NinjaVideo Admins and Uploaders Indicted By Grand Jury

p2jack

wow she seems really upset.

http://otester.myopenid.com/ PiRat

Personally I’d turn my house into a fortress and buy all the heavy weapons I could and take every last pig with me.
- Ignorethelaw
  
  Already working on that
  - Anonymous
    
    ,,. awesomme,, I just got a $829.99 iPad2 for only $103.37 and my mom got a $1499.99 HDTV for only $251.92, they are both coming with USPS tomorrow. I would be an idiot to ever pay full retail prîces at places like Walmart or Bestbuy. I sold a 37″ HDTV to my boss for $600 that I only paid $78.24 for.
    I use EgoWïn.com
- YarickZan
  
  Right and then you become exactly the kind of person people can point to and say “Here look at this. This is a bad man. He is violent and he murdered police officers who only do their job.” You become exactly the type of person that the news media hopes for and can turn into a three ring circus. The type the politicians love too because it means they can point to you and say “See this is what we are trying to protect you from. We need stronger, tougher laws.”
  - Ignorethelaw
    
    *sigh* It’s hard to refute your impeccable logic, but I know if they came for me they’d never take me alive or without a fight. So I understand where PiRat is coming from.
  - http://otester.myopenid.com/ PiRat
    
    Many sympathized with the victims of the Waco siege, and this would be follow the same lines…defense not offense.
    
    Only the stupid will believe the mainstream media, those people are irrelevant anyways.
  - http://otester.myopenid.com/ PiRat
    
    Many sympathized with the victims of the Waco siege, and this would be follow the same lines…defense not offense.
    
    Only the stupid will believe the mainstream media, those people are irrelevant anyways.
  - Curt
    
    That would be 1 opinion.
- Trophy
  
  I like that attitude. I may be going down but its nice to know some of them won’t be showing up at the trophy ceremony either.
- Nebulous Rekaburb
  
  Reasonable enough.
- Nebulous Rekaburb
  
  Reasonable enough.
- Pig-Killer
  
  Yeah, fu*k those stupid pigs that we call the US government!
Guest

America : where they lock people up for sharing files, while handing billions to financial criminals and spending trillions on useless wars.
- http://www.facebook.com/sidazhou Sida Zhou
  
  And the CEO of financial institutes never got a pay cut in the economic crisis in US. I guess fucking up the economy of whole country is not a big deal compared to fucking up movie industry.

http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

Criminal charges for NON-profit sharing? Give me a break here.

John

NON-profit?!?! I’m far from pro copyright but people clearly make money from these sites!
- Erthwjim
  
  I have a friend that runs a site similar to the above, most of the money that is made is to make back server costs, if they’re lucky. And those server costs can get quite expensive, even if they don’t host the movies themselves, bandwidth for such sites, for the database and the computers required to run it and the front end, etc, is not very cheap at all. But then I’m sure you’ve ran a site like that and know what you’re talking about. Or maybe you’re just projecting the things that you would do if you ran such a site. Not everyone is about profit, not everyone goes by the initials MPAA.
  - Ven
    
    Keep in mind that, from a legal standpoint, there is a large difference between non-profit and not-profitable. If you are churning large amounts of revenue as a result of site traffic, you can end up being held accountable for trying to profit from your actions.
    
    If those actions are illegal, then you are screwed. How and why courts decide that linking to content is or is not legal is still beyond me.
- Erthwjim
  
  I have a friend that runs a site similar to the above, most of the money that is made is to make back server costs, if they’re lucky. And those server costs can get quite expensive, even if they don’t host the movies themselves, bandwidth for such sites, for the database and the computers required to run it and the front end, etc, is not very cheap at all. But then I’m sure you’ve ran a site like that and know what you’re talking about. Or maybe you’re just projecting the things that you would do if you ran such a site. Not everyone is about profit, not everyone goes by the initials MPAA.
- Steve
  
  “NON-profit?!?! I’m far from pro copyright but people clearly make money from these sites!”
  
  Do you have a link to something, anything which will verify your assumption?
  
  The site I run back in its hey-day, was listed in the top 50,000 websites on the net according to Alexa and virtually every month, the ad revenue we got didn’t even come close to covering the server, bandwidth and licensing costs.
  - No
    
    You made money, but it wasn’t enough to cover your costs, so I guess sorry you’re bad at running a business?
    You and these guys are trying to make for-profit services, very different from non-profits.
- JSmith
  
  Don’t listen to these people who keep hiding behind the “server cost” excuse. I used to run a site like this once and could easily make handsome money at the end of the month even after paying the server bills.
  - http://otester.myopenid.com/ PiRat
    
    Even if you can make money from it, that’s irrelavent.
    
    These control laws (IPR) shouldn’t exist in the first place.
  - Anonymous
    
    You should wait a little bit before you post the same shit again under another name you idiot!
    
    you are just a corporation of parasite pay troll!
    
    Tell your bosses that we are going to kill them all!
  - Guest
    
    CORPORATE TROLL ALERT!
    
    (We know you are all by yourself by the way)
    
    “I used to run a site like this once and could easily make handsome money at the end of the month even after paying the server bills.”
    
    Ya right! you are lying:
    
    1) There is nothing easy about making money with a website. This is hard-work.
    
    2) If the site has really a lot of traffic the server cost become substantial. Ask the Pirate bay.
    
    3) Everyone really operating a web site will tell you that if you don’t have substantial traffic you don’t make much money.
    
    You see, you don’t know what you are talking about. May be you should get educated before you lie so that you have a chance to be believed.
  - GUEST
    
    CORPORATE PAID TROLL ALERT!
    
    IGNORE!
- GUEST
  
  CORPORATE PAID TROLL ALERT!
  
  IGNORE!
- HOHO
  
  CORPORATE TROLL ALERT!
  
  PLEASE IGNORE!

http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

Funny how SHARING is CARING becomes a criminal offence in the USa and yet few people believe its government is fascist simply because that same government used the 9-11 incident as an excuse to clamp y’all down and pass unfair laws that result in shit Court cases as this.

Best of luck you guys.
It was nice knowing you had the chance to be a part of our World.
See you when you stop being such asswipes toward humanity and society.

Anon

The only asswipes here, Rob, are the ones who disrespect the difference between that which we make ourselves and are entitled to share and that which is for sale by the copy for a creators livelihood. Keep pretending you don’t get it and weep. We are just getting started.
- An Unwashed Heathen
  
  Let’s pretend you succeed in eliminating filesharing.
  Well baby, I try before I buy. If I can’t try, then I won’t buy. Period. And I won’t be the only one.
  
  Then what, Nancyboy? Gonna go crying to the government as usual? Gonna go throwing a fit in court like a spoiled brat, as usual? None of that would work, as there would be no more filesharing for you to cry about.
  You can’t force anyone to buy anything. Period.
  
  What will happen instead is that Karma comes along and gives you a long deserved spanking.
  
  Pissing on your customers isn’t the smartest of moves, pantywaist.
  I suggest you think about that, long and hard. And change your fucking diaper.
  - Anon
    
    “You can’t force anyone to buy anything. Period.”
    
    True.
    But you can take a series of steps over time that makes it dangerous and eventually extremely painful for them if they are caught stealing it instead of purchasing it or doing without it.
    You declared war, all’s fair, and Phara’s just the next. Brace yourself, silly adhom boy.
  - Anonymous
    
    Sorry, any comments that try and equate ‘copyright infringement’ with ‘stealing’ are just getting deleted now. Tired of it. We did a piece showing the laws in detail a few weeks ago. If you can’t be bothered to know basics facts, then it’s just trolling and away it goes…
  - Andrew DeFaria
    
    That’s funny because I seem to be forced to pay for this welfare state we have. Yes, I’m talking about taxes and yes I’m forced to buy.
  - An Unwashed Heathen
    
    @Andrew,
    Paying taxes shouldn’t piss you off.
    Paying taxes without any kind of representation should!
    Especially when the representation we’re seeing goes to whiny-ass punks in the copywrong monopoly on our dime, instead of us regular guys. I’m really starting to get sick and tired of those greedmongering crybabies. How ’bout you?
    
    And @Anon, you’re not worthy of kissing my ass, and I’m sure as hell not kissing yours. Kicking it, however, sounds like a plan. FOAD, and good riddance.
  - Guest
    
    “You can’t force anyone to buy anything. Period”
    
    Wrong!
    
    Once the government is corrupted you can although this violate the US constitution.
    
    Look at the car insurance for example.
  - Ven
    
    It must suck to be a person that can’t get to Youtube to listen to music before you buy it. Or walk into a music store and sit demoing albums all day long until you find the one you love. Or visit a bands Myspace/Facebook/webpage to listen to demo streams they put up for people to try their music before they buy.
    
    I really hope you can immigrate to a more advanced society for many reasons far more important than audio entertainment.
  - Trespass
    
    @Ven
    For the time being you might be able to find a band on youtube, but many artists are removed fairly quickly at the request of the labels. I’m sure a second round of youtube harassment is forthcoming. They got hit a few years ago with a slew of take down notices and then things got lax again.
    
    You really cannot use you tube as a resource for trying before you buy. The 20 second blurbs I get on Amazon are helpful, but not very revealing as to the quality of songwriting.
    
    If file sharing disappeared tomorrow, I would not be supporting the creators any more than I did before the dawn of the digital age. I have always bought from pawn shops and second hand stores for music and movies, Half Price Books for books. Artists are not compensated. Not that I want it to be that way, but buying recycled is a fraction of the cost. In this economy, it just makes sense. I’m sure I am not alone…
  - AnonSchmanon
    
    “But you can take a series of steps over time that makes it dangerous and eventually extremely painful for them if they are caught stealing it instead of purchasing it or doing without it.
    You declared war, all’s fair, and Phara’s just the next. Brace yourself, silly adhom boy. ”
    
    I don’t think you know the meaning of the words “dangerous” or “painful”. For instance, driving is dangerous. Accidents happen all the time. Some entirely out of the control of the driver and/or passenger. Not to mention absolutely zero control over other drivers on the road, who may hit you. Attempting to stop a mugging can be dangerous. They may have any of a variety of weapons.
    
    Downloading a file is in no way even remotely dangerous. Unless by dangerous you mean you might accidentally catch a virus/malware/etc. But then again, downloading a file is less of a risk in regards to that than regular web browsing. I’ve repaired more computers that had infections from simple web browsing than from computers used for downloading anything.
    
    So yeah, rethink your use of the term “dangerous”.
    
    As for “extremely painful”, well we’re back to the “dangerous” thing again. I gave examples of situation that are actually dangerous and can result in genuine pain be inflicted in the course of said examples/situations.
    
    Again, downloading a file is in no way extremely painful.
    
    And as for “a series of steps over time”, well while I get what you’re saying, that eventually laws/rules/etc will be enacted that make downloading something dangerous and painful, that still is incorrect. No one can be physically injured or have their life in anyway endangered for downloading a file. You’re really taking your points of views to the extreme. Lol. Also, I don’t think war has been declared. That would require that two separate groups of people mutually acknowledge each other and one declares war on the other. And it’s a clear battlefield and the rules of engagement are established and (somewhat) agreed upon. None of that has happened. Basically, one group wants to download stuff (I won’t point out the legality of doing so, because it falls under both, in some places it’s illegal in others it’s legal) and be left in peace. The other group doesn’t want people to download stuff and is going off in a crusade to protect their interest. (It should be noted, that the people who want THEIR interest protected tend to not be actual content creators, but middle men, who then proceed to profit off of the work of others.) Technically, if war has been declared, it’s been declared by the middle men. And the war hasn’t been declared on file sharers, but on everyone on the planet. Even those who are just bystanders in all of this. Because regular innocent people are now about to have their rights violated to protect the profits of said middle men. Doesn’t sound like war to me. Sounds more like terrorism. Yeah, I went there. If you can make extreme and irrelevant statements and examples than so can I. At least mine make a bit more sense.
    
    Oh, and has been pointed out repeatedly, you can’t steal a download or a file. Downloading something is considered copyright infringement. The United States Supreme Court has ruled on the matter. If you’re trying to take the moral and legal high ground, you’d do well to acknowledge the distinction between “theft” and “copyright infringement”.
    
    I for one eagerly look forward to the day that stupidity is punished. With extreme prejudice. I foresee the world becoming a much better place at that point. And dangerous comments like yours will be all the evidence needed to enact extremely painful measures upon you, and thus further help with filtering the genetic gene pool. : )
  - Ven
    
    @Trespass
    
    Uh, almost every artist trying to sell their music or themselves is knowingly on Youtube – it is now considered to be a more important presence to maintain online than Myspace is.
    
    But that wasn’t my point. My point was that people have numerous copyright-holder-approved resources available with which to preview music before they have to purchase it. Many of those are on the internet. Go ahead and go hunting for music that is currently being sold, that you can’t find at least 30-60 seconds of (if not the whole thing).
  - Heathen Soap
    
    Hi Lee! /waves
- Guest
  
  “We are just getting started.”
  
  Oh ya?
  
  We are going to kill you all!
- Ignorethelaw
  
  Bah talk all you want I’ll do what I please and no one can stop me. I fear nothing that lives and no corporate state can control me.
  - Nebulous Rekaburb
    
    You sound like the head of FIAA.
  - Nebulous Rekaburb
    
    You sound like the head of FIAA.
- Guest104
  
  Beware of the dangerous mistake of regarding all copies as “one thing”. They’re not – if you have two copies, and destroy one copy, the other still exists. Different things, QED. Copyrightists have a persistent “whats mine is mine and what’s thine is mine too” attitude that is frankly disgusting. They have no right to any control over copies other than their own. They retain full control over their copy, the actual physical product of their work. It is their choice to release a copy. Remember, physical property law and copyright monopolies are actively incompatible, as demonstrated by N. Stephan Kinsella. If you’re for copyright, you’re against property.
  
  http://mises.org/books/against.pdf
  
  Remember linux “cost” over a billion to develop in a conservative estimate, and you can get that for free. Perhaps we should just give whiny self-entitiled toddler copyrightists who think it’s okay to censor a free ubuntu cd, and maybe a glass of milk and a cookie and send them to bed. The information that’s already freely available to those poor starving artists is more than anyone could ever hope to produce in a lifetime. Unlawful doesn’t mean wrong. It’s right to break unjust laws, and you don’t get many more unjust than copyright monopoly law. If you don’t want something copied, don’t release it.
- Guest104
  
  Beware of the dangerous mistake of regarding all copies as “one thing”. They’re not – if you have two copies, and destroy one copy, the other still exists. Different things, QED. Copyrightists have a persistent “whats mine is mine and what’s thine is mine too” attitude that is frankly disgusting. They have no right to any control over copies other than their own. They retain full control over their copy, the actual physical product of their work. It is their choice to release a copy. Remember, physical property law and copyright monopolies are actively incompatible, as demonstrated by N. Stephan Kinsella. If you’re for copyright, you’re against property.
  
  http://mises.org/books/against.pdf
  
  Remember linux “cost” over a billion to develop in a conservative estimate, and you can get that for free. Perhaps we should just give whiny self-entitiled toddler copyrightists who think it’s okay to censor a free ubuntu cd, and maybe a glass of milk and a cookie and send them to bed. The information that’s already freely available to those poor starving artists is more than anyone could ever hope to produce in a lifetime. Unlawful doesn’t mean wrong. It’s right to break unjust laws, and you don’t get many more unjust than copyright monopoly law. If you don’t want something copied, don’t release it.
  - Anon
    
    What happened here, your copy and paste buttons get stuck? lol
  - Guest104
    
    @Anon.
    
    No, you’re just trotting out the same tired old fallacies, thus meriting the same replies.
- Guest104
  
  Beware of the dangerous mistake of regarding all copies as “one thing”. They’re not – if you have two copies, and destroy one copy, the other still exists. Different things, QED. Copyrightists have a persistent “whats mine is mine and what’s thine is mine too” attitude that is frankly disgusting. They have no right to any control over copies other than their own. They retain full control over their copy, the actual physical product of their work. It is their choice to release a copy. Remember, physical property law and copyright monopolies are actively incompatible, as demonstrated by N. Stephan Kinsella. If you’re for copyright, you’re against property.
  
  http://mises.org/books/against.pdf
  
  Remember linux “cost” over a billion to develop in a conservative estimate, and you can get that for free. Perhaps we should just give whiny self-entitiled toddler copyrightists who think it’s okay to censor a free ubuntu cd, and maybe a glass of milk and a cookie and send them to bed. The information that’s already freely available to those poor starving artists is more than anyone could ever hope to produce in a lifetime. Unlawful doesn’t mean wrong. It’s right to break unjust laws, and you don’t get many more unjust than copyright monopoly law. If you don’t want something copied, don’t release it.
- Meh
  
  Stop including yourself in the “we” thing. We all know you’re not a content creator. Nor are you part of the RIAA/MPAA/lawyers who work for them/politicians who do their bidding. You’re a nobody. Yep, you read that right. A nobody. A nobody who doesn’t approve of what some are doing and thus gladly waves his flag in support of those who are doing what he approves of. Which is working on trampling rights.
  
  $5 says you were totally in support of the Egyptian government cutting off internet/cell phone access awhile back while the people revolted over wanting freedom.
  
  I love how you say “keep pretending you don’t get it and weep” too. Makes me laugh. I’m sure if everything turned out just how you want it to and file sharing still continued, you’d be having a hissy fit and bawling your eyes out. “They’re still doing it! Boohoo!” No one really gives a damn what you say or do or think, they’ll do what they please. Everyone’s got a mind of their own. And it’ll surprise you to know most don’t agree with you. They’re just too lazy to be as openly vocal as you are. Which doesn’t mean they aren’t doing anything, it just means they have better things to do with their time than troll websites online.
  
  Weep Anon. Weep. Because when things don’t go your way you just might lose your sh*t and end up in an insane asylum in a nice padded room. Babbling to yourself about how “life’s not fair, we had them beat”. And rocking back and forth in a corner, in a futile attempt to soothe yourself.
  - http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes
    
    Actually I wept when I read this TF article and what many governments are doing to our children and families in the name of the USA’s MAFIAA and their stubborn refusal to adapt their business model to the 21st Century.
    http://torrentfreak.com/15-year-old-schoolboy-on-trial-after-head-teacher-tells-police-about-file-sharing-110824/#comment-294591164
    
    This IS a war, and we who share for NO CASH, NO PROFIT and NO TANGIBLE GAIN shall win for we are legion.
    
    Sharing IS cariring.
    Simple as that.
- http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes
  
  The “creators” don’t get the benefits they truly deserve though. They’re ALL locked in with unfair industry contracts that limit them, their creativity and potential to earn.
  
  Your industry is dying, and you’re no longer needed, so weep yourself and start looking for a new job Troll. You’re redundant, we don’t NEED you and don’t want you interfering either.
- HighwayToHell
  
  Actually Anon, the only asswipes here are the ones who disrespect the Constitution. You know, the people actively encouraging the gross violation and dismantling of Constitutionally protected rights. Rights like freedom of speech and illegal searches/seizures. Or better said, the people who want to monitor every single thing that we say or do online, then accuse us of being guilty without even allowing us a chance to defend ourselves unless we pay first for said chance, those are the asswipes. Those are the people you side with. And that is just scary. You’re the type of person who applauded the Patriot Act. Being naive enough to think that it would never be abused by those in power, which is exactly the same as what’s currently going on in regards to Protect IP. Same exact situation and it will be abused, just you wait.
  
  Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
  
  I even like how you end your diatribe. “We are just getting started.” Although I doubt you speak for anyone in a position of power, or any industry/studio/label in general. That is exactly the mentality I’m talking about. Give ‘em an inch and they’ll take a mile. They’re actively seeking power to do as they please, but doing so within limits that they’ll decide upon (as per their own words), and we’re to believe they won’t abuse this? Hahahahahaha. Please. While some of us are relatively clueless, most of us who are aware of Protect IP and what it represents are not however.
  
  We know this is just the start and a bad start it is. Like the saying goes, “the road to hell is paved with good intentions”. And to quote Bon Scott (AC/DC), with things like Protect IP in the works, well, we’re “on the highway to hell”.
  - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay
    
    The Patriot Act not abused? HAHAHAHA!
    
    http://www.good.is/post/the-most-important-chart-about-the-patriot-act-you-ll-see/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A%20good%2Flbvp%20%28GOOD%20Main%20RSS%20Feed%29

politux

I hope they get off. Kind of absurd that they are being criminally prosecuted for linking to content.

Bob

Actually they didn’t link to the content. Users of that site used to have to install a program that would force the stream from the other site through an IP tunnel on the users own computer, resulting in NinjaVideo streaming the content directly. They where also extremely discurtious to both users and content holders (i.e. the sites that actually had to pay for the bandwidth they were ripping off).

I’m all for copyright free content, but the internet is better without NinjaVideo.
- KILLTHETROLL
  
  CORPORATE TROLL!
  - Bob
    
    as opposed to yourself who is just plainly a moron
- http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell
  
  Agreed…. another corporate troll here.

Anonymous

It is nice to hear Hana Beshara say “no regrets”. It sure beats those site owner who run and hide at the first sign of trouble.

To be honest then we can wish she was in a country like Spain or the UK where linking to copyrighted media is lawful. Instead we have the United States of Copyright Fascism and jail could well await her. Be strong, be brave and remember if she and the others are jailed then they will become political prisoners.

We are indeed in a War of Copyright reform. We fight for the future of our children and our grandchildren. Would you want a World for them where a biometric data scan is needed before they can connect to the Internet? Where sites are pre-selected for them? Where all they do is monitored? Where any disapproved act is fined and automatically deducted from their bank account or wages? Where advertising becomes larger than the gross level of censorship? Where every large organization or government battles for control and force on their own morals and ideology as the Internet gets fractured?

Face the reality… The Internet has charged our world forever. It is a resource of endless knowledge. A place filled with innovation and creation. A place of anonymity and of true freedom.

Then realise the old world is trying to hold it back. To rob you of your freedoms. Should the Internet be changed or should they change? Clearly the Internet is a place of major commerce that can be tapped for profit for those good enough. It has been proved it can be done for music. But can they ever stop friends sharing their favourite MP3s? No…and nor should they. Then NetFlix proves it can be done for movies even if they have to buy up 2nd hand supply rights.

So once again our innovators face court and jail. I am not impressed.

http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

Absolutely brilliant V0, you’ve hit the nail on the head with that ^ delightfully polite post and I’ve nothing constructive to add ….

… other than this simple message to the MAFIAA.

ADAPT or DIE
for sharing IS caring.

Anonymous

It is nice to hear Hana Beshara say “no regrets”. It sure beats those site owner who run and hide at the first sign of trouble.

To be honest then we can wish she was in a country like Spain or the UK where linking to copyrighted media is lawful. Instead we have the United States of Copyright Fascism and jail could well await her. Be strong, be brave and remember if she and the others are jailed then they will become political prisoners.

We are indeed in a War of Copyright reform. We fight for the future of our children and our grandchildren. Would you want a World for them where a biometric data scan is needed before they can connect to the Internet? Where sites are pre-selected for them? Where all they do is monitored? Where any disapproved act is fined and automatically deducted from their bank account or wages? Where advertising becomes larger than the gross level of censorship? Where every large organization or government battles for control and force on their own morals and ideology as the Internet gets fractured?

Face the reality… The Internet has charged our world forever. It is a resource of endless knowledge. A place filled with innovation and creation. A place of anonymity and of true freedom.

Then realise the old world is trying to hold it back. To rob you of your freedoms. Should the Internet be changed or should they change? Clearly the Internet is a place of major commerce that can be tapped for profit for those good enough. It has been proved it can be done for music. But can they ever stop friends sharing their favourite MP3s? No…and nor should they. Then NetFlix proves it can be done for movies even if they have to buy up 2nd hand supply rights.

So once again our innovators face court and jail. I am not impressed.

meh

good! couldnt of happened to a nicer bitch! she was a total cunt and completely deserves everything she gets. ninjavideo was a great site but phara and her lackys were cunts. plain and simple

Guest

CORPORATE TROLL ALERT!

(Health alert: Being a corporate mercenaries might be hazardous to your health.)
Guest

CORPORATE TROLL ALERT!

(Health alert: Being a corporate mercenaries might be hazardous to your health.)
- Unfo
  
  You know, if you’re going to call everyone who disagrees with you a copyright troll, you will lose credibility.
  I’m sure some of these people are trolls, but I don’t think all of them are.
  - Guest
    
    Corporate troll alert!
    
    (Informative tadbit: The above guy disagrees with the hivemind!)
KillThemAll

Sometime my dog catches flees. We kill them all.

Sometime the human society catches some flees as well. The people kill them all also 1776, 1789. . . . 2012!

The flees infesting our society right now are the corporate parsites. We are going to kill them all too. We just got the hanging ropes and the guillotines down from the attics Return to you master who pay you to troll and tell them that. When they die and as we prepare to put their heads on pics you could claim that you warned them.
- Nebulous Rekaburb
  
  Corporate Troll.
- Nebulous Rekaburb
  
  Corporate Troll.
Alex

Couldn’t agree with you more. The site as fine but the admins were total nightmares treating anyone who didn’t donate like trash.

meh

good! couldnt of happened to a nicer bitch! she was a total cunt and completely deserves everything she gets. ninjavideo was a great site but phara and her lackys were cunts. plain and simple

Rabbithead202

All of the ICE seized sites were “for profit” and received compensation from some form of advertising?? Is that assumption correct? What was Joshua Evans doing that made him “the most active uploader”…how many Terabytes of data was he uploading……was he a site admin or moderator??? How did NinjaVideo accumulate $500,000.00???

djnforce9

Just because money is received, it doesn’t mean it was “for profit”. Servers and bandwidth aren’t free and for a highly popular site, things can get expensive accommodating all those visitors.
- Dudesabider12
  
  dude, i run several large websites using 28 leased quad core servers with over 150tb of data transfer monthly and my bills are exactly $5500 a month. If ninja was only linking to content then wtf would they need a half a million for? bandwidth? no. servers? no. it was a for profit scheme plain and simple.
  
  fuck these profiteers! ninja was just another version of riaa, ripping off people any way they could. let em rot.
  - MEAGAIN
    
    CORPORATE TROLL ALERT!
    
    ONLY ONE TROLL JUST IGNORE THIS POST.
  - Unknown
    
    I used to run a site not so long ago with a 5Gbit/s Network Connectivity across our whole network, this wasn’t cheap, We used to run a an Image, Video, Storage, Pastebin Storage site and when you’ve got people uploading the latest movies, TV Shows and just their general videos the bandwidth from just our video servers wasn’t anything small especially when people started uploading the last LOST Episode we were doing 2.5Gbit/s just from 1 Video.
    
    Why they asked we didn’t remove the video as soon as we had multiple people uploading them, for the reason I support sharing and we only removed apon DMCA requests.
    
    Our Image Servers used to do more 15k Connections Per Minute and I can tell you for a pure fact that bandwidth isn’t cheap until you get until the 10Gbit/s.
    
    We also had links with one of these sites that got seized by ICE and I wont say which one and it wasn’t Ninjavideo but we hosted 90% of their images on their sites and without us holding some of their images their bandwidth would of had been huge and their servers possibly wouldn’t have handled the amount of connections especially if they were running such httpd services as Apache.
    
    So please bugger off when you say “HOW WAS IT SO EXPENSIVE!” When you’re running multiple servers in a co-location you’ve not got to look at just the bandwidth or connectivity costs, you’ve also got to keep the servers running with hardware that isn’t catching fire just to someone sticking the a heatsink in and not putting it in correctly.
  - Guest
    
    First: STOP TROLLING! WE KNOW YOU ARE ALL ALONE AND YOU OPINIONS ARE NOT REAL!
    
    You posted something like this before under another name.
    
    Second: Once again you are lying since once again you demonstrate that you don’t know what you are talking about. 150tb is nothing for any site with substantial traffic even one delivering only shortcut such as Ninja video.
    
    Also the claim that the site collected half million is a lie from your bosses and their lawyers. But we are not surprised by this since lying, sheeting, stealing and sexually abusing people and kids is in your culture and will remain so until you become extinct.
Anonymous

The big question is what do they mean by uploaders? I expect the main uploaders were couriers. Such a job is to FXP transfer new media from topsites linked servers to other places that want it. They are usually rewarded with bandwidth/data allowance.

You can imagine queuing sends of new media in the morning of several TB, click the transfer button, then coming back for lunch to sort out a couple of failures, before all done for the day.

The problem in this is that NinjaVideo was linking to media on other sites so they handled only spotting and announcements and no uploads. Then what was the relationship between NinjaVideo and those who did upload the media?
- http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay
  
  NV got most of their videos from Sidereel. There’s a huge ranking system in place where people that uploaded movies were rewarded with a different colored name to show off their rank. Huge incentive, right?

Lol

stop crying woman. you made a shit ton of cash from a site. it’s not like you did it for the “community”.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

Please provide a source for this “shit ton” of cash.
GUEST

CORPORATE PAID TROLL ALERT!
- DUDESABIDER12
  
  13 YEAR OLD KID ALERT!!
  - Notmeyou
    
    CORPORATE TROLL ALERT!
    
    Please ignore this post!
GUEST

CORPORATE PAID TROLL ALERT!
Noah C.

Hey, fuck you.

I was a part of the NinjaVideo community. You have no fucking idea what kind of a closely knit community it was.

FUCK YOU.

Real G

She made tons of cash and squandered it on trips around the world. you were doing something illegal. you should have known this could happen. Be a fucking stand up person and this shit like a G

Reality smacks

Yeah I was about to say the same thing. Zip it woman, you ought to be put away for life and punched in that sorry face of yours. While we work hard to earn our meals, you earned a great deal of money illegally and then cry like a victim when caught. Your kind makes me sick.
- Guest
  
  CORPORATE TROLL ALERT!
  
  Ignore post!
  - He
    
    Oh shut up will you?
    Explain why they’re trolling or zip it you punk.
    
    I bet YOU are the copyright troll and you are trying to make ‘pirates’ look like idiots who can not have a conversation or debate without insulting people!
    
    And if you really are one of us, well you are not helping! You just make pirates look like idiots!
- Anti-troll
  
  Ya right you are about to say the same thing you just said yourself using another name.
  
  Do you really think that nobody noticed troll?
  
  you are an idiot!
  - NotmeIswear
    
    Ya! he is right! Why do you agree with yourself using another persona?
  - Anonymous
    
    Psst, you do realise we we can see IP addreses, yes? So I can see ones by ‘GUEST’, ‘Anti-Troll’ and ‘so on…
  - Anonymous
    
    Psst, you do realise we we can see IP addreses, yes? So I can see ones by ‘GUEST’, ‘Anti-Troll’ and ‘so on…
- Guest
  
  Psst, you do realise we we can see IP addreses, yes? So I can see ones by ‘GUEST’, ‘Anti-Troll’ and ‘so on…
  
  psst, so what TROLL?
Guest

Corporate troll:

STOP POSTING THE SAME CRAP AGAIN UNDER DIFFERENT NAME!

You are fooling nobody.
GUEST

CORPORATE TROLL ALERT!
NOMEAGAIN

CORPORATE TROLL ALERT!

IGNORE THIS POST! ONLY ONE TROLL!

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

Here’s what I know about this:

One, NV wasn’t in it for profit, as claimed by the naysayers but did provide a service for others in various countries.

Two, supposedly a raid along with these charges was conducted. However, NO information has come out on NV in the last year and a half.

Three, a ton of people have no idea how much it costs to have servers that need maintenance, running apps, and streaming video on a website, which had massive amounts.

Four, an open challenge to the naysayers because what I get from this is one thing in particular. How much of this is about personal feelings of Phara (Hana) versus the fact that the law is being twisted to try to indict her for criminal copyright infringement?

Right now, there is NO proof of Ninjavideo and the five individuals amassing $500,000, and yet I find it amazing how so many people are jumping on the person indicted for speaking out against this. So which is worse? The law or the person?

suckit

the person.

shes a bitch.

so fuck her.

lifes a popularity contest, she lost it.
- http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay
  
  Even if no one likes her, the law shouldn’t be used like this…
  
  It’s going to have negative consequences for everyone, not just her.
- Rekrul
  
  the person.
  
  shes a bitch.
  
  so fuck her.
  
  lifes a popularity contest, she lost it.
  
  So only popular people deserve to be treated fairly? I hope you remember that if you ever get in trouble and everyone tells you to go fuck yourself.
  - Reality smacks
    
    Oh zip it cry baby. Its people like you who defend the wrong people who try to make money off illegal means while we break our backs to earn a square meal, makes this world a sad place. Share for free or die a painful death for all I care. I am amazed that somehow you don’t think its wrong to make money off stuff that other’s created be it $500k or just $1.
  - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay
    
    @(Dis)Reality
    
    Yo dawg, I heard you hate piracy.
    
    So I put a link to recent info to a great website, so you can research while you research
    
    Meanwhile, this:
    
    I am amazed that somehow you don’t think its wrong to make money off stuff that other’s created be it $500k or just $1.
    
    Is woefully ignorant.
    
    Hollywood would fall tomorrow since it couldn’t write movies based on books (James Bond, Harry Potter, Twilight), games (Max Payne, etc), or use music.
    
    You might want to look at your statement again and think next time you speak.
  - Bob
    
    @Jay,
    
    To be fair, Hollywood flicks pay for that content, weither its a book they are making a movie out of, or a song they are using for effect.
- Guest
  
  No. You lost it troll!
  
  Bad news for you but we love her and we hate you for working for the corporation of parasites and criminals
  - Fail
    
    anyone with a difference of opinion works for the “corporations”
    
    you must be American with such a stupid point of view
  - Fail
    
    anyone with a difference of opinion works for the “corporations”
    
    you must be American with such a stupid point of view
  - Reality smacks
    
    @Fail
    
    Sometimes I wonder if its worth replying to these clowns. When you’re on TF, you are just not allowed to have a different opinion. Anything this site or its supporters say has to be accepted as “right” or else you will be branded as one and the same person working for the corporations and are paid to post on this site.
    
    Ironically, these are the same people who claim to be campaigning for “freedom of speech”, the same freedom of speech they use to call anyone and everyone with a different opinion as troll, insult them and even flag their comments.
    
    Ah well thankfully life has taught me to ignore such people.
  - YoureAWanker
    
    @ Fail and Reality smacks
    
    Perhaps you should both pay a bit more attention. There’s nothing wrong with having a difference of opinion. In fact, there’s quite a few here with different opinions. Ven, Friend of the People, etc. They’re not called trolls or insulted or anything of the sort. They respect others and in turn are respected. They don’t just spew rhetoric, which is what most don’t like. They state their opinions, and make clear it is their opinions, and then present proof/citations/etc that back up their opinions. They’re willing to discuss things reasonably and add to the conversation, sometimes making good points in support of their beliefs. We don’t have a problem with those guys or a few others, whose names elude me at the moment.
    
    However, we will call “troll” on people like Jack Murdock, Anon, Piratescum, lakawak, etc. because that is what they are. They do not add to the conversation. They routinely come here to spew rhetoric, insult the readers here, and basically fulfill the definition of an internet troll. They state their opinions, but try and pass them off as truths and facts, without presenting evidence to support their claims. Then they turn around whenever they are contradicted and DEMAND that people provide proof to support their differing viewpoints, while not doing the same themselves. If you act like that, then yes, you are a troll. You’re just here to talk sh*t. If you’re not willing to discuss things like an adult, and refer to everyone as a criminal and demand that we all lose our rights and whatnot, then yes, you’re going to get called out. As you should.
    
    And while not all people with differing viewpoints are one and the same, a majority are. For awhile there was like one guy posting under a few various usernames. And there have been times where “one person” posting under one username, was actually multiple people. As evidenced by their way of speaking. Which was moronic and filled with rhetoric one moment, then when called out consistently over a given time period, suddenly changed to a more educated speech pattern. And then back after a week or so. Same “person”, but with essentially a serious case of schizophrenia as evidenced by their wildly changing writing styles and “personas”.
    
    Also, Guest, I believe is one person. He has a somewhat extremist point of view. Probably a troll himself/herself. Usually calls others trolls and says the suits are going to die. He does not speak for everyone here. So yeah.
    
    If you’re saying things like “sometimes I wonder if it’s worth replying” perhaps you should stop and think. If you think people here are clowns, and they’re going to just call you “troll”, maybe you should move on from this site. Or not comment at all. I’m not trying to silence you, before you even dare throw “free speech” in my direction. I’m just saying, you know, if you’re here and you’re getting shouted down, there are plenty of other websites where your point of view (whatever it may be) is the norm. And you’d be better off there discussing things with like minded individuals. As opposed to going where your opinion is going to incite angry/uncalled for responses (which is partially what a troll does, post inflammatory remarks to get a reaction, again not calling you that, but just stating an accepted definition of what a troll does).
    
    As for “Anything this site or its supporters say has to be accepted as “right”" well, that applies to anyone/everyone. If you have no problem with file sharing (as in don’t care one way or another) then some of the troll types on here will insult you and berate you and whatnot. Same goes on other sites. So you can’t just point the finger at one group, which you’re doing, when everyone does it. The pro-copyright/anti-file-sharing side does the same thing. I’ve seen it on other sites I visit. So don’t play the victim. Like I said, you don’t like how you’re responded to, don’t comment or get lost. Beats b*tching about it. Sh*t or get off the pot as they say. Prove them wrong by not whining, say something and back it up with proof and evidence, ignore the stupid comments and respond to the intelligent ones. But if all you’re going to do is say “good, I hope this b*tch gets what she deserves” (not sure if you said that, just giving an example), then don’t be surprised when people tell you to “stfu” or something like that.
    
    Man, am I the only grown up here at times or what? And I fall into the “I don’t give a sh*t one way or another” category. I have no problem with file sharing. Do it or don’t, we can each decide what to do or not do for ourselves. We’re all adults. I will not, however, stay quiet and sit by while someone tries to trample on my rights just to attempt to catch a few people doing something they don’t approve of. Nor will I approve of my tax dollars being wasted to look out for an elite fews needs.
    
    Now if anyone wants to respond, feel free. Just know, I probably won’t rise to any bait some may or may not throw my way. I’m not 5. I know when to ignore idiots and when to tell others to f*ck off.
  - Trespass
    
    @YoureAWanker
    
    Very well put. This site would not be as fun without differing opinions. But be adult about it. It’s a given, people who do not agree with file-sharing will be ganged up on here, especially if we are called “thieves and criminals”. For these people, I fail to understand the objective of posting on this site as they will not endear anyone here to their cause. Thus the definition of Troll. They only come, spit out rhetoric, but do not reply to any rebuttals. These rants tend to be off topic most of the time and almost copied from their posts on other articles.
    
    So please, add to the discussion, but please refrain from insults. I understand that some people here do not follow that rule, but as you said, they can be ignored. I am guilty as well at times for being less patient with the nasty, insulting, trolls, but actually enjoy engaging in a healthy debate.
    
    Bottom line, not everyone with a differing opinion is a troll. Only those self righteous types that just come here to insult and judge.
    
    @Fail
    I am an American, not real proud of it.
  - Trespass
    
    @YoureAWanker
    
    Very well put. This site would not be as fun without differing opinions. But be adult about it. It’s a given, people who do not agree with file-sharing will be ganged up on here, especially if we are called “thieves and criminals”. For these people, I fail to understand the objective of posting on this site as they will not endear anyone here to their cause. Thus the definition of Troll. They only come, spit out rhetoric, but do not reply to any rebuttals. These rants tend to be off topic most of the time and almost copied from their posts on other articles.
    
    So please, add to the discussion, but please refrain from insults. I understand that some people here do not follow that rule, but as you said, they can be ignored. I am guilty as well at times for being less patient with the nasty, insulting, trolls, but actually enjoy engaging in a healthy debate.
    
    Bottom line, not everyone with a differing opinion is a troll. Only those self righteous types that just come here to insult and judge.
    
    @Fail
    I am an American, not real proud of it.
  - LOL
    
    @fail: “anyone with a difference of opinion works for the “corporations”
    
    This is not a difference of opinion this is a fake opinion paid for by the corporation.
    
    This is not real! Nobody really think that including the person the Paid Troll who write it. So give me a break corporate parasite!
- Hola
  
  YOU ARE A TROLL!
  
  STOP IT!
Antitroll

The corporate parasite lied withthis claim that they collected $500,000.00

They did not!
- Ven
  
  Do you know what information these admins will supply the judge in terms of the actual amount they have received in revenue?
- Ven
  
  Do you know what information these admins will supply the judge in terms of the actual amount they have received in revenue?

Meh

Tax dollars funded the entire process, and taxes are going to pay to lock them up. And for what, to protect some private businesses and their bottom line?
ICE? I guess patrolling the borders and airports for kids and disabled persons wasn’t working out so well, so this is their next bet to appear busy.
At the end of the day, what was really solved? The eggheads have said that the death penalty does nothing to deter criminals, so if punishing a few people is supposed to stop anything else then they’re not doing a very good job.

No wonder our country’s symbol is the bald eagle – its the sign of cowardice and parasitic behavior.

tiger97a

AT first their are always some who have to pay the price for things that bring in new stuff and even though its gaining ground quite fast we are still a few years away from it being the normal but let them keep pissing off judges and bogging the court system down you will start to see changes like you can now just a little, if they kept records and put their money in a bank then their are records, it will come out in court.

i personally think that if you make one cent over your cost of servers, bandwidth then you should have sent the rights holders the extra, i don’t do this for money, i do it for the thrill and knowing that we are sending a message to the man that your prices are to high and your business plan is way outdated,

ever time i see a star showing his or her butt in different location beach or buy multi million dollar houses or cars, have people walking around just to cuss out when they are mad then i smile and say not off my money you aren’t but don’t get me wrong they should be paid and paid well but not over kill and i feel the same way about these sports players and i don’t support or watch them either.

time to change now what you can control and adjust to new business plan because if you don’t you will pay a higher price later, haven’t you learned from history, one day the pep people will get into power or get together and then it will be to late.

Rekrul

Gee, I’ll sure sleep easier knowing that my tax dollars are being used to protect the profits of multi-billion dollar businesses. I feel so proud that the entire weight of the federal government is being brought down on a young woman and her friends…

Predator

Dear Fellow citizen,

It is one of these time again when we have to dismiss our government who has become abusive no longer representing the people.

Gufsfsest

It so ironic how our government was found under oppression from those in power, but now were turn into them, holding the knife to the citizen throat!

I bet our founding father under their grave would be so angry and mad and despite what happen to this country!

Anon

Grand jury indictment just for operating a non-profit site who he just linking?

Give me a fucking break!

This convinces me that this government is no longer at the service of it’s citizen and has become unjust and abusive.

This is so far fetched that there is only one possible response to this parody of justice. Obviously going to court and expecting justice from this corrupted government is not going to do it.

http://twitter.com/K1rkpad Dylan Kirkpatrick

Looking at something something like TvShack, that website hosts popular “searches”, but not popular “views”. This means that the site is generated by the user and not the owner. I thought that from the isoHUNT case we know that when they start “suggesting” new releases and popular downloads then they are pretty much encouraging copyright infringement.

I don’t really know the exact details as I didn’t use this site. Please answer me a question or two Were they too cocky to post a disclaimer like this:

“This website does not host any of the videos mentioned on this website. This site only points out to various links on the Internet that already exist. If there is any clarifications to be made or if you find any contents in this site which you think can be offensive, Please contact the site owner and the content will be removed or modified accordingly.”

Did this website list brand new releases with encouragement to download them? And accept donations? And run ads? Yeah, they were infringing about as much as isoHunt before they went “Lite”. If the NinjaVideo guys just had a search box and links to infringing websites like MegaVideo AND went under a DMCA agent this would not be happening. Or is that exactly what they did? I don’t know.

/Offhand morning rant of (likely) incorrectness.

Blah

this bitch crying over what? she made money off the this site. she knew very well what she was doing, and everyone else involved within that little circle. So why should anyone feel sorry for this bitch?

GUEST

YOU SAID THAT ALREADY UNDER ANOTHER NAME!

TROLL ALERT: THE SAME CORPORATE GUY AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN.
- Guest is an idiot
  
  We really need to flag this guy. It’s annoying and ads nothing to the discussion.
- Guest
  
  lol I bet you think you are the only person living in this world. Time to step out of your closet eh?
GUEST

YOU SAID THAT ALREADY UNDER ANOTHER NAME!

TROLL ALERT: THE SAME CORPORATE GUY AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN.

Rabbithead202

The US Government seems to be moving forward with two different initiatives to stop piracy. 1) First seize anything that is “for profit”, whether they get money from charging $25.00 for special access to “higher” levels within the site where you therefore then have more choices of TV and Movies to choose from, and 2) Move forward with working with ISPs and start a program where ISPs are forced to sign agreements where they will cooperate with the government and notify downloaders that what they are doing is wrong and that they will get 6 warning before they are completely cut off.

All of the both moves above are what they are doing in the USA. Unfortunately I believe the USA will stop piracy completely one day with these two initiatives under “Operation In Our Sites”….NinjaVideo is becoming an EXAMPLE (someone had to be the example) as well as Richard O’Dwyer

http://www.newser.com/story/121290/uk-student-faces-extradition-to-us-over-piracy-site.html

and Brian McCarthy is being an example as well.

http://www.itproportal.com/2011/03/04/owner-illegal-tv-streaming-website-arrested-us/

If I owned a streaming website that was generating cash via either donations to access or via charging for advertising, then I WOULD BE SHITTING IN MY PANTS!!!

I’m a downloader myself so you know where I stand but I’m going to have to start using a VPN because of the new US law about to take affect:

http://proftevans.wordpress.com/2011/07/18/isps-the-6-strikes-rule-what-it-means-for-you/

Question:
Out of the 100 Sites taken down via Operation in Our Sites, I wonder where they are at with getting extradition of the operators/owners who are responsible since most of the sites are outside of the US of A????

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

In essence, this is just like the copyright trolling cases, only on a criminal level. I doubt highly that the judge is going to look at this and say that the 5 need jail time. But this is unprecedented territory. It may have been a far better thing for the MPAA and co to keep this as a civil matter instead of a criminal matter.
- Trespass
  
  Unfortunately, Jay, any positive ruling for the 5 would probably be overturned on appeal by a “properly compensated judge”, which we know exist in the judicial system from other TF articles. You are right though, this is uncharted territory. Should be interesting…

Gibizil

It funny how a big heap of s.h.i.t makes people humble was not long ago she was upsetting people with her attitude and general air of im better than you google (Phara) she got a hate club as well as a fan club. You made a lot of money now its time to pay the price, don’t pick up the soap!

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

And again… Where is all of this money she collected, that the government says was amassed “illegally?”

Was it donations?
Was it for updated servers?

What was it from, and why is it that so many people are saying she’s guilty before seeing any evidence?

Did someone see an affidavit of their proceeds? Did someone have access to their bank accounts?

Did someone figure out how she’s liable for criminal copyright infringement as well as conspiracy in front of a grand jury?

Look beyond the person for one second and answer this question:

If you were liable for not even knowing what you’ve done wrong, with no warnings, how can *anyone* call this justice?
- Bob
  
  “If you were liable for not even knowing what you’ve done wrong, with no warnings, how can *anyone* call this justice?”
  
  Ignorance of the law isnt an excuse. If I go out and kill a guy, and in court say “Oh, I didn’t know that was illegal” I’d still be going to jail.
  - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay
    
    Bob, you know damn well murder is far different from copyright infringement. Equating the two as you seem to want to do is nothing but ignorance on your part.
  - Ven
    
    @Jay
    
    Embezzlement, theft, counterfeiting, sexual harassment, etc etc.
    
    All laws work that same way: ignorance is not a defense unless it is reasonable to assume that the defendant was not aware of the crime being committed.
  - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay
    
    @Ven
    
    Please… Stop… Those crimes are about taking advantage of someone and in no way equate to filesharing/copyright infringement.
    
    Embezzlement is about taking advantage of someone’s ignorance and trust for your own gain. Madoff was a master of that.
    
    Theft is taking something of value, such as jewels or diamonds. There’s no way you can “take” a stream of a movie and suddenly deprive a value on that stream. It makes no sense, especially with the recent look into copyright and theft on this site.
    
    Sexual harassment cases are usually elevated after a certain pattern forms but by no chance is anyone left ignorant of the details in most cases.
    
    And as I have mentioned, there is no evidence that they were asked to adhere to any rules prior to the takedown and raid. So unless you all have an affidavit, and a clear idea of how Operation In Our Sites worked on Jun 30 of 2010, it’s very difficult to believe that this supposed “ignorance” is on the part of those accused.
  - Ven
    
    @Jay
    
    Two things Jay:
    
    “There’s no way you can “take” a stream of a movie and suddenly deprive a value on that stream. ”
    
    You can either see distribution rights of IP as legitimate or not, and whichever way you choose is fine. However, the U.S. legal system currently stands behind the idea that a stream can be protected and offered with different user rights (rights that are considered to have value). As long as the law is interpreted this way, it is quite similar in interpretation to embezzling, theft, harassment, and so on.
    
    Second, pleading ignorance does not affect the ruling: the judge still has to find the defendant guilty in a criminal case. It can however affect the sentencing, depending upon what kind of history has been presented regarding the defendant’s knowledge of everything. In this case, all it takes is for the prosecutor to show a single shred of evidence that the admin knew that a copyright holder had gotten content removed and the judge will ask her why she didn’t further consider those rights holders.
    
    She probably has a better chance with her “grassroots” movement and mass-mailing the judge support letters.
  - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay
    
    Ven, the entire point of this exercise is disputing Bob’s “ignorance of the law is no excuse” which seems to be a go-to answer that explains nothing.
    
    The one thing I’ve criticized Bob about is how he is equating the taking of a life to copyright infringement. That’s truly bad logic since copyright infringement deprives the author of nothing while murder deprives a person of life.
    
    Equating the protection of a stream when the Justice Department has been stalling, when they have yet to answer procedural questions, and when one of the defendents is in another *country*, having to answer a criminal charge is beyond ludicrous.
    
    The last paragraph of that article is the most telling:
    
    They don’t feel they did anything wrong, and yet were blindly punished by the US government, declared as criminals with no clear recourse — and when they sought out information or details, have been met with the bureaucratic equivalent of a brick wall. We can all disagree over whether or not these domain seizures are legal or productive, but I would hope we can all agree that those who have had their domains seized should at least have a clear path to protest their innocence if they believe that they did not commit the crime Homeland Security, the Justice Department and a magistrate judge already declared them guilty of committing.
    
    Unless you can tell me why it took a year and a half to have charges filed without notification, why there’s no affidavit for the domain seizure, why NV has had no adversarial hearing, and why they found out the same as everyone else through a federal indictment why they’re guilty before they’re innocent, it’s quite hard to say that they have had a fair chance to redress their government.
- Bob
  
  @Jay, pick any crime, apply my hypothetical quotes, and you get the exact same outcome. Ignorance of the law is no excuse for not following it.
  - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay
    
    You’re really pushing for this?
    
    Ok… Then by that same token open carry is perfectly legal. How can Philadelphia police officers threaten to shoot him when they don’t know the law?
    
    How about Phil Datz for filming?
    
    How about the grandma for buying two cases of cold medicine?
    
    Ignorance of the law is no excuse? And the law isn’t vague in the slightest?
    
    What a joke…
  - Bob
    
    Mark Fiorino -> Knew the law, obeyed it, is currently preparing a lawsuit against the police who threatened him, and will most likely come out if it rather wealthy as a result.
    
    Sally Harpold -> Broke the law. That law is in place to guard against methamphetamine manufacture, and is easily avoided by not purchasing a completely unreasonable amount of a specific medication. If you feel you need 2 cases of cough medicine, you need a doctor.
    
    Phil Datz -> Did not break the law, and was wrongly arrested.
    
    Phara -> Broke an EXTREMELY well known law. Was WELL aware of doing so. Had an gross income of a half million as a result, and and you are claiming ignorance of the law somehow effects this?
    
    Do you see how NONE of your three examples even begin to compare to this case? Do you honestly, in your heart of hearts, believe that there is a single individual in the developed world that doesnt know that when someone else creates something, you need their permission to profit from it?
    
    C’mon dude. The joke here sure as hell isnt the well know legal precident that ignorance is no excuse.
  - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay
    
    Please cite the source of Phara’s income. I’ve read the indictment and no sources were given for the $500,000.
    
    Also, you’re the one that clearly stated “Ignorance of the law is no excuse for not following it”.
    
    In all three examples, I posted how the police officers were ignorant of the law and the effects of that ignorance.
    
    Following every last law to the letter is beyond impossible. So saying that something is amiss here, when you have *NOTHING* to show it is hurting your argument.
  - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay
    
    Please cite the source of Phara’s income. I’ve read the indictment and no sources were given for the $500,000.
    
    Also, you’re the one that clearly stated “Ignorance of the law is no excuse for not following it”.
    
    In all three examples, I posted how the police officers were ignorant of the law and the effects of that ignorance.
    
    Following every last law to the letter is beyond impossible. So saying that something is amiss here, when you have *NOTHING* to show it is hurting your argument.
- Bob
  
  @Jay: Man you and the point are in different area codes right now arent they? If you insist however,
  
  http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/ninjavideo.net shows an average monthly percentage of global pageviews per month at NinjaVideos height, taking Alexas global pageview count at ~2,500,000,000,000 per month, and getting the average percentage of 0.0035 we arrive at 87,500,000 page views per month. Not too far outside a reasonable margin of errort for a site in the top 1000 online. Multiplying that by the maximum number of ads google allows per page, 3, which is a modest estimate of how many ads the site served if memory serves, we get 262,500,000 ads server per month. Now lets apply an exceptionally pure eCPM of 0.01c, we get 2,625,000 per month. Taking into account that there may have been less ads for or even known for signed in or “premium” members, taking into account that adblocks are well used tools in the pirate community, and taking into account that the site was as big as it was for a good 6 months plus, I think assuming an income of about a half million would be an EXTREMELY modest estimate.
  
  As for your examples of cops in abuse of their rights, I would be JUST as forthright in my opinion that a broken law is a broken law, where those to be the point of this conversation.
  
  And as for your last point, are you really trying to say that copyright law falls into the category of being obscure enough that one could say “Well I can’t be expected to follow every single law in existence to the letter”?
  - Bob
    
    Small type “an exceptionally pure eCPM of 0.01c” should have read “an exceptionally poor eCPM of 0.01c,”
  - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay
    
    Bob, what the hell are you going on about? You’ve moved the goalposts yet again and your logic is beyond the simple flaw of trying to prove “ignorance of the law is no excuse from it”. First, As I’ve just proven with my three examples, the police are prone to hide behind that saying. That’s what I’ve shown, that they have no reason to take away someone’s rights based on their own ignorance. So no, you can not use that against these admins.
    
    Second, your mathematical analogy is skewed and incorrect based on everything the pdf is saying. At most, from what I’m seeing, they made the grand total of $50 from the site for a payment. Now, there are 18 counts of payments in the pdf. $50 x 18 = $400. And I’m leaving out the part where they don’t even tell the payments to each member, nor where the money comes from. So that leaves a ton of money unaccounted for. My guess is that they took ALL the money the people had, from their jobs and savings and said it was “drug money”, or illicit profits.
    
    It’s the same thing that the government has done in seizing poker sites. Link
    
    Adsense, does not pay unless someone clicked on it. Even given all of those numbers, a rate of 1% is pretty high since most people ignore those ads.
    
    Final thing, I’ve explained the “ignorance is no excuse law” by using its reversal. But criminal copyright infringement has a much higher standard to prove than civil so we’ll see what happens. As I see it, it’s a twist on the law and beyond a stretch to try to convict these 5 with very weak claims.
    
    Looking at the Attorney General, he already has a vested interest in this case in the fact that he is associated with the BSA, who make debunked piracy reports every year.
    
    So I don’t know where the $500K figure is coming from, and neither do you. Do me a favor, find a REAL source for that instead of the woefully awful assumption. Then I’ll believe you.
- Bob
  
  I’m afraid you’ve just lost all credibility Jay. To pretend that you don’t understand “what they hell I’m going on about” and to assert that I am “moving the goal post” when I make perfectly plain and simply responses to your point is just plain strawman.
  
  You loose credit further with this sentence “Adsense does not pay unless the user clicks on the ads”. Google Ad Impressions and eCPM, and learn a little about how the internet works, because were that the case, not a single site online would make enough for their admins to work on them fulltime, which I can tell you, yours truly included, that that is not the case.. Google, along with every other ad network on the planet pays per thousand impressions, my math of the sites traffic per month is flawless, and I even mentioned various ways in which the sites income could be lowered and still be reasonably assumed to be over a half million.
  - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay
    
    You lose credibility for not reading the indictment. The money they received for payments is very small compared to what you’re assuming.
- Dirtyknacker
  
  If all you can reply with is further straw-man, then I think we’re done here. Breaking the law is breaking the law, welcome to the real world.
  - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay
    
    And that’s why it’s contested and the 5 are innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Welcome to the real world, good sir.

Vanchui

She have noze of Jew stealing and making moneys is their favorite.

YoureAMajorWanker

That is a racist comment. Consider yourself flagged.
- Gah
  
  Don’t remove that comment, leave it here so everyone can see how racist the MPAA and their shills are.

Jaz

I think it’s wrong to sell movies, but if you link to them and profit from only the ads, I don’t believe anything is wrong with that. It’s just the must-needed money to keep your site up and running, any extra money is just a pat on the back for doing hard work. If you are against this (you’re a copyright troll) then I’d like to point out, copyright trolls do the same thing, they profit from sueing people for piracy = profiting from piracy as well. :facepalm:

Jaz

But that doesn’t excuse her for having a horrid attitude towards lawsuits before she had this big wake up call. She should have respected DMCA notices – if they don’t want links on her site – take them down. So then she would atleast have something to defend herself with.
- Insightful
  
  A hundred million file sharers…
  A potential hundred million USA hating cyber ‘terrorists’…
  Think about it ICE.
  America made terrorists by invasion, now it makes more by fascist acts of censorship.
  At least it’s a choice. Apparently we are not allowed one.
  The face of the truest, most corrupt, most fascist nation on earth is revealed at last, me thinks.
  - Anonymous
    
    Oh there are way more fascist things in the USA:
    - It’s illegal to discriminate against soldiers. If you think they are Nazis who bring death to innocent civilians, you must respect them anyway or face charges.
    - The government can introduce secret evidence in court – not even the judge can see the evidence, basically the CIA tells the judge “we have proof of this, believe us!” and the judge must believe.
    - Gitmo, people being tortured, etc.
    - Celebrating the war in Iraq officially, even when this war killed a hundred thousand civilians.
    And many more.
    
    Copyright law is the least fascist thing over there.
  - Anonymous
    
    Oh there are way more fascist things in the USA:
    - It’s illegal to discriminate against soldiers. If you think they are Nazis who bring death to innocent civilians, you must respect them anyway or face charges.
    - The government can introduce secret evidence in court – not even the judge can see the evidence, basically the CIA tells the judge “we have proof of this, believe us!” and the judge must believe.
    - Gitmo, people being tortured, etc.
    - Celebrating the war in Iraq officially, even when this war killed a hundred thousand civilians.
    And many more.
    
    Copyright law is the least fascist thing over there.
- http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay
  
  She should have respected DMCA notices – if they don’t want links on her site – take them down.
  
  How? The site (as I’m aware of it) had nothing but links to the streaming material. It’s the same as the Puerto 80 case where the domain was taken down without any say from the domain holder.
  
  The government is in the wrong here, and has been stalling for time. No one has had any questions answered nor been able to challenge the domain seizures in court. And all of this stems from the government becoming the private police force of Hollywood for sites they don’t like.
  
  How do you challenge a collusive power such as that? How do you challenge the merging of private interests into federal law to criminalize what has been legal for a long time until recently? Where are the warnings about this, instead of full on raids and domain seizures since these are unprecedented from the ICE, aka the copyright cops?
  - Sense
    
    You guys need to make up your mind. Some of you are saying, the site eats up thousands of TBs of bandwidth a month because it hosts all its videos and therefore need the money to pay for servers. In that case, you would most definitely be liable for not respecting DMCA notices.
    
    On the other hand, some like you are claiming that the site was merely linking to content in which case there is absolutely no way that she could have needed all that money to pay for servers irrespective of how much traffic that site got.
    
    Seriously, you cant have your cake and eat it too. She showed the middle finger to rights holders when it suited her and now that the federal government is rightfully bringing down the hammer on her, she is playing the victim card and ya all are conveniently buying the sob story. You can only evade the law for so long before it catches up with you.
    
    Mind you this is nothing new, everyone has problems with the government when it clashes against their interests but that doesn’t mean the government is in the wrong. Just know that this site and its supporters are not the voice of an entire country or planet. When the government supports you, it becomes you friend but when the government supports the rights holders, it becomes your enemy but the fact is those rights holders are normal people like you and me who work for a living. That’s how flaky your argument is.
    
    About the domain seizures, you are wrong again. If you think your domain was seized wrongfully, you have every right to challenge it. The fact nobody challenged it is not the government’s faults. it only shows that those domain owners knew what they were doing was wrong.
  - Jaz
    
    Yes, I don’t believe in following DMCA notices, I don’t respect DMCA on my own website. Yet if she did, she’d have something to back her up. As she ignored DMCA and made a small profit from it, they will burn her alive.
  - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay
    
    @Sense
    She showed the middle finger to rights holders when it suited her and now that the federal government is rightfully bringing down the hammer on her, she is playing the victim card and ya all are conveniently buying the sob story. You can only evade the law for so long before it catches up with you.
    
    That’s just it, the law is so twistedly garbled as to become a new set of rules that are irrespective of anything.
    
    It’s like saying that somehow, she profited from piracy, when the ad payments are $5. They have donations, which people voluntarily give money away, but that means the MPAA is losing money based on people wanting to give NV money. It’s the ultimate in Troll logic here.
    
    If she’s supposed to show DMCA notices, where are they?
    
    If they have a deal with Hollywood, where is Hollywood approaching them with it?
    
    Just know that this site and its supporters are not the voice of an entire country or planet. When the government supports you, it becomes you friend but when the government supports the rights holders, it becomes your enemy but the fact is those rights holders are normal people like you and me who work for a living.
    
    After seeing the support that the government gives Brazil, Sweden, the UK, China, Japan, and the rest of the world through such unneeded acts like the ACTA, Protect IP, 3 strikes legislation, and fighting against cheaper importation of drugs from Canada or Brazil, sorry, but I like thinking for myself instead of some larger corporation, thank you.
    
    . If you think your domain was seized wrongfully, you have every right to challenge it. The fact nobody challenged it is not the government’s faults. it only shows that those domain owners knew what they were doing was wrong.
    
    You’re wrong. I’ve been following this closely for the last year *since* this first takedown. There was no way to redress the government for their takedown. There was NO adversarial hearing. There was NO way to challenge takedowns except to sue. I know hindsight is 20/20 in most cases, but your “sense” of this issue is beyond flawed.
  - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay
    
    Also, Jaz, from what I’ve heard, they respected DMCA requests.

Plastic

I’d bet money that they made that “seized” image using a pirated version of photoshop.

Erthwjim

Actually I know someone that came from NV and from what I gather Phara was a bitch and did squander the money on frivolous things. At the beginning they were ok, but eventually they started alienating members and becoming elitists. They stopped taking care of the site so much as there were tons of dead links. Now does Phara deserve to be sued? No, she doesn’t deserve to be a martyr no matter how bad of a person she may or may not have been. You let one person get taken to court, even if you think they may have deserved it due to their attitude, and then that court case can be used as an example when other people were sued. In the federal government vs Phara it was proven that blah blah. Now if she wins the case, that will prove an advantage to others in the future, if she loses, then it becomes a boon.

And insightful, America is far from fascist. I’ve been to various countries throughout the world and the amount of corruption and fascism we have is mild compared to others. Get off your anti-american high horse and come back down to earth. The US is not as bad as people think. Yes the US has it’s problems, but it’s far from the worse.

SighLookWhatYouDid

@ Fail, JSmith, Reality smacks, etc.

I hold all of you personally responsible for the fact that there is now one guy on here posting a gillion times under various usernames calling people trolls and saying the “they’re all gonna die” thing or variations thereof. You gave the troll power by b*tching about being called trolls. You gave him (or her) power. Congratulations. This is exactly what we try and avoid. Stupidity on a massive level.

I love how people say “well I can just ignore so and so” without realizing that by saying “I can do this or that” they are doing the exact opposite of ignoring someone. It’s acknowledging them. Better to pretend you don’t see the comment at all. And not mention it. Or not call people children or clowns. Why? Because the moment you do, you’re only giving them more incentive to keep doing what they are. If you call me a child, I’m going to act like a child (despite the fact that I’m an adult). Why? Just to f*ck with you even more, and excuse it by saying “you called me a child, so I might as well act like one”.

Sigh. I don’t know why I bother sometimes. DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS. If you aren’t one, prove it. Don’t act like one by doing what some of you do. If you know there are obvious ones, ignore them. If someone is consistently and undeniably being an idiot however, to the point of irritating everyone, then and only then can I understand everyone lashing out at said troll/idiot. Of which, there are a handful here. (NOTE: I did not mention names, or say what side of the arguments they may be on. Just saying there are a handful. If you name them, you give them power and we’ll never be rid of them. Not that we will even if we don’t name them. Trolls stick around til they find somewhere else to go.)

SighLookWhatYouDid

@ Fail, JSmith, Reality smacks, etc.

I hold all of you personally responsible for the fact that there is now one guy on here posting a gillion times under various usernames calling people trolls and saying the “they’re all gonna die” thing or variations thereof. You gave the troll power by b*tching about being called trolls. You gave him (or her) power. Congratulations. This is exactly what we try and avoid. Stupidity on a massive level.

I love how people say “well I can just ignore so and so” without realizing that by saying “I can do this or that” they are doing the exact opposite of ignoring someone. It’s acknowledging them. Better to pretend you don’t see the comment at all. And not mention it. Or not call people children or clowns. Why? Because the moment you do, you’re only giving them more incentive to keep doing what they are. If you call me a child, I’m going to act like a child (despite the fact that I’m an adult). Why? Just to f*ck with you even more, and excuse it by saying “you called me a child, so I might as well act like one”.

Sigh. I don’t know why I bother sometimes. DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS. If you aren’t one, prove it. Don’t act like one by doing what some of you do. If you know there are obvious ones, ignore them. If someone is consistently and undeniably being an idiot however, to the point of irritating everyone, then and only then can I understand everyone lashing out at said troll/idiot. Of which, there are a handful here. (NOTE: I did not mention names, or say what side of the arguments they may be on. Just saying there are a handful. If you name them, you give them power and we’ll never be rid of them. Not that we will even if we don’t name them. Trolls stick around til they find somewhere else to go.)

Null

There is only one troll.
- SighLookWhatYouDid
  
  On this article, yes. On this site, no. There’s a handful. I’d estimate it at no more than 5, but of course some users use the same usernames as a few of the trolls, so it may be more or less at any given moment (if not entirely separate people entirely, but comment histories can usually prove or disprove situations like that). 1 for sure. 2 who engage in troll-like activity (whether they are or are not trolls is debatable). And 2 others who seem to appear randomly when someone calls out the 2 who engage in troll-like activity.
- Jmorse43508
  
  actually, there are 4 or 5 repeat trolls who regularly come here to spew MAFIAA rhetoric and lies. Jack Murdock, Anon (one of them, there are others posting under this name who are clearly not trolls), PirateScum and Lakawak just to name a few.
  
  And as always is the case with these serial trolls, they have nothing of value to add to the discussion and serve only to try and disrupt it.
  
  But users here are equally guilty of feeding them (I’ll admit I’ve done so a few times), and this encourages them to continue their trolling.

Anonymous

Glad the site is offline, but feel for the owners.
The site and it’s uploaders were shit, they all had some kind of uptight attitude type of message in every upload, and the calling of some shows being shit and what not.

GUEST

STOP TROLLING! EVERYONE KNOW YOUR OPINIONS ARE FAKE AND THAT YOU ARE PAID BY THE MPAA! STOP WASTING YOUR TIME YOU ARE FOOLING NOBODY!

BY THE WAY HOLLYWOOD WILL BURN AGAIN TO THE GROUND THIS TIME.
- Anonymous
  
  Can’t tell if troll or just stupid…
  Have you even been to their warez site?
  I was saying I feel sorry for the owners, but there was no level of professionalism from the uploaders, always making cocky/smug comments on every release.
  And they were hosting movies/tv on their own servers, how stupid can one be, it was a matter of time when they got caught, not if.
  - Bob
    
    Let me help you out, its “just stupid”.
  - Tom_tje3000
    
    I read on some blog that they were actually using a Java applet which logged into a paid Megaupload account and were basically streaming films which were uploaded directly from it
  - Nebulous Rekaburb
    
    I have to admit though, a site called Ninjavideo gets busted and some busted faced chick goes online to cry about it. Not very ninjalike. Not to be a dick but …
- Anonymous
  
  @Tom_tje3000, Not possible, when I checked the IP’s of the servers the video was comming from there were several datacenters, some from leaseweb, ovh, theplanet, carrat. Lost the IP list though.
  The applet was just to serve as a local proxy to attempt to hide their server’s IP, which doesn’t work if you use wireshark.

jack.ss

From Urban dictionary, most popular answer:
1. Phara 1355 up, 187 down

The high and mighty Queen of Ninja Video. Phara is quite possibly the most arrogant, narcissistic, hateful, immature, petty, repulsive (her personality and physical appearance) twenty-something on the internet. This person literally believes she is God. Her website Ninja Video lost its status as the best streaming video site on the web a long time ago, so the site now only acts as a forum for thousands of sycophantic idiots who have no lives to lick the shit out of Phara’s ass round the clock. If you have anything to say on the forum OTHER than “OMFG I LOVE PHARA I WANT TO SEXES HER” you will be banned. Literally, BANNED. Nobody who has a real life or does anything in the real world would give two shits about Phara. Ninja Video used to be a site for videos, and a damn good one at that. No more. Stay away from ninjavideo.net unless you enjoy being abused by random people for no reason, and then banned. Phara doesn’t even know you and she already thinks you’re “leecher scum” so “FUCKING DONATE ALREADY!!!!”

LMAO

Go fuck yourself, bitch.
Phara: “Oh wadswerth, I need the shit licked out of my ass…”

wadswerth: “COMING MY WORSHIPFUL QUEEN!! Slurp, slurp…”
——————————————————————————————————————-
I hope I don’t get Phara´d for posting this here on TF…

(Phara 448 up, 42 down

To be banned from a forum for no particular good reason.
You have been “Phara’d”.

And

Phara 327 up, 27 down

To crush all opinion and expression on a forum that is not sycophantic and in total agreement with the forum owner.
I tried to post but got totally phara’d.)

GUEST

MPAA PAID TROLL ALERT! IGNORE POSTING!
- Jmorse43508
  
  You know, you’re really getting annoying with this “CORPORATE TROLL”-calling BS.
  
  Like the few real trolls here, your comments are devoid of any content and do not contribute to the discussion, only serving to disrupt it.
  
  Others here and elsewhere have called out Phara for her arrogant and elitist attitude towards people on her site; the fact that you seem to be defending her could only mean that you are probably one of her sycophants, Wadsworth, perhaps?
  
  I am strongly tempted to go and flag every single one of your comments.
  - http://goo.gl/bFts Needlez
    
    I already did for you. Lol. Prolly won’t make a difference, but oh well gave me something to do while in my spare time.

GsxrJason

What kind of Time do you think these guys could be looking at?
say worst case scenario?

Guest

Are you talking about the CEO of Sony?

I would say life in prison without the possibility of parole.

And of course the corporation will be killed and all it’s assets seized.

DannyJ

http://www.ice.gov/doclib/news/releases/2011/110909washingtondc2.pdf

Anon

Did you read that Grand Jury report? Whoa. Great news. They are gonna f*ck her so far up her ass she dies of a sore throat.
- Bam
  
  That is a rather inappropriate comment. Flagged. And no, not flagged cause you’re a troll. Flagged for the a$$ raping bit. There’s nothing wrong with saying “ha she’s gonna get what she deserves” but you’re taking it too far. I hope you get f*cked up the ass shill.
- http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay
  
  Hey Anon, read the last part of the ICE page.
  
  Wait, I’ll do you one better.
  
  Criminal indictments are only charges and are not evidence of guilt. A defendant is presumed to be innocent unless and until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law.
  - Anon
    
    Sure Jay, that’s right so you hold your breath on this one while the rest of us chalk this up and move on to the next one. Let’s see who steps up next for “freedom of speech” on their “property is theft” principles….. and becomes the next Phara.
  - Bam
    
    @ Anon
    
    He didn’t say he’s holding his breath on this one. He merely pointed out that being charged DOES NOT equal being guilty. And that people are innocent until proven guilty beyond all reasonable doubt.
    
    You can’t chalk up anything because there’s nothing to chalk up. Beyond “she was indicted”. That’s not a victory for you at all. Unless you’re really an idiot and have no knowledge of the law, which seems to apply to you, and then you might chalk it up as whatever.
    
    And what next one? It’s not like there’s charges brought up on a daily basis. You’ll be waiting awhile for the next one. Poor sad Anon. Trolling should be an art. What you do is an embarrassment to proper trolls everywhere. You do them a great disservice.

Guest

“It is the intent of the United States to seek forfeiture of any properties of the defendants upto $505,000.00 in United States Currency.”

Total money grab.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

So statutory damages aren’t excessive under the 8th Amendment?
Guest

The United States, it is us the people and not a fucking undemocratic Obanana nor some entertainment industry paid for Joe bit me.

It is definitively not some Fucked Bureau of Investigation nor some Incompetent Criminal Establishment not elected and illegitimate.

Our intent is definitively not to seek any forfeiture to whatever little money the innocent Fara possess.

Our Intend is to exterminate all these foreign corporations of parasites and to prosecute all the traitors working for them.

http://goo.gl/bFts Needlez

ok, at all you dumbass people who keep pointing out TROLL! REALLY?? Do I need to read it every other fucking line?? NO! stop posting that shit, its getting tiresome. And for any of you people who call me a troll go look and see who I am. I think you’ll be a bit surprised at whom you might be pissing off. Second to TROLLS on this site please stop spouting random utter-less BULLSHIT! If you think running a site with decient bandwidth is cheap, I’d love to see you try. In fact go ahead and make a site, and get 100,000 people to go to it and tell me how much money you rake in after paying for people to fix the equipment, pay the bandwidth, pay the security teams, pay your staff, and pay for any other expenses your site might have. Because when me and my friend ran his site, and it wasn’t even a torrent site, it made a little over a hundred a week from google advertising. Now, our site wasn’t huge, but when we got done paying all our expenses we made a little over $15 dollars. There were sometimes yes when we made a decient amount like $50 or 75, but those were just random circumstances, because we still don’t know how we managed that much 3 times, but in about a year we made a $300 profit, which in turn spent on better equipment and more ads. So like I said earlier if you can make a profit, its not much and even less when you divide that $300 between your staff. Luckily there were only 2 at that time, so we made $150 each. But later we took on 4 more people and when we got paid next year we each barely scrapped $50. So really do the math make a site, give me the name, and i’ll check into it. Then send me copies from the ad companies that paid you. And how much you were paid. Seriously, the only way a site makes money is if they have a thing to pay for subscription, which if you noticed most sites give away subscription for FREE! only ones like megaupload, rapidshare, hotfile, 4shared, and someothers like those charge for membership. And membership is only $15. Seriously?? who so get 10 people who pay for your thing make $150 profit, turn around and put it back in to keep your stuff in tip top shape. You still aren’t making much profit. And if you think your site can get 100,000 people let me know how much you pay for your bandwidth. Because our site got shutdown by us because it became to much of a hassle to pay for and run. Currently we are thinking of reopening it. http://www.iwir3d.com — prolly gonna be up under same name sometime this year or next, unless our head-boy decides that it’ll be a flop again. Site, is to crack md5 hashes, and release games like flash based, and possible download stuff like appstore does from apple phones. Not sure what’ll take to get back up, but it won’t be cheap.

Nebulous Rekaburb

TROLL ALERTz!! DO NOT FEED TROLLz.
THIS MAN IS TROLLz.
- http://goo.gl/bFts Needlez
  
  Really Nebulous Rekaburb? I’d love you to know how I’m a troll.Seriously take some time find out who I am then prove how I’m a troll. Just for your information I’m a 21 college student who sits at home, has no job currently cuz I go to school full time and at nite writes stuff on these blogs to point out to the trolls that theyre dumbfucks. Secondly if you ever looked at any of my previous posts you’d see that I’m the person usually blasting JackMurdock for is insane and stupid rants. Further more if you really think I’m a troll and just type what I am told to type by some corporation, I’ll let you know something, they couldn’t pay me enough to keep my damn mouth shut. So seriously if you think I’m a TROLL, you really either A: need to learn to read posts correctly, or B: learn the true defintion of what a TROLL is… thank you. And I can only go with that I’m sure some of the people that agree with me will point out who I am to you. Thank you.
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    TROLL ALERT! PLEASE IGNORE!
GUEST

TROLL ALERT! PLEASE IGNORE!

Phara-Questionnaire

Any one got any more info on Phara being the elitist b*tch she was? Hard to imagine when you check her sob story on Youtube

Tom_tje3000

http://ninjavideosucks.blogspot.com/2010/02/ninjavideo-virus-update.html
- Tom_tje3000
  
  http://ninjavideosucks.blogspot.com/2009/02/lost-citizen-debacle.html some interesting info on that blog
  - Brodoff
    
    Phara is a perfectly nice person and had a terrific site. Personally I believe that most of the hostility against her was incredibly sexist and generated by cybernerds who were terribly threatened by the success of a woman in a milieu that they considered their own. I had numerous contacts with her over the years and always found her to be a fair, generous, and honest person. But if she was approached with attitude, she gave it right back in spades. I was always astounded by the disgusting level of personal attacks that she had to put up with, including publishing of sexually abusive art using her name and likeness. I wish Phara and her friends luck with their legal problems and hope that she comes through it successfully.

Yoplaia

“This video has been removed at the request of the copyright holder. We’re sorry.”

I’m looking for an app or addon that can auto-send a ‘fuck you’ email to the copyright holder.

Nebulous Rekaburb

This why it’s best to just get your shit and flee. Don’t get all fucking sentimental and heroic over some fucking shared files. It’s just music for fucks sake, certainly not worth jail time. I mean, are *you* willing to go to jail or get a 200k fine…for fucking HURT LOCKER? I’m not.

Guest

“This why it’s best to just get your shit and flee.”

No.

We are not going to get our shit and flee. We are not French.

Instead we are going to get our big shit as you might call them and kill all these corporate parasites while they keep themselves busy persecuting the innocents.

This is not just about music and movies it is about our country for god sake and we have to defend it.

Coraline Dempsey

I love how some of you put her down when, YOU PROBABLY USED THE SITE!!!!!!! Just saying. Hate all you want, but when you wanted alleged fast, high quality streaming, you went to NV because it was pretty instantaneous and you didn’t have to download anything. And that Applet, I looked into it. The javascript coding protected not Ninja, but the people who DID dl from the links. But most just streamed.

Listen, you don’t know Hana Beshara. You’ve only heard stories about her. So let’s not think we all know who she really is. Seriously, if you were facing indictment, you’d be scared and crying too. I feel terrible for her. I wish I could help, but I have no money. :(

Brodoff

Phara is a perfectly nice person and had a terrific site. Personally I believe that most of the hostility against her was incredibly sexist and generated by cybernerds who were terribly threatened by the success of a woman in a milieu that they considered their own. I had numerous contacts with her over the years and always found her to be a fair, generous, and honest person. But if she was approached with attitude, she gave it right back in spades. I was always astounded by the disgusting level of personal attacks that she had to put up with, including publishing of sexually abusive art using her name and likeness. I wish Phara and her friends luck with their legal problems and hope that she comes through it successfully.

jj

Jack.ss description of Phara’s online persona is only too accurate – typical of a young arrogant power drunk bully experiencing first success – reality arrives – jail time to follow !

http://travismccrea.com Travis McCrea

It’s scary because I watch this video, and I know that I can be next at any moment. Of course, my sites are not that big yet… but the day will come. The difference is that I intend to defend myself, and rally the public support. Hana(l?) if you (or anyone else from your team), needs anything… shoot me an email (me-at-travismccrea.com).

We should live in a free society, where sharing our culture is a good thing.

http://readthescene.org LinuxTrance

Sad to see this happen to Ninja. Phara and the rest of the team are great people, they have their haters, but still….great people. Sorry to hear about this. I worked as a mod on Ninja a while back, and enjoyed my time there, and wish the community nothing but the best. Fight on

guestC

Damn sad day. I was a member of Ninja for about two years before they took it down.

I hope someone can answer my question as to why Ninja is illicit and ICEfilms isn’t?

Much love to everyone on the scene.

http://www.facebook.com/doctorwhonut Jennifer Ayn Emery

“Sharing is Caring”.
What a meaningless phrase in face of what I have just read in this thread.
You insult one another, using racist, insulting, anti-social language which does nothing but distract from the intelligent, thoughtful discourse that should be encouraged.
You all revel in insulting me, an American, calling anything we say, “stupid”.
The very fact that you cannot even function within your own community and discuss these important issues without blatantly showing yourself to be insulting, low-class, foul-mouthed children does not bode well for any movement really surviving to address the issue of file-sharing.
One does not represent valid issues of injustice by calling women the c-word, or insulting an entire country, with great people in it, by the way, along with jerks, just like your country (you would be the representative example of jerk), or posting incorrect information, over and over, without even a second to verify it.
Those of you who jumped aboard the personal insults towards, “Americans” (all 320 million, I guess) come out sounding like whiny little girls with inferiority issues.
When you realize people are pretty much all the same all over, you don’t feel a need to even give a shit what color someone is, their race, their country.
We’re all fabulous, and we all suck. That’s the way it is.
If your country’s government hasn’t done it yet, it will. Try a little study of your own brutal history, Brits. We haven’t been around long enough to perpetrate the sheer volumes of evil your country has in it’s history, so try looking in the mirror.
I’m an Anglophile, don’t get me wrong, but let’s lay off the attacks on the US when you are from a country more, or just as guilty of having a government that screws shit up.
For the apologetic American-I guess another country might make you happier, you think, but there is always something that needs work, no matter where you go.
Constitution quoters are always the most fun-the analysis of that document has filled the lives of thousands of brilliant minds. It’s not ever as simple as cherry picking what you think supports what you are saying, and that’s that.
OK, I’ve had my say, and I’m sure you’ll call me a troll, or a corporate troll, or whatever, but as we try to support file-sharing, let’s not forget the fact is, it DOES cost money to produce what we take.
Make up whatever bullshit figures and lies you want to tell yourself, but making a movie, costs. When we can buy what we enjoy, we should.
Those who think they deserve to get everything free, and fuck everybody, are no more right then the Movie company assholes who want to put everybody in jail.
Peace
J

DocGerbil100

I’ve [Like]d your post, but it’s a very qualified [Like]: much of what you say has truth in it, but it’s something I can only agree on with strong reservations and qualifications.

First off, I know nothing about Phara herself, except that the criticism precedes her by a long, long way. I’ve never visited NinjaVideo, but even I’ve heard the complaints. Whether that’s due to very loud critics or very genuine issues, or both, I have no way of knowing.

On a more general level, on the one hand, I have to agree about much of the language here: I’ve never appreciated the racism, sexism, homophobia and general nastiness that often comes with an open, semi-anonymous forum like TorrentFreak. While I’ve largely given up on flagging most-such comments, I would prefer many of the obviously-deliberately-offensive ones to be removed, on the whole (including one or two of my own more-embarrassing drunken rants).

On the other hand, it’s an open, semi-anonymous forum. By definition, you’ll always get people abusing that – and I’d rather see that people on here have a clearly-visible right to free speech than see it over-moderated (either by the admins or by self-censoring users) into something universally inoffensive. The truth of any matter of any consequence – whichever viewpoint one cleaves to – is usually offensive to someone.

Such as your own comments about the UK, for example. Almost every country on Earth will have had its dark moments in history – including Britain, no question – but at this moment in time, it’s not the UK that’s using the threat of trade sanctions to force other countries into implementing harmful laws intended to overwhelmingly benefit US corporations at the expense of market competition and human rights.

Also, your apparent belief that only Brits are capable of posting offensively-worded posts is nothing short of bizarrely hypocritical: English is (for want of a better phrase) a lingua franca on much of the internet and while there is a strong British contingent on here, many of the more abusive diatribes are apparently by anons, who could be from almost anywhere in the world.

[slightly off-topic note: all non-Brits should be aware that in this country, the word "cunt" is used by many as a form of strong punctuation, in much the same way the term "mother-fucker" is used by many Americans]

“Make up whatever bullshit figures and lies you want to tell yourself” – this doesn’t seem to be either an articulate or an honest comment: as far as I’ve ever noticed, the figures most frequently quoted on TorrentFreak are those that come from the MPAA and RIAA themselves, who were far from shy about pulling essentially-fictitious “facts” on piracy from thin-air – and who’s agents didn’t hesitate to perjurously submit those “facts” to our own parliament under oath.

What’s more, of the relatively-few convincing, file-sharing-friendly studies seem to have been mostly written by pro-copyright academics and appear in most instances to derive heavily from information supplied by the MPAA and RIAA themselves and their working partners, such as retailers. None of these people and organisations appear to me to be trying to deceive the reader in a direction that favours file-sharing – or have anything obviously to gain from such a deception.

As for the amount that movies cost to make… quite frankly, fuck ‘em. I’m not going to get upset about hypothetical losses when the MPAA themselves have publically declared Hollywood’s combined profits to be at least $100,000,000,000 per annum, a figure which is higher than the GDPs for well over two-thirds of the individual countries on this planet, as listed by the IMF.

If they can’t evolve and survive with those resources, then they don’t deserve to.

http://www.facebook.com/doctorwhonut Jennifer Ayn Emery

Oh, and I don’t mind using my name-seems some of you aren’t quite as willing to stand behind your foul mouths and big-boy words, are you?
I don’t need to call you cowards, it speaks for itself.

http://www.facebook.com/doctorwhonut Jennifer Ayn Emery

I realized I didn’t target my comments clearly enough. For those of you who do not engage in what I described, and are in fact thoughtful in your discourse, please recognize these comments are not aimed at you.
Jen
- http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay
  
  Uhm… Just to point out, even if people use their real names, it doesn’t increase the intelligence level of the conversation held in this forum nor anywhere else. DocGerbil has a pretty good handle on this, but I just wanted to point out that criticizing people for language won’t go very far.
  
  Bravo for putting your name here, but remember, people are apt to use your name for various uses themselves. I just come here for the debates personally. It’s good to help sharpen your own wit by pointing out flaws in disingenuous arguments. Welcome to Torrentfreak, hope you enjoy your stay. :)
DocGerbil100

I don’t think cowardice has anything to do with keeping anonymity on TorrentFreak, for a number of reasons.

• Firstly, some measure of anonymity is a very wise defensive precaution on an open site like this one: no-one with any sense should want to risk being tracked down and prank-called endlessly by random anons looking for laughs.

• Further, speaking from a British perspective, being entirely innocent of any crime in the UK is no barrier to harrassment and abuse from organisations such as FACT: they are more than happy to lie through their teeth to our local police and courts in order to trigger home-destroying raids, arrests for non-existent criminal conspiracies and drawn-out legal proceedings lasting several years.

This has already happened a number of times here – and this is without even considering the latest wheeze of ICE using a post-9/11 anti-terrorist agreement to try and bypass our laws entirely and extradite one young man for something that’s already been established in the high court as legal in the UK.

According to the Media Piracy in Emerging Economies study, these tactics of using legal procedures as mechanisms of abuse in themselves are a normal strategy for anti-piracy groups throughout the world.

Given the amount of money behind them (with the resulting endless run of expensive appeals), coupled with their usual tactic of only attacking the easiest and poorest targets they can find, it’s highly unlikely that they’ll ever face justice for their often blatantly-illegal activities.

• Most seriously, anonymity is something to be valued and used as a simple matter of principle. Many governments – including the US government at the moment – seem all but determined to eradicate rights to privacy throughout the world.

Whether we’re discussing anti-terrorism laws in Europe, copyright in the USA or the suppression of political dissent in China, civil rights have always been inconvenient for governments. As opportunities to abridge or eradicate privacy rights do present themselves, there are many governments in the west – the USA included – that will almost certainly take them.

Unless you particularly want to risk effectively-unaccountable national and local government bureaucrats gaining a legal right to undetectably access the cams in your kids’ laptops and ‘phones to watch them getting undressed at night, you may want to ask yourself if you really think this is a good idea.

http://www.roflhouse.com Matt Chow

Good luck in trial..

Support

pheww, I’m going to have BBQ because today that stupid operates of ninja video are going to jail :) I’m So happy to See this Stinking Bitch cry :) i remember her being a complete idiot a old Q from her “we are gods, don’t mess with our Ninja ” pheww look at you now you trash cane :) suck my donnngg long time ! :)

i remember countless threats, and abusive language in those forums and that stupid cock sucker diabolic or whatever he calls him self nowadays that prick if i find him i will knock his lights out :) you hear you bitch i hope your ASS gets wide in jail ! from all those black cocks haha

its a good day to see enemies die !

Fortuzero

Icefilms.info etc etc…..

Sympathies to Phara et al, but like this makes any fucking difference to anyone…

Don’t the Feds/MAFFIAAA whoever they are ever get bored of pissing in the wind? What do you ever achieve other than getting wet and stinking of your own piss?

When Icefilms gets shut down, as it eventually will, there’s QSS, and tons of others. Then there will be more. Then there’s usenet. Then there’s private FTP servers. Then, failing all of that, there’s always good old burning DVDs, like in the old days, and popping them in the mail. You lot will NEVER win. What the people want, the people WILL get. If you don’t understand or believe this I suggest you read a little history.

Matahachi

Phara & Co. I hope you get what you deserve, scum that you are. I care nothing about your “sharing of video” principles, I do care about all the sites you abused via backdoors and minor hacks like archive.org. I called you out on your forums years ago and you tried to ban me because you couldn’t handle that someone had figured out what you were doing and exposed it publicly.

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