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RIAA Labels Spain and Canada As Piracy Havens

Together with their partners at the International Intellectual Property Alliance, the RIAA has submitted their ‘piracy watchlist’ recommendations to the Office of the US Trade Representative. Canada and Spain are listed as two piracy havens that require urgent attention from the US Government, even though the latter just adopted a US inspired anti-piracy law.

pirate flagTwo days ago Spanish Congress adopted one of the most far reaching anti-piracy legislations in Europe. The so-called ‘Sinde law’ is aimed at shutting down file-sharing sites, and despite massive opposition from Internet users and even people in the film industry, it is expected to be fully implemented this summer.

In the United States, where diplomats helped to draft the Spanish legislation, several copyright holders have responded with delight at the passing of the law. However, according to the RIAA and the International Intellectual Property Alliance (IIPA), this is just the first step.

In their advice to the US Trade Representative the groups have included Spain in the Priority Watch List, the highest category for countries that are considered to be ‘piracy havens’. Spain is joined by other defiant states such as Canada, Russia and China, all countries that are labeled as a major threat to the US entertainment industries.

The recommendations of the RIAA will be considered by the US Trade Representative when it prepares its annual Special 301 Report. This report is meant to identify countries that obstruct or deny proper copyright enforcement, thereby hurting the profits of US industries. Last year Canada was also included (pdf) on the priority watch list, while Spain was placed a category lower on the regular watch list.

Despite the passing of the ‘Sinde law’ the RIAA and IIPA say that Spain should be listed on the priority watch list this year. The fact that file-sharing sites have been ruled as operating within the boundaries of the law is something that needs to be addressed in particular, the pair insist.

“The sky-high Internet piracy levels in Spain can be attributed to government policies that have created an Internet-wide safe harbor for infringing activities. Spanish enforcement authorities have established the de facto decriminalization of illegal downloading of content distributed via P2P file-sharing,” they argue.

Another issue that should be resolved is the lack of ability to identify and report copyright infringers. “Spain’s laws fail to meet the minimum requirements of the EU E-Commerce Directive regarding liability for ISPs, or to establish the necessary tools to obtain the identity of the direct infringer,” the groups add.

Aside from Spain, Canada is another candidate for the 2011 priority watch list. In a statement RIAA’s Neil Turkewitz specifically mentioned Canada’s slow progress on revising their copyright law..

“The Canadian Government has inexplicably consumed yet another year without modernizing its copyright regime, leaving a legal structure in place that is not adequate to respond to present challenges,” Turkewitz said.

The claimed result is that Canada is now one of the world’s true pirate havens. In their advice to the US Trade Representative RIAA and IIPA write the following.

“Canada is home to some of the world’s most popular illegitimate Internet sites, including illegitimate P2P download and streaming sites.”

“Canada is viewed as a country in which laws to address digital piracy are weak, ineffective or non-existent, and as a result many sites dedicated to piracy or information sources about them claim that locating or operating in Canada is to their advantage because their services are legal in Canada.”

“Canada has been home to the operators or hosts of five of the world’s top ten pirate BitTorrent sites, and it continues to be a major source of online theft in Canada and around the world.”

Although the latter statistic is open to interpretation, the RIAA and IIPA urge the US Government to include Canada, Spain and 11 other countries on the priority watch list of the 2011 Special 301 Report. In a few weeks we will learn to what extent the advice of the US copyright industry has been heeded.

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  • Anonymous

    Anyone got a ticket to Canada?

    • Punkparents

      I’m lucky to be in Canada and i’m on Bell,they never bother me and they grandfather me so i have unlimited downloads.

  • Anonymous

    Anyone got a ticket to Canada?

  • Cam

    As a Canadian Citizen I am disgusted to know the US government is trying to impose US law on me. Time to get a seedbox I guess

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=689085041 Chad Evjen

      But you must remember it costs money if you go over your monthly bandwidth!

      • Cam

        Luckily I have an ISp who doesnt care what I do , I reguarly do over 600gb a month on a 75gb cap and have done so for a while now. That is besides the point though, I plan on getting a seedbox in europe and off load that to a server I put in colo here in Canada and once a week or more walk in offload the data to Harddrives i briong with me.

      • Dick Black

        Poor soul. Shaw Cable owns you huh?

        • Me

          What? I’m on Shaw. I went well over my cap many times, and this is what happens after 5 months: They shut off your internet. So I call them up, and the conversation basically goes like so:

          Shaw:”Ah yes, you went over you bandwidth cap for 5 months. Don’t do it again”
          Me:”kthxbai”

          I still go over….

    • Momo

      FFS don’t get a seedbox! At least not yet.

      If the US is bullying your country to change its laws, don’t just give up and let them. Write to your politicians, call them, pester them, go to rallies if you can… just don’t let C-32 pass. Fight back!

      That’s what I would do if I were in Canada, or if the US were coming for my country.

      If all else fails and the US wins, then get your seedbox.

      • Anonymous

        Momo, I like your fighting spirit!

        http://opensourceg.com/staticpages/index.php?page=Open_Vote

        Please accept this small rant as token yer not alone! One day people will vote alongside their “leaders” and unpopular and unjust laws will be strickendown /w mass downvotes…

        I’d love some replies on this if you guys have the time. I don’t believe writing a politician will do much, if anything. My best hope lies /w infecting America with open source government itself! To bring balance to the force!

        These American companies have held the American Senate hostage against the wishes of her own people for FAR TOO LONG NOW!

        “That’s what I would do if I were in Canada, or if the US were coming for my country.”

        If they came to MY nation, and forced their laws upon us again and again I’d simply push for a better system…(copywrong, softwood lumber, refusing to put us alongside them when new tech comes out)

        One day a party built upon transparency and openness will win seats, as both sides scramble to pretend they are more open source, inacteractive, and transparent then “Open Source Party”.

        In fact, the next few elections for terms, I plan to spoil/invest my Canadian ballot /w Open Source Government written on it while striking out the elected officials, maybe make some posters during campaign time, maybe no chance in America but in Canada, well, Pirate Party got off the ground on but 1 industry problem…..living to the intent of Open Source code, ported to our broken govt system……seems like LIFE2 on a fallen soldier! imho

        …you don’t run to your leaders, you form new ones. Today’s leaders. The idea of a govt that actually represents the people more then the corps will be nice, all 360 million N Americans all downvoting bad laws together…..

        …sure would put those jerks on a shorter leech.

        D/W Canada, we stand on guard for thee!

        • Shaunehunter

          I prefer the traditonal “Rhinoceros” write in to spoil one’s ballot.

    • http://www.facebook.com/eric.boehm Jack Murdock

      Copyright law doesn’t only apply to the US, einstein.

      • Momo

        No, but US copyright law does, asshole.

        • Anonymous

          LAWYERED

        • Saywutnoa?

          LAWYERED == Ownd by Law???

      • Z24god

        if the content came from the US the copyrights only exist there not here in Canada or anywhere …. the biggest reason we dont have a copyright law is that to many of our government downloads stuff lol … and we dont really care what the US says its there laws not ours…. they got to stop pushing there shit on every one else

      • Schrodingerscat

        It’s Einsten, with capital E, RIAA lapdog.

        • Anally Yours

          It’s Anal, with capital A. But the “RIAA lapdog” part was nice.

        • Koaieus

          I like it that you are trying to correct somebody and then fail at it.
          EinstEn? Ahahaha read that again… fool.

        • Why an email

          You forgot to capitalize the “fool”.

    • Sh100

      That’s what they did in Sweden, and I’m sure they’re meddling around in many other countries too.

    • Anonymous

      Seedbox? Time to protest you mean. Stop f*cking running away. Do you know how many letters you can send to your government for $14 per month? Those are your rights they are killing. Stop f*cking letting them. They already turned Sweden, one of the most free countries in the world, into a digital police state. Grab your Canadian sniper crowbars and march dammit! If they get every government to roll over they really are the world police. And you don’t want that do you? RIAA as digital world police…

      • Me

        …..sniper crowbars? DO WANT.

    • Trelew

      The problem is that our government is corrupted by corporate greed. We will see a new copyright law that is nothing more a Big Business wet dream and the public will suffer because of it. Bell and Rogers have brought back usage charges that are greater than before. The problem is that because of the corporate greed, that internet use will suffer and be nothing more than a corporate wasteland where only the rich and powerful can enjoy. Their greed will kill the internet

    • Trelew

      The problem is that our government is corrupted by corporate greed. We will see a new copyright law that is nothing more a Big Business wet dream and the public will suffer because of it. Bell and Rogers have brought back usage charges that are greater than before. The problem is that because of the corporate greed, that internet use will suffer and be nothing more than a corporate wasteland where only the rich and powerful can enjoy. Their greed will kill the internet

  • ItsHuge

    This makes me sad to be a US citizen. Just fuck off out of our business already.

    • http://crashsuit.blogspot.com crashsuit

      +1 confirm. US gov’t.’s treament of other countries always makes me feel like I’m the guy who showed up to the swingin’ party and brought my mean-drunk a-hole of a friend.

      • Anonymous

        We know yer cool Yankee, we’ll help save you from your govt’s problems….together we’ll downvote their mad ideas…..millions at a time. Not eveyr 5 years but every day on every policy.

        Canada will stand on guard you you Canucks also. Might take more work to port our health care your way…we’ll get er done tho… ;)

        • http://crashsuit.blogspot.com crashsuit

          Liked. Crowd-sourced political IT ftw.

        • Anonymous

          yer welcome to help develop it at http://www.opensourceg.com
          I put my best ideas in open vote on there. top right.

        • niiga

          TBH we have too many [black] people getting shot everyday, and our health care system will never resolute.

        • Anonymous

          don’t dispair, have faith in the swarm > the govt.

          the govt, bought by corporate orcs are useless to us, but a p2p govt system IS possible (under elected leaders but still VERY powerful)

          …enough for health care, d/w

  • George

    I’m glad to see that Spain enacted the law. It’s about time content creators are fairly compensated in that country.

    • Cam

      If you can show me proof of losses and hardship that isnt made up by Hollywood then we will believe people like you , until then you are guilty until proven innocent just like Hollywood sees us fileshareers.

      Pro copyright supporters who are crooked and fail to see the truth need to be gathered up and tried before a tribunal of people who fileshare and handed out punishment for their injustice towards society, other countries sovereign laws and views.

      Remember the people will win this war

    • Lindsay

      the next shift in awareness (soon) will be a result of “sharing” – can’t stop the signal!!!!

    • SpanishAuthor

      You obviously dont know what the fuck you are talking about. Content creators have never been fairly compensated in Spain, and they will never be as long as the big recording companies keep making up rules and controlling the business.

      But worry not: we will change those laws, even if it takes another generation. Only those without braincells left to adapt, but with power and money to subdue the country -with US help- defend this shameless law.

    • http://www.google.com/profiles/lucifer666inferno Fran

      Hello George, here in Spain the content made by Spain creators is a shit. Recently its been the Goya festibal, in US you have Oscars, and i didn’t heard about any movie nominated in that festibal before. If you go whatch a Spanish movie to the cinema you are going to pay money for a shit.

  • Fook

    Cawk Sucking UnitedShit!

  • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

    The USA has totally lost the plot. We not only need to start boycotting everything from the States, but ensure our own politicians know what we’re doing and exactly why we’re doing it.

    We also need to continue the new industries who are producing works by supporting and sharing with each other without involving copywrong laws. Once the fools in the MAFIAA see that we don’t want them and don’t need them, they’ll simply die off. But we still need to be clever about it because those pro-MAFIAA asswipes will try to steal your unregistered name(s) and trademark them themselves to block us out.

    We need to create a different economy that isn’t reliant on the Big Players. We can do it for ourselves.

    • Cam

      I understand what you are saying, but if we boycott Hollywood it will just fuel them more to blame their losses on piracy.

      • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

        They can blame whomever or whatever they like, but everyone knows that sharing digital files for no cash, no profit and no gain loses Hollywood or the MAFIAA nothing.

        They’re like a child in a temper tantrum, and they’ll stay in the huff until they grow up and realise they simply CANNOT get it all their own way all the time.

    • Momo

      Tbh, there’s no way to boycott the US. Even if you buy stuff made in your own country by local companies, there’s a good chance those companies are still paying patent fees to US rights holders.

      That’s what the patent system is for, isn’t it? Whatever anyone does in any other part of the world, the US tax collectors will come because they have a piece of paper that says “we had the idea first so we own it!”. Economic imperialism at its worst.

      • Greenfire

        I’ve read a lot of stupid shit posted by 10 year olds on TF but this one took the cake. Are you shitting me? What is the patent system for? Stop drinking the Kool-Aid. Intellectual property rights are part of the foundation of the capitalist system. Why would you do R&D if you knew that your efforts would be pointless as competitors would steal your idea as soon as you started producing it? Its necessary for our society to move forward. Don’t think so? Think that everything should be free and everyone should be equal? Go live in the Soviet Union you communist.

        Am I a troll? No. I’m a member of multiple private trackers. I just don’t have illusions that my illegal downloading is part of a greater struggle against the “economic imperialism” that has promoted the prodigious advancement we’ve experienced over the past century. Do I support the way that media companies are price gouging now? No. Do I think they should innovate and get a new business model? Absolutely. But by no means are copyrights and patents wrong and immoral, in fact, if we didn’t have them, human advancement would slow down to a great degree.

        I’m going to sit back and enjoy all of the ignorant responses I’m going to get to this post.

        • Anonymous

          You might get a few but not from me, I understand the balance and return on investments….

          Perhaps when the balance comes down to reasonable terms for holding a copyright (Disney chars still out of public domain, I feel should be lessened some)

          As for the P2P market, it’s an evolution beyond any previous model of our past. It’s not society’s fault, esp in the movie industry as they regress while watching the problems of the music industry’s rampant copying.

          They didn’t even bother providing digital downloads till long after P2P systems were in place….even then, why pay more for less? Spirit of American consumerism is canibalizing the media industry, being over charged for net, cable, phone, nearly everything, can’t really blame society for taking a nibble of digital media w/o paying the toll.

          They are just giving the same courtesy they were given as “valued customers”.

          Also, don’t hate on Communists. Like Americans suffereing from their evil war lord leaders, Russia/Soviet Union citizens are also feeling bs from THEIR nations. Anyone hating on free stuff has something wrong /w them and would bottle water to sell it to their kin…..or poison the local water table to get more people buying it…lol

        • Momo

          You are confusing what the patent system was intended for and what it IS for.

          As for me being a communist, whatever. You are fascist, go live in Nazi Germany.

        • Greenfire

          What exactly is it for then? Protections like patents and copyrights provide developers and people who contribute something valuable to society to profit nicely off of it. Is it wrong to pay someone for their hard work? Clearly, you think it is, since you’ve probably never worked a day in your life, but people who are actually contribute to society would understand. Let me repeat that. You’re probably one of those idiot leeches on welfare or “disability” who smokes pot all day and wonders why he’s getting nowhere in life.

          All you do is call people names and hate on what makes this world go round. Why don’t you substantiate ANY of your claims GOOD SIR?

        • Momo

          So, you think you got me all figured out, MY FAIR LADY? I have to deal with both copyrights and patents on a daily basis, and can I assure you I know fairly well what they are for.

          The “basis of the capitalist system”? Don’t make me laugh. Competition is the basis of a healthy capitalist system, which is more than enough. Copyrights and patents are the play-things of rent-seekers looking for easy money and wanting to shut out small competitors.

          You can’t argue that’s not the case, because it is. Start a software company and try to compete with the big guys (I dare you!), and see how long it takes for the lawsuits to start coming in: the risk of being sued is greater than you think, and such a lawsuit is probably enough to take you off the market and straight into bankruptcy.

          “if we didn’t have [patents and copyrights], human advancement would slow down to a great degree”

          Please, citation most certainly needed. I think the burden of proof is on you to JUSTIFY the existence of these institutions with real evidence and not hand-waving assertions like that. Perhaps without them the progress would have been even greater, but who knows, RIGHT?

        • Ninja

          Actually, R&D has died, real R&D I mean. No company will support a research line if there isn’t a degree of certainty it’ll lead to profits. And the patent system has been subverted to a point where a Japanese company is registering a tree in Brazil as their ‘intellectual property’. Your black and white vision is understandable and became evident when you started yelling about Communism. And I’m not even discussing the fact that Communism as it should be has never existed.

          Bottom line is that capitalism has reached some sort of crossroads. It cannot continue as it is, for pure profit. The subprime thing has show this.

          Lucky us the universities still put a lot of money and effort in “useless research”.

          Creativity and creation efforts will exist despite all the moaning and despite the FREE access to culture. We just need to change the way things work to have things running with free.

        • Greenfire

          I really don’t see whats wrong with the idea that if a brilliant idea is profitable or less costly than the previous alternative, then the inventor of the idea should profit off of it. I don’t deny that there are flaws with the system, but when a bumbling idiot like Momo goes raging about shit he has no idea about, it annoys the hell out of me.

          With regards to your point, sure, creativity and creation efforts will continue exist, and indeed, proliferate, as people are given a good incentive to create something that works. Like I said, I think the current distribution method is flawed, but don’t you think that the person who thinks of the solution to the problem will be a billionaire, and a very well deserved one? It’s the beauty of the system. Stupid ideas are tossed aside, brilliant ones are well compensated for.

        • Momo

          Enlighten me, oh wise one who has all the answers. If I have no idea what I’m talking about, show me that out-competing others in the market is not enough to compensate innovators and therefore additional monopolies are needed.

          Surely, since you are so much more clued up on this subject than me you must have something to support the statement that patents and a promise of “billions” are the main driver of innovation. Really, will we be stuck without anyone bringing new ideas to market to compete in their absence??

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  • Nuked

    Hey.. dont forget The Netherlands man!! lol..

  • Neococozone

    Maybe if we got the same content at the same time as the USA, we’d have the opportunity to actually pay. I try to buy stuff and content all the time and end up getting rejected because of my location.

    • Anonymous

      Very good point. P2P > streaming or You Tube b/c of that bs. If you know that official copies are also going to be ruining your pc /w viruses and unskipable ilk, the download copy even beats the original counterpart.

  • Anonymous

    Where’s the PDF for the 2011 report?

  • Anonymous

    The “iRA” wan’t a “”copyright regime”" imposed in another country ?

    Spoken like true dictators.

    Who do they think they are ? The British Empire in 1700 ?

    QUOTE:

    Spanish enforcement authorities have established the de facto decriminalization of illegal downloading of content distributed via P2P file-sharing,” they argue.

    ENDQUOTE:

    WOW…. Hold your horses…

    The “iRA” & co have tried to criminalise people sharing content privately via P2P file-sharing.
    HOW can you Decriminalise something that was NEVER a crime.. ( retarded , r u ? )

    OK.. “iRA” and your “maffia” friends……
    You win… create whatever laws you wan’t to criminalise NORMAL people for sharing.

    We the people , will let you Fine us , throw us in jail , ffs even execute us ….

    just so you can boost your RECORD PROFITS…

    • http://www.facebook.com/eric.boehm Jack Murdock

      Oh noes! They want a “uphold the laws” regime! Stupid dictatorship telling us that we can’t get everything for free!

      • Momo

        Picking on the weak just shows how weak you are.

        The issue here isn’t that the US wants those countries’ laws to be upheld, it wants those countries to change their laws to suit the US’s own agenda, even if that is against the interests of the people of those countries. That’s the US interfering with other countries’ democratic system by bullying them to pass laws they don’t need.

        If you don’t see the problem with that, then you are fucking stupid.

        • brudda

          Hey Momo,
          I’m sick of your whining! Spain is a financially strapped, broken mess. Because their citizens aren’t productive and have a serious sense of entitlement, the country is almost broke and will probably have to go suckle on the teats of the EU to survive. Spain is in no position to to disagree with anybody that has the financial power to help them survive. That’s the reality of the situation, little boy. Why don’t you come down off your high horse and STFU!

        • Pheldespat

          Errr… Spain won’t have to suck the EU’s tit. Spain finances are in much better condition than Greece’s, Ireland’s and Portugal’s.

          Show proof of your assertions.

        • Momo

          Sounds like you haven’t been paying attention, grandpa. Spain is in nowhere as bad a situation as you think it is, and even if it were, would the US risk imposing sanctions that provably lead to its financial collapse? That would make them a lot more enemies in the EU than even they can handle.

          And if you don’t like my comments, you can blow me.

        • Wiseman

          Ever hear of PIIGS Momo? Portugal, Italy, Ireland, Greece, and Spain? Yeah, those are the five countries which are on the brink of collapsing because of huge sovereign debt. And honestly? If you think the EU is in any position to dictate anything to anyone, you can S my D. You’re an idiot.

        • Momo

          I heard of PIIGS. Last year. Spain has more or less stabilized now, thankfully.

          And are you saying that the EU has no bargaining power whatsoever..?

        • SL

          However all have far, far less debt than the US and arent owned by the Chinese.

          The US will be the 1st to collapse, they cant go on as they are, who knows what will happen in 10-20 years time there. It wont be like it is now.

        • Anonymous

          I gave you prob yer only like brudda.

          “Spain is in no position to to disagree with anybody that has the financial power to help them survive.”

          …but you’ll ONLY survive as long as you listen to US, as long as you do as your told, from a foreign nation. lol.

          Sounds like economic threats and sanctions if these nations don’t do like the boss nations sayz. :P

          Just so we are clear it’s aggressive negotiating…
          Also, since none of the American leaders are voted in, but bought, I won’t hold American leadershit’s actions against it’s people, also victim to this kind of abuse of law.

        • Ninja

          Their citizens aren’t productive? Please, shut up. I’m no Spanish but I can see what shitty Chinese stuff produced goods in a near slavery process can do to a country. But no, China is not to blame for the problems, the real problem here is that we cannot rely on simple and pure profit above everything else. So lets be productive and efficient, lets replace 3 workers working 8 h a day for 1 working till his/her health goes down the drain. Or better yet, let’s replace 10 workers for 1 bloody automated machine that will produce 2 times more and while we are at that we can globalize our production and replace the rest of our workers for Chinese slaves. All that while dreaming there will be enough ppl to buy our 10 times larger and more efficient production with 50% of the work force (Chinese/Philippians/etc and near-slaves mind you). Sounds balanced? Who buys the stuff again? The Chinese slaves producing? Think again genius.

          As for the topic of the article, explain me how bending and letting the US in will help Spain go out of whatever problems they are facing? Oh the US might impose sanctions? I’f be delighted to see them do it in the current ailing economy. What would happen if one major country like Spain goes down? Nothing right? They aren’t productive anyway, they can be replaced for Chinese slaves, right? Twice the genius for you.

          And last but not least, why the fuck is MAFIAA posting increasing revenues yearly if file sharing hurts them that much? Please enlighten me oh master of all knowledge. Why do they moan about how their albuns sales have dreopped by 50% and conveniently forget to mention the 1k% increase in digital sales? And I”m only mentioning music. Microsoft has had profit after profit with rampant piracy all around the world. How? And we even have FREE alternatives to their shiet. HOW I ask you, oh sapient one?

          I couldn’t care less if your opinions are different from the file sharing supporters here on TF if you could PROVE your point and EXPLAIN why everything shows the exact contrary. Including in your non-p2p related delusions.

        • Anonymous

          Nice try, Jack off Murdock.

      • Anonymous

        Not.. “”they wan’t an “uphold the laws” regime!”".. ( Twisted )

        They wan’t to Dictate….. the CREATION of NEW laws….

        In FOREIGN countries…. That criminalise NORMAL people….

        For sharing content for PERSONAL use.

        NOT… so “”we can’t get everything for free! “”

        ONLY stuff that can be ENDLESSLY reproduced…….

        At ZERO cost….

        Stuff that , hence , has zero VALUE…..

        Should be free.

      • Anonymous

        Jack off Murdock.

      • Anonymous

        Oh, Jack.

        You seem to have that blinkered vision which is so common to Big Media, and which you believe that the rest of the world will swallow if you shout it loud enough and often enough.

        When will you realise that illegal is not the same as unlawful, and that one is a crime and the other is merely a civil matter?

  • GUEST

    their are a billion more pressing issues for my government to worry about than stupid piracy. Stupid RIAA, piracy should never be considered in international policy issues

    • Anonymous

      America has people starving 3rd world style (that it doesn’t show often)
      America can’t even get health care “fixed” for basic health services for citizens
      America is dependent upon foreign oil for it’s industry’s well being while ignoring solar/wind and electric cars (as an industry, they pretend to push it. lol)
      Education I hear can suck if yer not in a private school
      Regular people can’t have a voice except every 5 years….I see more democracy on TF then in America’s Senate….LOL!

      • Sh100

        Screw the poor, the sick and the homeless… aren’t you happy the US government is looking out for those who need it, the rich people in Hollywood!

  • Zippo

    I’d rather the US keep its nose out of our laws in Canada, thank you. From their point of view, our laws are weak; from ours, there’s little harm in pirating for personal use and it’s been allowed for years. The RCMP and courts have better things to do with their time han go after every person downloading a song or movie – the showy court scenes that exist in the US do not have any place here. Meanwhile, they focus their efforts on bootleggers – those who are selling pirated items for profit.

    Is piracy right? Debatable. However, I’d argue personal piracy is more ethical than suing every kid and grandma in Canada

    • Quest

      i agree, its becoming somewhat alarming at the polar opposite stance that the US is taking with rights, freedoms and privacies in comparison to whats happening in the EU.
      For a country that prides itself on its freedom and democracy, it seems to spend an awful lot of resources protecting the wealthy few and their interests while a growing majority of their citizens are changing the way that they think about downloading and the limitations placed by copyright. Add to that the burden of mass lawsuits are putting on an already overwhelmed legal system and you start to see a country that is less the envy of other nations, and is one to be avoided.

      • Dick Black

        You voted for Obama. Now take it up the ass like a hero.

        • Jimmy Carter

          Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan – who cares? They’re all the same anyway…

  • DeathEater

    Personally, if the Americans believe that they will get away with this…

    Let it be known that should they attempt and succeed that they should be very careful with what happens in the dark when there backs are turned…

    Bad things happen to bad people.

  • wildfire

    i already copy my music from cheap tapes and records that i find all over the usa, movies the same way as wal mart and dvd rentals offer them all over, but thier is a club we belong to and thats all we do is make copies for each other and trade inside to all of us.

  • B4nd0ler0

    The backlash might have started in Spain: http://www.nolesvotes.com/ [or "don't vote them"] to punish in the next local elections the political parties PSOE (left), PP (right) and CiU (catalonian right) that supported the new law. Let’s wait and see how hard these parties are hit.

  • Anonymous

    oOOOOOO Canada …Anyone here forgot how much we also pay for blank media ?…It’s retarded and that money goes to the artist’s ……Land of the free thought that was our big brother from the south wish they would stay out of other countries bullshit ……..

    • Kirkpad

      This is actually an interesting point. In the US there practically no taxes for blank media. I wonder how much money Canada gives to U.S. publishers and artists just from buying blank CD’s (which we could just be using for photos anyways).

      Canada to U.S. “Here — free money for your beloved industry!”

      • Pheldespat

        In Spain blank media, hard drives, MP3 players, SD cards… ALL of them charge an extra levy to compensate the artists in advance. Even if you only use your blank media to store your holiday pics or your homework.

        • Anonymous

          If it’s both nations /w a media levy, then it seems to me that America has tripped over it’s own greed, already been paid and wishes to STILL push the issue further AND keep all the blank media money they’ve stolen, while refusing to pay out to artists or properly disclose the amounts or where that money ends up…

          There R bigger pirates then average Joe…..YAR!

        • You kiddin me?

          I’ll chop my balls, grind them and eat with breakfast cereals if this money actually goes for the artists that need the support (if it goes to any artist in fact).

        • Anonymous

          Ok i did not know Canada had to pay RIAA for blank media. That is just going tooo far. They need to know that that will end if they force a law change. Damn they piss me off, common thieves is what they are!

        • Anonymous

          Ok i did not know Canada had to pay RIAA for blank media. That is just going tooo far. They need to know that that will end if they force a law change. Damn they piss me off, common thieves is what they are!

    • Anonymous

      Same in the UK, going back to the days of “compact cassette” tapes.

      Surely that gives people the right to use them for copying, else what is the levy for?

  • None

    Cant we just, you know, send some russian astronauts up to the moon carting a few hundred petabytes on their rocket ship and set up a server on there? If we all chipped in 20 bucks, and I do mean all of us, I could totally see that happening. Its not far from realistic either – look at all the satellites in space and those little dune-buggies shooting around on the moon, collecting rocks and looking for ET’s relatives.

  • Anonymous

    Your “piracy watchlist” is my list of democratic countries.

    Congratulations to Spain and Canada for retaining citizen’s rights more than the U$A desires.

  • Shiji

    The bad part of us that are in Canada its that we have to keep in mind that some countries dont have net neutrality so we have to take care because we never know when thing will change.

    Firs we have download cap, thats the start of a lot of thing that could came.

    • Glib

      The cap stuff was delayed for now, so your old caps (probably 200+GB if your ISP isn’t Bell) are reinstated (Teksavvy is up to 300GB if you’re in a good area) … pretty good chance it will be completely quashed.

      • Shiji

        The phone like its bell so i have problem already whit my torrents, netflix, Tvshow am waits almost everything. Hope the cap dont come and they continue whit the freedom.

      • Shiji

        The phone like its bell so i have problem already whit my torrents, netflix, Tvshow am waits almost everything. Hope the cap dont come and they continue whit the freedom.

      • Shaunehunter

        I’m on Sasktel, Public owned no caps, no traffic shaping.

  • Z24god

    i love being a Canadian we have the best laws that suit us … who care what other country’s think …. its bad enough that isohunt even goes to court cases in the us for something that he does not have too he thinks if he does not go Canada will enforce the Americans verdict… no they wont … isohunt stay out of the and dont even listen to them any more thet cant come here and do anything

    • Shiji

      His serves wore in US so that make it jurisdiction of US.

      • Z24god

        time for him to move them to Canada

  • Glib

    Good luck getting a law that is enforced in Canada. Seriously, we have very strict laws about a bunch of stuff, it’s just that nobody gives a shit and none are enforced. Christ, I have had friends’ backpacks searched and considerable amounts of marijuana found; nothing (well, other than the cops taking the weed for their own usage).

    You want greater copyright laws? Want to be allowed to seize hardware and get identities from the ISPs based on your IP? Enjoy, you’ll be sifting through 5 years of glorious Canadian bureaucracy before you get ANYTHING, and that information will be wrong because our police are incompetent, and nobody gives a shit. The VERY FIRST time someone has their information given out by an ISP, Canadians will be in an uproar … ESPECIALLY if anyone links said privacy invasion to being the result of US policy (most of us take it quite to heart when the US tells us to do anything). We are already blocked from a ton of US entertainment opportunities (Hulu, a Netflix that isn’t shitty, etc), so screw them. Our copyright laws, at present, are a constant supply of cash to the entertainment industry. If they want it revised, I want their levies gone … then they can try and do whatever they want.

    Christ, I can’t wait for HMV and Blockbuster to fail … bring it on.

    • Anonymous

      Amen fellow Canuck! Such problems in our nations. One day we will have more p2p citizen vote power then they got dollars….d/w.

  • Gizmo

    If the USA doesn’t start behaving soon, we will sell all of our Canadian OIL to China! The USA gets 50% of its oil from Canada. China has offered to pay for a pipeline between Alberta and the port of Vancouver.

    Once on the topic, maybe we could also sell our beef, lumber, grain and everything else to China. I wonder how long America could last without 50% of its oil, 45% of its building lumber, 36% of its meats, 30% of its grain…

    Canada has to power to collapse the American economy overnight!

    • Anonymous

      I love your spirit!
      …but they’d simply invade….oh, wait, oil, lumber, meats and grains are owned by American corporations….Lumber in BC sure is, they ship raw logs State side so American workers got work for their families….while ours can starve. lol

    • Arse in the Log

      Took you long enough to stick it into their arses.

  • sid242

    the truth is no matter what laws are passed and or sanctions implemented the real problem wont go away. this sharing is that is hated by corporations is actual a remarkable thing, think about it people all over the world giving content to others for no better reason than they wont to. think about that for a moment genrily we wont even give a penny to any one and yet were willing to give tunes of data for the vague hope some one on the other end will do the same.

    if corporations are truly interested in getting paid for there work 1st charge fair prices for the products and stop ripping us off. 2nd now im know economics professor or biasness gourew but if a biasness, model is not working then why force it to work especially when sead plane alienates your customers, try changing your strategy consumers wont it on demand and on the net the cheaper the better there are plenty of ways to make that happen there are some in place and even more to be explored.

    3rd i do actual be leave in copy right i think the rights of creators needs to be a priority the rights of us consumers should not out way the rights of those who do the creating. so we need to as a people find a way to get to an even ground.

    my final thot is that if ether side of this problem gets entirely what they wont the world as a hole will suffer i em not a forchin teller and dont know what we will lose but i have a felling that it wont be some thing esaly notice but never the less laking.

  • Violated

    The part that says it all to me is when they say “modernizing copyright laws”

    That should be read changing existing laws to their advantage and removing any last hope of fairness and commonsense.

    I can only wonder the bribes and threats involved to get other countries to change their laws.

    File sharing is not done for profit and represents a modern market for optional artist advertising and sale.

    Those using the old way fight to survive while slowly becoming obsolete.

    • Anonymous

      now this note I REALLY enjoy. bribes and threats. Trade sanctions starving a country if they refuse, calling in debts in full, I can only IMAGINE the crap they pull, thanks for bring this note to light, it was worth a like and a reply. God bless TF for reply chains here!

      • Anonymous

        “calling in debts in full”

        The US are probably crapping themselves in case China (who hold more US currency than anyone else) starts dumping dollars.

        Then truly they’d be screwed.

        I can hardly wait!

  • stupid ass ross

    RIAA can suck my big grey lettuce eating Phallis!

  • Treign

    If the US bullies there freaking laws upon us Canadian’s they will never get my support again on anything. I really hate the and can finally understand why the rest of the world hates them so much.

    • Violated

      I would not worry about Canada when they are well aware of the nature of their American neighbours. They also have a long history of unauthorized viewing of TV from across the border.

      I have been thinking more about this RIAA report and it seems purely political.

      I could name several countries that have much worse situation towards copyright infringement, fraud and counterfeiting than what happens in Spain and Canada.

      These days The Pirate Bay can change government laws and policy all by themselves. This hosting of TPB and friends on Spanish servers explains that nomination. Not long ago it used to be Poland.

      Canada is more a case of failure to submit.

  • There is

    copyright laws simply dont make sense.

    - Price of movies & music is too high.

    how can they justify such a high price for a INFINITE PRODUCT that doesnt diminish when used and movies are only seen a few times on dvd/blueray.

    as for music people have 100′s if not 1000′s of tracks in there collections

    .Also why am i suppose to buy a movie without even knowing if im going to like it or not?, TRY BEFORE YOU BUY is what i say.

    and aslong as hollywood puts outrageous prices on Movies in particular & Keeps trying to Cripple those of us who fileshare i cannot and will not support the

    • Cliff Hanger

      Support the what? SUPPORT THE WHAT??? Come on, you can’t keep us in suspense like this – finish the goddam sentence! AAAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

  • Gargamel

    Boo fucking who, Canada isn’t doing what the U.S wants because it still thinks its the world police.

    Cry me a river so i can go piss in it USA.

  • Pip

    Yada yada…

  • Anonymous

    LOL, the RIAA is run and manned by complete and utter morons. I cant believe someone hasnt clipped their wings yet lol.

    http://www.total-online-privacy.us.tc

    • DocGerbil100

      You have nothing to say. Cunt off, you annoying, pointless spammer.

  • Freedom Please

    Hmm… Seems like Eastern Europe and Turkey are the only areas which truly don’t give a shit about the US and their companies. Hopefully Spain and Canada keep their lax policies, not to mention China too!

    • Anonymous

      by no means are we “Lax” in Canada. We just value order and our citizens a bit more then Americans, lost in profit, do.

      Sorry, I mean American slave masters, the slaves get the same as any nation’s citizens (plus lawsuits)

  • dats racis

    Turkewitz
    What a surprise, he’s a kike! Jews gonna Jew!

  • dats racis

    Turkewitz
    What a surprise, he’s a kike! Jews gonna Jew!

  • :)

    So US fails at controlling the world economy, so now they try to control the world copyrights. Good luck with that. I think the world has had fairly enough about you trying to be the world police. In a republic state, the power belongs to us, the people.

  • Oy

    The Retarded Israeli Assholes Association issued the following statement by Greedy Yiddowitz, Executive Vice President, International:
    “blah blah we want money blah blah give us your land too blah blah holocaust blah blah this will somehow benefit America’s economy even though all we jews do is leech money out of it”

  • Canuckster

    The RIAA, MPAA, BSA, and a number of others are on a “special” list here in Canada, to be closely watched should intervention become a necessity. When you rock the boat, expect to fall into the water and drown.

  • Joe011089

    The reason for canada being a safe haven for piracy is because unlike most countries the politicians are scared of the people and they can loose their job at the click of your finger if they do not do what the vast majority of the people want, therefore if canadians dont want retarded piracy laws, they wont get any. recently a health office did something that pissed canadians off and he was fired the next day, long live canadian democracy!!

    • Violated

      These days I can only wish that those in Spain could say the same.

      This Sinde law has already been widely condemned and rejected by both the artists and the public. Instead of tossing it in the bin they play democratic dictatorship by tweaking it a little and forcing it through.

      To make it twice as worse then Wikileaks clearly show this law is being forced on them by the USA.

      That is how riots and arson can happen.

      France knows much about that one.

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  • Foff

    Us americans can nuke the crap out of any country we own the world do what we say or die

    • Ploff

      M.A.D. or Mutually Assured Destruction. Remember that one? It prevents the US from nuking he crap out of anyone they feel like, otherwise they probably already would have done so by now. They’re the only country to have ever used nukes in anger after all ;)

    • Z24god

      good luck on that…. typical american must be as dumb as george bush or from the same hole

  • US Dissident

    Speak for yourself nitwit.

  • Levelstar

    USA freedom’s land lmfao

    • Anonymous

      Time for Guy Fawkes to bomb the RIAA building.

      • Z24god

        yep i think so… they should not let me in the us because it would happen

  • Levelstar

    USA freedom’s land lmfao

  • Swe

    Spain did become USA puppet state after all and soon Canada will follow.

    • Z24god

      not going to happen

  • AnarchyNow

    Property is theft, intellectual property is mass genocide!

    • Anonymous

      Ok i’m pro sharing, but this is not an anarchy blog. Piss off dumb ass.

    • DocGerbil100

      Some views on this site I agree with, some I don’t, but “intellectual property is mass genocide” has to be the singlemost completely batshit-insane thing I’ve ever heard! I don’t know what you’re smoking, but I’m very relieved not to be smoking it. :D

  • Blackplan

    US trying to dictate policy elsewhere again. Oh Dear.
    Don’t buy records Unless they specifically state that sales money goes to the artist. Go see the people you like Live instead.

  • Ninja

    I label RIAA (MAFIAA) as complete douchebags that need some reality hit in their heads with an iron hammer.

    I still hope that Sinde law will be stopped or revoked in their face.

    Srsly, MAFIAA needs to die. Badly.

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  • Noo

    They never label themselves as parasites

  • Berry Dingle

    OH CANADA; OUR HOME AND NATIVE LAND. TRUE, STRONG AND “FREE” …

  • Anon

    Cool Story Brah

  • Anon

    Cool Story Brah

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  • FuzzyDuck

    I am placing the United States as number one on my special watch list of countries most likely to be attacking fundamental freedoms around the world and bullying other countries into submission. Second is the European Union and third China.

    • Donotreply

      Tragic isn’t it, the one country that considered itself a beacon for Democracy is the international worlds biggest dictator. Fancy that =/

  • FuzzyDuck

    “modernizing its copyright regime”

    What a load of corporate double-speak!

    The RIAA are a bunch of f*cking commies and nazis, they certainly talk like they are. They twist the meaning of words and mislabel things better than Goebels or the Pravda ever could.

  • JFK The corpse of

    To all my brothers under the thumb of US oppression, EVERYWHERE, Shoot the leaders in the face.
    1000 Jared Loughners and we could have a chance.

  • JFK The corpse of

    To all my brothers under the thumb of US oppression, EVERYWHERE, Shoot the leaders in the face.
    1000 Jared Loughners and we could have a chance.

  • https://thepiratebay.org/user/man-o-tor/ manOtor

    I believe the RIAA, MAFIAA and all the other anti-pirate organizations force their employees to wear butt plugs. There is no other explanation to there behavior. How these people think, what crap comes out, when they open their mouths – really – that’s it! Butt plugs! Makes it almost understandable. If I had to ruin peoples lives on a daily bases by demanding money for something someone else (who is long gone and doing other things) created, knowing in my heart that something is definitely wrong with this perspective, but not being able to think about it clearly since my brain gets more and more flooded with shit that can’t find it’s way out, because I’m butt plugged – well, I’d probably get a little cranky, demanding and maybe a little insane myself.

    But seriously, we have to start to not take these poeple serious anymore!
    Don’t let me be missunderstood: we should take their actions very seriously, but the organizations themselves and the people working for them believeing in them definitely not.
    Whenever you meet one, who sympathizes with them, laugh at him, talk to him like to a child, that you just caught doing some serious shit. Put yourselve above the moral standards of the other person. Don’t discuss, just make clear that there don’t is a point to begin with!
    Write to your politicians, not whining, but demanding! Demanding that they put an end to that scheme shit, or else! Demanding they start to discuss the topic copyright from a completely new perspective, or else!
    But whatever you do, don’t ever take these people seriously as a person.
    They are like kids testing how far they can go without getting burned and noone is stopping them – treat them as such. We now how they really think, since the emails leaked from ACS:Law: “Hehehe, ‘artists in need’ my ass, I want a new car; maybe one of those artists can give me a paint job… for free… since I’m fighting for his money…or better a blow job…”!

    phew… I had to get this out of my system….., feeling better now ;)…

    So, please: grow some balls and stop whining everyone, and instead do something. Go to your local film production company and laugh at them.
    Go to your responsible politician and laugh at him.
    Go talk to artists. Those you can touch and actually meet. Those Bieber-girls that are out of your reach, who still take making more money than you can spend in your life by hoopadidoodleing for granted and think it’s a law of nature – go to them and wave to them with their newest album (that you just downloaded). That way you can at least make them angry!
    And I say it again: the only way these people will learn is, if we don’t take them seriously!
    And eventually they will come around – because we are right…

    Cheers

  • Yuri

    Crap like this really makes me ashamed to be an American. To other countries: Please keep fighting back against our crappy laws and bullshit policies. Also the RIAA! I’m on your side.

    • Yuri

      Oops, now that I read it, that post looks like I’m saying I support the RIAA..I meant to say I support the other countries’ efforts against them.

      • Ninja

        Had the same thought but you are forgiven. I believe that you aren’t alone by a few millions. Cheers! And good to know there is serious sanity inside the US eve though the Govt has gone srsly wrong.

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  • IDF Nazi

    A typical Jewish attitude
    All of your property and land belongs to the Jews because “G-d” gave it to us, you must follow our rules without question, if you don’t you are a terrorist and we will destroy you.
    Jews are the same all over the world.

    • Anonymous

      U got anything to support your hate? Thought not.

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  • OoCanada

    Screw you RIAA! Trying to get the US to do your f-ing dirty work? Really? Keep your dirty fingers away from my country and quit bitching just because Canada isn’t your lapdog.

  • Anonymous

    Guys can we keep the childish name calling to a minimal please? every time I come on here all i see are comments left by people who must be children.

    An offshore sever needs to be set up and a LOIC command center be built to take down any corporation or group who opposes democracy and the rights of who are members of society. The RIAA started this war ten years ago when they went after napster and since then they have gone on a rampage suing innocent people for astronomical amounts destroying their lives in the process, World War 2 took years to end and just like WW2 our battle has been going on for far to long it is time to end the war and send Mafiaa to hell hit them where it hurts. Cyber attacks are justified in this war againts an entity who plays dirty.

    • Anonymous

      “The RIAA started this war ten years ago when they went after napster”

      You’re forgetting about the MPAA and Sony/Betamax?

      You’re forgetting all the whining they did when cassette tapes (and eventually DAT) were around?

      This goes back much further than ten years.

    • Anonymous

      “The RIAA started this war ten years ago when they went after napster”

      You’re forgetting about the MPAA and Sony/Betamax?

      You’re forgetting all the whining they did when cassette tapes (and eventually DAT) were around?

      This goes back much further than ten years.

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  • Yo Ho

    Why must we fight?
    You know what Jews and pirate have in common? They love gold! And stealing shit.
    We’re not so different after all.

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  • Anonymous

    The record industry must not believe their luck in getting american officials to protect their unimportant and highly overrated industry.

    Protectionism, that’s all it is.

  • This

    too bad riaa we have a minority govt and looks like that will continue for a long time.
    IT also looks like the majority are beginning to flex there voting skills and pressure politicians to NOT only NOT bring new copyright laws but reverse things LIKE
    UBB stupidity, and gut the conservatives 3rd try at a copyright bill.

    NEXT UP reducing copyright terms….

  • Qqqq

    LoL having commom sense in now piracy…

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    LoL having commom sense in now piracy…

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  • Billco

    As a Canadian, can our government not slap these cretins with a libel suit ? These RIAA monkeys sure like to accuse people without basis.

  • Billco

    As a Canadian, can our government not slap these cretins with a libel suit ? These RIAA monkeys sure like to accuse people without basis.

  • Carlosdivisa

    You RIAA STOP insulting my country! Get out of Spain!

  • Anonymous

    ? ???? ?????? ??????????. ???????? ????????!

  • Anonymous

    “Canada – The only country to successfully invade the US and burn its capital to the ground”

    They’re probably still pissed at that too.

  • Autnomous

    They can b!tch and moan as much as they like, but consider this:

    In 1908 the major film companies (Edison, Biograph, Vitagraph, Essanay, Selig, Lubin, Kalem, American Star, American Pathe©), the leading distributor (George Kleine) and the biggest supplier of raw film, Eastman Kodak, formed the Motion Picture Patents Company (MPCC).

    At that time Thomas Edison owned nearly all the patents for motion picture technology and for the manufacture of raw film. The MPCC vigorously defended these patents and was instrumental in enforcing them through the use of lawsuits. They also set standards, or production rules, such as a one-reel duration and no credits for the cast or crew.

    In this way the MPCC controlled the format, supply and distribution of motion pictures as well as the equipment necessary to make them.

    A young independent film maker named William decided that he didn’t want to pay their royalties or abide by their rules and so headed away from New Jersey (the home of Edison and the MPCC) to make it more difficult to enforce them.

    Several others followed and a thriving town populated by motion picture industry workers soon grew up.

    The surname of the young and rebellious William? That would be Fox.

    And the name of that town? Hollywood, of course.

    I don’t know about you, but I find it ironic that they are now demonising so-called ‘thieves’ and ‘pirates’ when their entire industry and organisations are founded on *exactly the same thing* as they are now complaining about.

    But they did it to increase their profits, which is much worse than simply sharing.

    Pot. Kettle. Black.

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