
        And because of this i know i can’t be sued ;)
        So that ALONE should be enough to have this extortion scheme wiped from the planet for good !
        Never mind Internet cafe’s.. McDonald’s or the many people who deliberatly leave their wifi open.. such as at least half dozen where i live.
        I used to rent a place 2 years ago and my landlord said wifi was not included but they left it open and i used it anyway AND they said the same about cable and told me it was because the company complained at them BUT they left the cable running when i moved in so i just kept using it.. so it was a sketchy situation which may be right or wrong but it is proof that an IP is not a valid way to identify anyone or anything !

        • RIAAtarded

          yup with you there. I worked out west at one point on a contract that was fairly short so never got internet setup. Not because I didn’t want to pay for their service but the ISP couldn’t accomodate such a fast turn around. As suck my only recourse was to buy and appropriate router I could run DDWRT on, change it to an access point and hack the hell out of the cul de sac and put a roller script on it so if it lost one connection it automatically grabbed the next. In the end I’d compromised 1/2 dozen networks that were locked down and 2 more that were open. Now I just needed to report in send a few emails and check costing so i was doing nothing shady but there is no guarantee the next guy isn’t. Plus if I was how would the home owner know or be able to defend themselves? There is nothing on any big box store router to log, alert, or stop such activity so the poor bastard paying for the line knows nothing other then the fact someone says he grabbed something which may or may not be the case. In the end until they make a product that can’t be exploited with minimal effort you can’t hold the owner responsible for it’s use.

  • USA_ARE_TERRORISTS

    Why would anyone support anything from a terrorist nation is beyond me, and USA is the number 1 terrorist nation.

    • Eurofag

      Canada is #3 right now, next to USA and britain – eurofag

      • USA_ARE_TERRORISTS

        Get your facts straight before you post your 2 cents eurofag, Canada is number 4 right now, next to USA, britain and israel.

        • Eurofag

          I stand corrected. :D

    • Tactical Nuclear Penguin

      The USA has finally become the country that they have been warning the world about.
      It’s time for sanctions to be brought against them, especially as they will default on their loans this year, making them financial terrorists like Argentina, Greece, Portugal, Spain etc.
      Unfortunately as their dollar collapses I won’t be able to help them out by purchasing some of their products cheaply as my country’s importers will still be trying to price gouge us.

  • WootWoot

    Guys, a cousin of a friend went to china a few weeks ago and while there, he went to the chinese black market. You can find any DVD you want, somethings not even available in america. He brought back a catalog, in which orders can be placed online.

    Unfortunately I will not be posting the site, as there are FAR too many “Trolls” on this site. They are dirt cheap and the selection is huge. It is a win-win for everybody and the best part is, The americans can’t do anything to prevent this and all the proceeds do not end up in the hands of the americans.

    LMAO

  • Skunk

    Did I just hear someone shout ‘pizza and hookers’ ?

  • Anon

    Very nice. Daily erudition at TF.

  • HmmmmmmmPizza
  • HmmmmmmSTD’s

    craigslist for hookers ?
    brb

  • i LOL’d

    lol but……only $19.61

    Bet you are a cheapskate IRL too. :¬)

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