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“Poor” BitTorrent Copyright Troll Appeals For Cash To Fight Opponents

The Open Rights Group recently launched a fund-raising appeal to mount a legal challenge against a copyright troll aiming to target thousands with demands for cash settlement. Now the troll in question has responded to this call for public funding by asking like-minded troll supporters to fund a fight back. But with ‘hacktivists’ already waiting in the wings, is it really worth getting involved?

As reported last week, the Open Rights Group has launched an appeal in the hope of achieving a legal ruling that would stop an avalanche of so-called copyright troll lawsuits in the UK.

ORG have applied to intervene in an appeal mounted by Golden Eye International, a company linked to the Ben Dover porn brand and one that’s intent on re-introducing the so-called “pay-up-or-else” model back into the UK.

In summary, Golden Eye were told by the High Court that they could chase down alleged infringers of their own content but were not allowed to start representing other rightsholders who want to do the same – they would have to do their own work and incur their own costs.

And this is what this is about – money. If Golden Eye only have to go to court once in order to obtain court orders in respect of infringements of their own content and that of other companies, there is much more cash to go round. It’s worth noting that Golden Eye are keeping 75% of each settlement so that pie needs to be as big as possible.

ORG asked for £5,000 in donations to fight Golden Eye but not wishing to be outdone (or beaten in court), Golden Eye are now asking for contributions too.

“The perception of pornographers outside the industry may well be filthy rich; however as anyone with an ability for rational thinking will appreciate any business who’s [sic] core product has been decimated by piracy is experiencing a massive downturn in turnover and profitability,” Golden Eye chief Julian Becker informs Xbiz.

“[Open Rights Group] are appealing for funding for their court costs, which having checked our bank balance recently has given me the idea to do the same.”

Becker quite rightly makes the point that the case has huge implications and of course that has already been recognized, first by Consumer Focus who have brilliantly handled intervention so far, and now by ORG who have recently taken over.

But while ORG want to ensure, as a judge put in an earlier hearing, that “the intended Defendants’ privacy and data protection rights” don’t get sold “to the highest bidder”, Golden Eye want allies to turn their scheme into a significant money making venture.

“Therefore any financial support, however small, that can be given will help the cause massively. If you can’t give then supportive messages also are appreciated if not lost in the deluge of personal abuse and threats from the faceless keyboard warriors,” Becker concludes.

And those “warriors” do exist. In the United States copyright-trolls do have opponents, no doubt about that, but for some reason in the UK their actions are taken a whole lot more personally and tend to provoke more direct action.

TorrentFreak is aware that a hard core of opponents are researching everything about Julian Becker and his associates, from where they live, their connected business ventures and other private issues including, as one person showed us last week, that Becker currently has a Ferrari up for sale. Every element of their on-and-offline lives are under scrutiny, ready to be exploited whenever Golden Eye launch their campaign. More aggressive but unrelated campaigners have indicated that DDoS and hacking attacks are also on the agenda.

This kind of action is not new. ACS:Law were punished relentlessly by anti-troll groups and activists such as Anonymous, and it could conceivably happen again with Golden Eye.

However, although in some cases it has proven very effective, taking direction ‘hacktivist’ action is not without its risks. This week a court in the UK has been hearing a case against an alleged Anonymous ring-leader who participated in “Operation Payback” attacks against not only PayPal but the IFPI and BPI.

Student Christopher Weatherhead, 22, also allegedly launched attacks against Ministry of Sound and their lawfirm Gallant Macmillan after the companies tried to extract cash payments from alleged file-sharers.

A month later Ministry of Sound abandoned their file-sharing settlement project but clearly the events that led to that decision will have consequences for those involved.

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  • Guest

    let them go broke. i have no sympathy for copyright trolls.

    • thedude321

      Amen to that. I want them all in Hell. Why can’t you share software with friends and family? People need to make stuff that they can profit off of.

      • Guest

        What the heck are you talking about? A BitTorrent swarm is not your family or friends you know personally. There are a lot of strangers that are potential customers and you know what you are doing if you share copyrighted work with those potential customers.

        You are causing a lot of harm and they have therefore the right to stop you.

        By the way:
        “I want them all in Hell”

        Thank you for showing us how incompetent you are. There is no such construct like a hell. Looks like your parents brainwashed you into something stupid.

        • Anon

          Let the pirates believe leeching from the swarm doesn’t impact on sales. They’ll be caught and punished more easily that way.

        • Fredrika

          > “Let the pirates believe leeching from the swarm doesn’t impact on sales.”

          What someone believes regarding that topic has no relevance, what the actual numbers in independent scientific studies shows does, and they clearly do not support that thesis. Nor does the music industry’s current record revenues.

          > “They’ll be caught and punished more easily that way.”

          What one believes regarding piracy’s impact on sales has no relevance to how easily one is caught. And in reality you risk being struck by lightning more than being caught for filesharing.

        • Ben Dover = SHIT PORN

          All I read was
          bla bla bla…pirates cause harm….bla bla bla… no such thing as god..bla bla

          COMPLETE nonconstructive Bla bla

           
           
          ????????????????????????????????????????????????

          Do what BrownEye Entertainment-less ask of you.
          Contact Them ( maybe give them some cash or pizza, whatever )
           
           

          Winston House
          2 Dollis Park
          Finchley
          N3 1HF
          London

          Email: info@goldeneyeint.com

          Phone: 0871 990 6500
          Fax: 0871 990 6510
          ????????????????????????????????????????????????

          Less of the bla bla.. OK ?

          You sound like Rick Santorum talking about bla people.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          “There are a lot of strangers that are potential customers and you know what you are doing if you share copyrighted work with those potential customers.”

          Every serious market study has come to the conclusion that it doesn’t really matter. Potential customers or not the amount of sales is about the same with filesharing as without.

          And as for “harm” caused it is quite interesting to note that more than ten years of studies on filesharing has managed to produce even one indication that it causes any harm.

          I’m thinking you are the last person to talk about “incompetence” when you don’t even have facts at hand regarding the topic you are commenting about. Indeed, you seem to be made of personal opinion and fail.

        • Zookeeper

          Dont feed the trolls.

        • icec0ld

          “There are a lot of strangers that are potential customers and you know what you are doing if you share copyrighted work with those potential customers.”

          Study after study has shown this is not the case. Consistent pirates tend to be the ones spending more on whatever they are pirating, therefore this claim is bunk. They are already customers.

          “You are causing a lot of harm and they have therefore the right to stop you.”

          Completely false. As pointed out, sales if anything increase with piracy.

          “Thank you for showing us how incompetent you are. There is no such construct like a hell. Looks like your parents brainwashed you into something stupid.”

          Thankyou for attempting to look intelectual. I don’t believe in god, hell or haven but at least I don’t look like a fuck wad for trying to look down on those who do.

        • Eddie

          There is no hell? Obviously you’ve never been forced to watch a Justin Beiber or Maroon 5 concert.

        • Guest

          “You are causing a lot of harm and they have therefore the right to stop you.”

          Wrong. We’re the best customers as yet another professional study shows.

          http://torrentfreak org com/uk-movie-pirates-spend-way-more-at-the-box-office-121122/

          The only way we’re causing harm to the entertainment industry is if it’s allergic to money. Try again.

        • Guest

          http://torrentfreak org com

          Okay, this is why I shouldn’t comment right after I wake up.

        • Who

          LOL another STUPID user LOL

          @Anon below. STFU they STILL make BILLIONS EACH and EVERY year.

          ANY one that thinks P2P networks HURT sales needs to go back to STUPID VILLE and do some research. O but I forgot you to STUPID to even do that.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FCNK7C55CBUYFVSC5LNWKB322E Buglord

          hell is a place in Norway, trust me, the entire country is close enough to what hell they describe in the religious texts or whatever.

        • http://twitter.com/PamelaMeyerso Pamela Meyerso

          I own a computer, I don’t need to pay for the data that computer copies. . http://youtube.qr.net/jNUN/watch?v=NMuze8T2Y5k

        • SomeYahoo

          “Looks like your MAFIAA overlords brainwashed you into something stupid.”

          FTFY

        • durrhurrr

          Doing lots of harm, yet both the MPAA and RIAA recorded history making record revenues during Q42011?

      • Predator

        Exactly. This porn industry is like the drug gangs trying to use sex to addict people. What a pack of assholes!

        Bend Over can bend over and fuck themselves and as far as these criminals at Golden Eye let’s pock their eyes. Once they are all dead no more problem for the citizen of the world.

        • EatMyBark

          Your right it is well known that porn is very addicting and ruins lives and relationships. I have no sympathy for people that make porn, I have less for porn trolls.

    • Guest

      There are also a lot of people that have no sympathy for pirates either and now guess what group is worse. Of course. Those “copyright trolls” are the good guys in this case. All they do is to help to protect individuals fom a bunch of incompetent and plain stupid fools that cause a lot of trouble and harm (also to the internet). It might not be the best methods, but I believe there is no way around.

      • Proud Pirate

        You’re implying the internet is not a file sharing network and copyright trolls should have the power to come online and enforce artificial scarcity.

        Stop trying to alter, what is an obvious reality.
        Endless copies at zero cost = worthless.
        Internet is a file sharing network.

         
        Boo fucking Hoo

        You don’t like it and want to change REALITY so you can possibly profit.

        Adapt or die……. or just GTFO the internet.

        • Guest

          There is one thing that needs to be clarified. Are you really that stupid or just a bad troll?

          People like you are the real ones that need to be catched and I hope it will badly hurt your wallet and will cause a lot of tears.

        • Anyone

          so, Guest, explain to me how something that can be copied at zero cost should cost something?
          where is the logic in that?

        • Proud Pirate

          @Guest
          I need to be catched
          catched

          Lrn2English Child ….. or adult with “child brain”, whatever.
          Your comprehension of such matters is reflected in your communication skills. That is an independent observation while disregarding the message of your communication, which points to the probability that you are actually retarded.

        • Guest

          @Anyone.

          Yes, you are right. We can all that stuff in the grocery store obtain at zero cost (the tree copied those apples for free). Why are we supposed to pay for it? Where is the logic in that?

        • Guest

          @Proud Pirate

          Troll harder. You have really nothing better than your allmighty “grammer weapon”? What a loser you are.

        • Techanon

          I have an apple tree on my lawn, I don’t need to pay for the apples that come from that apple tree.

          I own a computer, I don’t need to pay for the data that computer copies.

        • Anyone

          @Guest
          if it is your apple tree, you get the apples for free

          just like when I copy something with my computer and my internet connection I get it for free

        • Proud Pirate

          @Guest ..says… “nothing better than grammar”… ignores previous argument.
           
           

          Copied endlessly at no cost = worthless.

          Selling porn dvds will FAIL as a business…. BECAUSE OF REALITY.
          LiveCam sites are booming for a reason…. it’s unique and not a copyable experience.

          *That is reality. Deal with it. Evolve or die.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        “Those “copyright trolls” are the good guys in this case.”

        Which such “trolls” do you mean? The ones who apprehend nine year old children or the ones on boards such as these who loudly cheer for that fact?
        http://torrentfreak.com/police-raid-9-year-old-pirate-bay-girl-confiscate-winnie-the-pooh-laptop-121122/

        I have news for you – “good guys” don’t go after children or applaud the fact that someone does. Only bad guys do that. Guess which side of the fence that puts you on?

        And when a porn producer starts begging for handouts in order to perpetuate a mass fishing/extortion scheme you describe that as “good”?
        By that argument, the guys writing letters from Nigeria must be the heroes of the century…

        • Guest

          “The ones who apprehend nine year old children”

          Damn, Frederika.

          Are you kidding? The didn’t go after the nine year old girl. The damn download is the target. It’s not about the nine year old human being. It’s all about the wrongfully reproduced copy of a file.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          “Damn, Frederika.”

          At least adress that reply to Fredrika.

          Right after an article hits the pages about copyright trolls going after nine year old girls, now comes a porn producer begging for help in pursuing a mass extortion scheme.

          Pray tell, in what way can this type of people be in any instance claimed to be “Good guys”?

        • Guest

          “The damn download is the target”

          There was no download. The 9 year old tried to download the album but it didn’t work so she simply purchased the album instead. There was no wrongfully reproduced copy of a file.

          You would know that if you could actually read.

          “Damn, Frederika.”

          Scary_Devil_Monastery = Frederika?

          Guest confirmed for illiteracy.

      • Guest

        “guess what group is worse.”

        Filesharers only commit the victimless “crime” of non-profit copyright infringement. Meanwhile, trolls like Golden Eye go around trying to maliciously extort hundreds of dollars from people most of whom aren’t even filesharers thanks to the flawed method of IP harvesting.

        So to answer your question, you’re a moron.

        • ScrewEwe2

          And it appears you are a “PoliPops”. Better get that checked, could be cancerous.

      • Anon

        Scary Devil Monastery has a selective view which grossly biases his observations, but at least he’s informed and with some degree of experience that adds credibility to his world view. i don’t agree but I respect.

        Fredrika is a petulant and badly parented, poorly informed child, with not enough maturity to gather a real sense of what is being discussed here except for her own warped reality. Scary informs the debate. Fredrika is cutie-pie, airheaded entertainment. Note the difference.

        • Fredrika

          > “Fredrika is a petulant and badly parented, poorly informed child, with not enough maturity to gather a real sense of what is being discussed here except for her own warped reality.”

          Yet you can’t seem to produce one single reply to any of my comments that responds to what i actually write? Just as the other day when you went bananas when you realised that your own misconception of dividing goods between analogue and digital was incorrect, something which you would have learned decades ago had you taken a basic economics course or stayed awake during economic studies in elementary school. Have you learned since then? It’s Goods or services, and on-line only services are sold.

          And when i over and over again ask you to produce one single quote from me which you believe to be incorrect, you can’t do that either.

          And when i ask you to comment on the already fully functioning next generation filesharing F2F protocols, you go desperately quiet.

          And when i ask you to comment on the fact that the only growing parliamentarian group in the parliament of the worlds biggest and strongest economy has adopted the Pirate Partiy’s political copyright program, including legalised filesharing, you become even more desperately quiet.

          It’s strange how a big man as you, who so proudly advocates fascism and rape of human beings as a response to a non-problem, is so desperately afraid and incapable of responding to one little petulant and badly parented poorly informed child.

          Is it because a little girl been mean to you?

        • Guest

          Anon is a petulant and badly parented, poorly informed child, with not enough maturity to gather a real sense of what is being discussed here except for his own warped reality.

          Fix’d.

          Seriously, Anon’s projection of himself to on to Fredrika is edging up to serial-killer levels of alarming creepiness.

      • Y000

        Stop right their, please get off the internet and stay off it.

      • Who

        you don’t know what you are talking about. do some research.
        copyright trolls are ONLY interested in MONEY, NOT JUSTICE.
        and ANY BODY that supports them IS a STUPID FOOL.

      • SomeYahoo

        /facepalm

    • torrent freakster

      Why stop there ?
      They cause harm to others and the society.Both that will take many years to recover from. If you think positively.

      Keep a very close eye on their taxes, etc and for even the tiniest mistake put them in prison for tax fraud.

      Why ?
      Because this is how harsh they are treating others. Not to mention the legal mess they are creating by misusing and abusing the law systems.

      I’d say we should severely discourage both misusing and abusing of the law and harm to society by burning down their houses. Send child molesters after their children. Give rapist and murderers their addresses and say go have fun,

      Why ?
      Because currently there is no legal way from making them stop harming the law system and the society.

      Currently greed is more important than the welfare of the society,
      This must be changed.

      Greed and exploration of societies systems like the law should be as serious and illegal as murder.

  • ThisAintme

    KARMA IS A BITCH!

    FAGGOT! (no offence gay and lesbo pirates :D no homo.)

    And the Ministry of Sound being butthurt much?
    _ _ <- the Fucks I just gave!

    How long will it take them sitting there and let themselves get ass whopped like that before coming up with laws that link hacktivists directly to 9/11 fanatics and muslim terrorist groups aiming to destroy capitalism and free speech… good luck with that lie.
    They will call for live sentences for those fighting for civil rights. Nice. History repeats itself.

    On the other hand:
    "It’s worth noting that Golden Eye are keeping 75% of each settlement so that pie needs to be as big as possible."
    ^ If above is true that judge should have NO problem turning a blind one for the sake of so called infringers since the money does not reach any performer of said genre. Since he wont allow the information to be "sold" to the highest bider, right?

    Good to hear that all that hacktivism is bringing some of their campaigns down. Continue!

  • Anonymous

    shake downs of this and any other type need to be fought against vigorously. no one knows when they are going to be falsely targeted by these trolls with an attempt to extort money. the best way forward, however, would be for the courts to ban everything like this happening and the government to legalise and actively encourage non-commercial file sharing

    • Tigranspetrosian

      Use capital letters and punctuation you fucking moron. Your slovenly typing makes a joke out your point. Stop making us all look bad.

      • Guest

        The bad fools are the ones that have nothing better to do than to cry about grammar or a special writting style. It’s not the grammar that is important. It’s the content and now please go and get a life.

        • guest

          Fuck off cunt.

      • Guest

        “Your slovenly typing makes a joke out your point

        The irony. It’s delicious.

      • 7th_Guest

        Your punctuation isn’t exactly stellar either, you insufferably pedantic, shallow jerk. So much for worrying about looking bad through association…

  • ScrewEwe2

    That’s hilarious, porn copyright trolls asking for handouts while they screw people over with their apparently, for now, legal extortion scams. The courts need to wake up and realize that this “pay us now, or else” + “you have to sign our trumped up document that say’s you can’t tell anyone” bullshit should be outlawed. Since I’m not interested in any of Ben Dover’s Golden Shower gay porn endeavors, I don’t have to worry, but if any copyright troll comes to my door, I will just say “Fuck Off” and slam the door in their face. If you give in out of fear, they got ya. I could see being screwed in court, but being robbed in some out of court settlement ain’t happening, period. I’ve often wondered if Anon is Ben Dover or one of his Ass-?-ciaites, and what’s with his “we” crap?

    • Guest

      It seems you have an issue with porn and are not able to tolerate things you don’t like. That’s very inhuman.

      Maybe you should scrub the word “porn” frorm the phrase “porn copyright trolls asking” the next time you want to be taken seriously.

      • ScrewEwe2

        Guest, I don’t have anything at all against porn whether it be, softcore, extreme hardcore, gay, transexual or straight. In fact, if someone enjoys watching someone sucking a donky dick, fine. I have a rather nice collection of porn myself and don’t need to go out and look for any more. I’m very satsfied with what I have, both in video and picture formats. Not knowing how much you have followed the Ben Dover exploits here on TF over the last few months, I don’t know what your knowledge base about him is. Ben Dover is in the business of making porn for the gay porn market, and he and his associates could be considered copyright trolls. I don’t have a problem with his product in any way whatsoever, but with his copyright extortion scams. I’m straight, but I know a lot of gay people that I have considered very close family friends, some for over 30 years. All I was saying, is that I have no need to download any of Ben Dovers gay porn films for my own pleasure or use. If you somehow read into what I was saying, as being homophobic or that I have a problem with gay porn or any flavor of porn, Sorry.

        • ScrewEwe2

          PS, it’s best not to judge others before you get to know them.

        • PissOffTrollScum

          Jesus, don’t justify yourself to those angry queens.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        True enough. “porn” can actually be appreciated by many whereas both the words “copyright” and “troll” are impossible to perceive as anything positive in any light.

      • ScrewEwe2

        Hey HugASnowball, your “trolling” Kung Fu is very weak. Ya got me to bite and waste time though. At least clear your cookies and troll with a VPN.

  • Violated0

    Everyone has a right to ask for donations but that does not mean that they are going to get any where I doubt many people would support what Golden Eye International is doing with their speculative invoicing public attack. Quite selfish commercial reasons fall largely behind a non-profit consumer protection organization.

    With that said my greatest moan here would be at TF and Enigmax for tormenting us all in this double dip recession with a photo of a pile of £50 notes! I am sure we can all dream of a pile full of those pink bank notes but for 99% of us there is bills, debt and more.

  • icec0ld

    Oh yes. The person who has listed the sale of a Ferrari is totally in need of cash /rollseyes

    Is this guy really that stupid? Does he really think he will get any sort of goodwill from the obnoxious act of a pornographic business asking for donations, setting aside the fact his opposition is non for profit and in actual need of cash.

    This man has no boundaries. No morals. I have absolutely nothing against pornography but this goes beyond acceptable ethical behavior for anyone and comes across as exceedingly ignorant and down right greedy.

  • Gee

    This makes me a sad panda

  • Andrew me

    The problem for the Porn industry is that there is so much content available for free online legally that people are just not that interested in purchasing there content anymore, or not to the extent they were previously.

    This will all end up as a nice story for torrentfreak to follow and for us readers to follow and laugh at.

    Nobody is going to allow a porn creator to blackmail the population into paying hundreds of Pounds for watching something, there will be court cases and there will be actions taken against them just like happened with others that have tried to do the same.

    What we need to happen is for the EFF to jump in before anyone is forced to pay up by pressure and lies in legal looking letters. Lets not let them do what righthaven did, let’s not let them get one penny from 1 customer.

    The laws need to change and if the courts cannot do it the government will when a very large percentage of the population is suddenly declared to be criminals for the simple thing of sharing a few files. The gov will be forced to change the law or suffer the fact that they will be voted out, and no amount of bribe money will be enough to save there jobs

    • Guest

      There is no free alternative for everything. For example SuicideGirls. They’re taking especially photographs of girls from the emo and punk rock scene – have fun to find “homemade” alternatives.

      Their work is also highly pirated and all the want is $48 for a year long subscription. That’s why I hate the pirating scum.

      Those guys from SuicideGirls or similar studios are not Hollywood or another huge monster with a lot of money. Pirates do cause a lot of harm to them and that is a fact.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        “Pirates do cause a lot of harm to them and that is a fact.”

        Nope. Actual science and empirical evidence says otherwise. Emphatically so. If an author or artist manages to amass a fan base, said fans will pay. If not, the only reason people will get hold of the works at all is because it’s there. Filesharing is simply mass marketing in either case.

        This is why creators such as Paulo coelho can publish their works on TPB and suddenly see a twelve million rise in sales pf physical copies, whereas “John D Crap”, also an author, finds that although many apparently download, no one is willing to purchase.

        And with niche markets especially, if what you do already caters to rather small numbers of people, then you will struggle to sell your wares. This, too, has always been the case, in any business you care to name.

        We have several thousand years of human history which by now proves conclusively that out of ten thousand aspiring artists, just about ONE has the raw ability to live off their art. Filesharing hasn’t changed that one jot, save that it enables mass marketing in a way which was until now not possible unless you were wealthy to begin with.

        And i’m quite surprised that anyone would be enough of an idiot not to notice this in an age where bloggers can earn five-figure salaries just from their webpage ads.

        Personally I have a particular loathing for idiots – particularly the kind willing to go to any length to look for a scapegoat they can burden with responsibility instead of realizing they might be one of the many called but not the one chosen.

      • Whatever

        “guys from SuicideGirls”

        You must be confused.

      • Guest

        I fucking hate SuicideGirls. They take these hot alternative women and then put them in photoshoots that end up looking like glossy, fake, airbrushed, mainstream Playboy pictorials.

        Hello? If I’m looking for alt chicks it’s because I want to get away from boring mainstream porn. So don’t shoot them in the style of boring mainstream porn. That’s just weak.

        When I see their stuff posted online for free I scroll past it.

        But of course let’s just blame all of their hardships on piracy.

      • MadAsASnake

        They need to work out how to market themselves better. Just screaming “piracy” is not a go to market strategy.

  • waaminn

    Well now that makes a lot of sense when you think about it.
    http://www.Privacy-Max.tk

  • ScrewEwe2

    Before I go, half the time it’s hard to tell one “guest” from another “guest”, or one “Anon” fuckwad from another “Anon” fuckwad. Is this “guest” a troll or a pirate sympathizer? Is this anonymous shithead a troll or a pro-piracy person? Pick a fuckin’ nick, dick. I don’t think the name Ben is taken.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      If past experiences are any judge, you’ll probably find that one and the same person is responsible for half a dozen “different” commenters. Pro-copyright trolls are fond of “angry kitten”.

      I usually invite the mod to publish a count on which commenters posted under the same ip or Tor node just to make a valid tally of how many people are really involved in the debate.

      The particular occasion when the mod took me up on that was a few years back when “Nejtillpirater” had been making a truly outrageous ass of himself and was being sorely pressed from a dozen irate pirates when suddenly, out of the blue, a dozen posters with random nicknames turned up to defend him. All of which (according to the mod) apparently had the same ip-adress…

      If you follow a forum for some time you can usually guess when one regular commenter vanishes and is replaced by some other nickname, carrying the exact same message. Or when out of the blue a regular spammer is suddenly support by a plethora of people – guest, anon, , etc – whom no one has ever seen before on the boards.

      • ScrewEwe2

        Scary, I agree. What’s strange is that 15 hours ago, the commentor “guest” that I was responding to in one of my post’s, and other post’s by “guest” showed on my system as “guest”. 15 hours later they are all attributed to “SnowballEater”, who I’ve seen before commenting on Ben Dover articles. Did the TF admins correct this, or Disqus? Last time I had any good hallucinations due to LSD was years ago, and this morning I wasn’t trippin’.

  • Guest

    These Golden Eye people can always go knocking on the BPI’s door and ask for a handout. Since BPI is so against the TPB and now trying to get the court to block a few other websites they could now turn there attention to getting money out of people by copyright trolling and using these Golden Eye people to do that for them for a fee of course. Maybe some others of the MAFFIA will donate a few 000′s to this outfit because if they don’t support this guy then it will become much harder for them to go after people and sue and they of course wouldn’t want it to be harder for them to do so. I hope the Judge slaps Golden Eye down for the way they go about there business with not actually taking anyone to court if they don’t pay up but then don’t take anyone to court who didn’t pay. I hope that ORG can show and prove that not one person from out of all the thousands of letters by Golden Eye was not taken to court as per stated in the letter who didn’t pay the settlement.

  • Whatever

    In the past those porn producers were illegal themselves in a lot of places. They should all be tried in, for example, Iran to know their place.

    Those that are in need of media don’t have to worry.

    On the internet there is very likely more “freeware” than they can shake a stick at.

  • Js

    Since the IP only identifys the account holder, what happens if the infringer is under 18 years olds ? Can GEI be held responsible for suppling porn to under age kids ?
    Surly if they knew it was getting shared and by not issung a takedawn,
    they have allowed it to continue were it can be accessed by minors.

    • SnowballEater

      Most of those infringers you just described make probably “RL porn” that lets the stuff from GE look like peanutes. Just saying.

      GE can’t be made resposible for that. You can’t be charged with murder if someone steals your favorite knife and murders the granny next door. There is the same logic behind it.

      • Js

        But they have the rights to distribute porn via bittorrent ( Ref ACS Law )
        To capture the IP’s address they have let the process run.
        In the UK it was not long ago that hard core porn was illegal and letting under 18 have axx is still illegal.

        • MadAsASnake

          They are currently trying to get “rights” to “prosecute” on behalf of others – something explicitly forbidden in UK Copyright law – as shown clearly by ACS. That they want the identities of people they have no possible legal claim over and the fact that the letters are pretty much straight copies [the irony] of Fat Boy Crossleys rather makes the point these are not intended to go to court. It’s extortion. Any of these go to court in a properly represented way will be laughed out. IP is not sufficient, and this is settled in case law. The only chance they have in court s Default Judgments, unless someone admits to it. At that point, they cannot prove damages at “£100′s” – more likely a fiver. BTW, they are breaching the Data Protection Act in matching IP’s with subscriber details – they have not properly registered – so they can’t even get that right.

    • Whatever

      Just another page in the Paypal terms of service…..

  • http://twitter.com/Prungy Prungy

    Pretty pathectic when the mafia needs to ask for handouts to continue operations.

  • Borharris1

    i dont’ get it .. why would anyone pay … what are they going to do … haul a million pirates into courts …. 2 million, 5 million .. we won’t have a court system for the real criminals .. i’d tell them to go shove it … and if i was taken to court and lost .. i couldn’t pay anyways, IT”S WHY I PIRATE … i have no money to buy all this chit …. so what are they gonna do, if none of us can pay … put us all in jail … i dont’ get it

    • MadAsASnake

      These asshats won’t take anyone to court. They were asked [by the court] to set up a sample case to show their process had merit. They refused to do even that [too poor, apparently]. If they don’t have the resources to take a single case to trial they should not even be given subscriber details. In the UK, this info is released only for purposes permitted by the court [settlement or trial]. They can’t do whatever they like. What happens unfortunately, is those details are spread around [as in ACS] and people end up in hellish situations being accused of things they did not do, with no way to put a stop to it. I believe the next step in the UK is to deny all discovery based on IP alone. That already happens if an ISP objects – but as we see, we can’t rely on ISP’s defending their customers.

  • Who

    OMFG are you who keep on putting non sense in front of your bullshit that stupid?
    this is regards to food. a apple tree reproduces apples for free cause that’s its purpose. yet you bitch that you are forced to pay for that apple? ok so take it then…O that’s right that would BE steeling. as it belongs to the property owner.
    BTW in case you haven’t figured it out yet…YOU are ON his property.
    still haven’t figured this out yet? if you haven’t then you really are that stupid.

    • aidanjt

      The DNA of the apple is akin to the bit sequence of files. Let’s say I buy an apple, that’s now my lawful property, if I leave the apple in my garden and it takes root and grows into an apple tree, it copies itself and makes more apples, I can give the apples the tree grows to my friends, and maybe sell the new apples to others. I don’t need the permission of nor have to pay royalties to the supermarket or the orchard they came from.

      Now let’s take a song I buy, that’s now my lawful property, I can copy the file on my devices, or maybe on my friends as well, or sell it to others (in a practical real world sense). Now nobody here is saying commercial for-profit infringement is cool, but we should be left to do with our property as we will in a personal capacity. It’s this little thing called civil liberties, you may have heard of them (although you may be forgiven for not hearing of them given how rapidly they’re vanishing in this age of renewed fascism.)

      Copyright is a legal fiction that was intended to stop commercial infringement, not to steal (as in the very real, actual physical deprivation of property theft) the computers of 9 year old children for downloading a song, if that alleged download happened at all.

      • Who

        you partly got the point.

        “It’s this little thing called civil liberties, you may have heard of them”
        don’t talk to me like I am fucking Anon please.

        I know what Rights are for individuals. the other point was you wouldn’t take the apple and copy it “grow” and get sued for copyright infringement cause its food and that’s just plane stupid.

        so Y would you be stupid enough to add it to a comment and complain about having to pay for it?

        • aidanjt

          You don’t get sued not because it’s food, but because the apple is *your* lawful property and you can do whatever the hell you want with it. Property rights, first sale doctrine, etc. applies. And this applies for everything you buy. You only have your rights robbed in this regard due to special pleading from the copyright lobby, and only the copyright lobby. In no other way are sellers able to dictate what you may or may not do with your private property once you purchase it from them. Whether it’s a car, a house, a radio, a tv, a computer (the hardware side anyway), you name it. You buy it, it’s yours to do with as you will.

          The copyright lobbyists want ‘free market’ for themselves, and fascism for the rest of us.

        • redacted

          So, you’re in favor of the banning of paper. Right?

          No? What about all the books people could “steal”?

          In favor of banning blank cd’s and dvd’s?

          No?

          Banning cassette tapes (the same people fought hard for that one, too)?

          No?

          How about VCR’s (fought for that one too)?

          No??

          Tape recorders?

          Microphones?

          Copy machines?

          Gee… It’s almost like the ‘logic’ of your argument doesn’t stand up to even the most superficial scrutiny.

          Unless of course you also advocate the criminalization of every method of reproducing every form of media.

          But you’re not, are ya?

          Strange, that.

  • Gae

    Well I just donated to ORG, I hope others do the same.
    I am sure there are more people against golden eye than there are people who will support them, you just need to do your part and help out where you can.

  • Guest

    Hey, trolls, keep fighting it out. Malibu Media over in the US managed to get your trials to the point where the judge threatened that if the jury found the porn films obscene, he would declare them NON-COPYRIGHTABLE. That’s right; he could declare your entire business, much less than your lawsuits, completely toothless and obsolete.

    So keep on fighting, and rotting away in your mansions like Brigham Field’s. “We’re not rich”, ha ha ha, that’s a laugh.

    • MadAsASnake

      The argument that porn does not extend the useful arts is an interesting one. I’d expect judges to err on the broader definition in this case unfortunately. However, declaring it not copyrightable would be fantastic as it would remove a whole load of this shit from the courts and peoples post boxes.

  • Who

    @aidanjt: thank you, you nailed it that time. cheers, thumbs up.

  • An0nYm0u5

    Fundraisers for this crap?!? Can we just put all these people in a space ship and send them off to the sun’s core?

  • PornStar

    Yeah let’s all give money to a f***er, that will be good use of the money

    Ben Dover already f***ed himself when he choose to be a pornographer

    I say why pay to watch when I can pay to do and I’ll enjoy it plenty more

    So go BenDover and wait for someone to rim that GoldenEye

  • Erik Nyquist

    Oh that poor man; to think, he’s trying to make an honest living through perfectly-accepted legal extortion and pornography; and now he can barely make ends meet. My heart bleeds.

  • Jack

    Ben Dover is an ex con with some very dodgy associates, having done 9 months at Her Majesty’s Pleasure in Brixton and then Send Open Prison in Surry for “publishing obscene material for gain” and “being in possession of obscene material”.
    Check his Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Dover

  • Malaka

    all the copyright trolls can shout until they are blue in the mouth but the reality is millions of people download files every day and there’s not a damn think they can do about it… at least nothing significant.

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