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UK 3-Strikes MP Ignorant on File-Sharing

The UK has been consulting over proposals to deal with file-sharing, but it appears to have been an empty gesture. Speaking the day after the consultation closed, the MP in charge is already keen to move against P2P, noting the necessity of it during interview. If only his reasons for for doing so were based in truth.

Sion Simon, a Labour MP from Birmingham and the Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Creative Industries at the Department for Culture, Media and Sport, spoke out earlier this week at the National Labour Party Conference in Brighton on the proposed UK 3-strikes laws.

“The lesson of iTunes and Spotify is that what people want is ease of use and convenience and cheapness. And you only have to look at the decrease there has been in filesharing since the increase in popularity of Spotify.
“You only have to look at the number of people who came off illegal filesharing when iTunes came out to know that filesharing isn’t the answer, it’s not the future, it’s not valuable of itself – it’s a technology that currently is being used to circumvent the law.”

However, his words, as reported by the Birmingham Post, lack a certain ring of truth. For example, let’s take the claim that file-sharing decreased after Spotify gained popularity. While we agree that the service has the potential to convert many music pirates, its effect on the overall volume of file-sharing is simply not there.

The Pirate Bay informed TorrentFreak that traffic from the UK is still growing, at an average of around 1% per month. Mininova likewise has seen a 15% growth, of 7 million unique visitors a month, from 38.6 million in September 2008, to 45.6 million in August of 2009. Clearly Spotify hasn’t decreased much. Strike 1.

More worrying though is the claim that file-sharing technology is not valuable. For one, Spotify itself is based on file-sharing technology, with the brain behind the popular BitTorrent client uTorrent as one of its main developers. That aside, the state-funded BBC is involved in various BitTorrent-based projects, and the technology chiefs there believe that P2P TV has a future, and many independent artists are already putting it to use.

Over the past few years, we’ve brought you dozens of stories about people being enabled by the technology, from independent artists, to filmmakers (large and small) and even large corporations that can now effectively distribute data without incredible bandwidth outlay. File-sharing technology is very valuable to those people, Strike 2 for the MP from Birmingham.

That brings us to another statement Simon made, with Yahoo reporting him as saying that whilst it is illegal, there is currently no anti-piracy legislation. Those that have read our stories about Davenport Lyons, and ACS (and the thousands they have targeted) know there is indeed legislation. So too does Alan Ellis, and the Oink uploaders who were sentenced earlier this year. For Mr Simon, that’s strike 3.

It’s just lucky for him that no-one’s proposed a law where if an MP has gone on the record and made 3 basic factual errors, his parliamentary benefits should be cut off or throttled.

Mr Simon was contacted for comment, but did not reply at time of press

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  • DTL

    unfortunately its a common thing for mp’s to lie. why? because they get away with it time and time again

    ukpp where r you??

  • Stop ur Bitchin

    I have sent this article to his e-mail.

  • vyvyan

    @3 as if he will read?

  • Dan

    @4 – He might not, but if everybody else who reads this sent it, he would have little choice but to read it – no matter how much he disagrees.

  • Seiib

    #6 Hmm :/

  • Glemball

    I understand how these MPs are making mistakes they have been slaving away filling in all the expences forms.No errors there.

  • Anonymous

    The response of the governments and the entrenched corporations is laughable. This is a technological arms race they cant win. Encryption is coming soon. Processors have doubled their capabilities every two years for the last decade. Very soon we will be able to just as easily encrypt the information being sent over bittorrent with a key that would take five years to brute force.

    Three of the private trackers I belong to already have this practice, albeit to a lesser degree.

    It won’t be just pirates using this kind of technology either, but everyone who uses the internet. Common people will do it for security reasons, to protect themselves from identity theft and other forms of malicious exploitation.

    In another decade nothing sent over the internet will be usable to anyone except the viable parties.

    Phone calls will go the same way. Already most of them are in the process of converting to voice over internet protocol. Much more information can be sent on the same lines if it is sent as bytes, so there is a lot of incentive to do this. From there, encrypting the bytes being sent is easy.

    Police will be forced to work without the aid of phone-taps.

    This is an arms race that the governments and corporations can’t win. Heck, some of the corporations are even promoting this technology.

    Wait and see.

  • Sendaii

    He’s a Labour MP, what do you expect? The vast majority of them are lying technophobes who would kill their own mothers for votes.

    Also, is anyone else from the UK having trouble visiting this site? The only way that I can access it is by using a proxy.

  • David

    @4 he is an MP he must read and reply to all e-mails, his e-mail is simons@parliament.uk I would recommend telling him to research file sharing technology, he is very ignorant.

  • Koekje

    @9 Sendaii

    I can access it fine from the UK

  • Comeoncomcast

    Simon. OMG, Why fail so hard? lol xD

  • Wizard

    @9
    I am from uk & have no problems with the site. ISP = Virgin

  • Wizard

    They should spend more time on the things that matter = getting us out of this recession & getting rid of the mp’s that fraudulently claim expenses.

    Government = FAIL

  • Comeoncomcast

    @9

    Stop using Internet Explorer lol
    http://opendns.com <3

  • ilikrlamb

    the one day that i get to post 1st i will….. apart from that….. this war in cyberspace and the real world is an amazing story that will be looked apon as history in the future ……..thanks for the update

  • Prometheus

    Apparently this minister has gone native. He is not setting policy, but executing the policy of the lobby-group his department represents.

    Anyone who has watched “Yes Minster” will know that this is quite normal for (British) politicians.
    The minister of education lobbies for the teachers-unions
    The minister of defense lobbies for the weapons manufacturers
    etc, etc.

  • http://www.eZee.se www.eZee.se

    Government officials who dont have a clue about what they are talking about… sad, but whats new?

  • dude

    lol
    funny article.

    Labour fails.

  • Sendaii

    @15:

    1) I use Firefox.
    2) I’ve used OpenDNS for a long time.

  • me

    If you really think about it, much of the internet’s growth is due to sharing of media. The internet became cool after it’s potential for mass communication came about. It is also such an easy tool to wield. The reason companies are failing at making money off of this tool is not the consumer’s fault. The consumer will consume regardless of whether or not the producer works with them or not.

    If you paid $.99 per song, and there are 12 songs on an album, you have just paid almost $12.00 and they did not even have to invest in putting those songs on CD, or putting that CD in case, or shipping and placing in stores.

    They just duped you the customer. Wait you say? You the customer ware smart and realized what they were doing? Then they get mad mad when you decide to consume in another way.

    My own logic is that if it is not going to be fair anyway, I am sure as hell not allowing the unfairness be toward me. If the songs were at 30 cents a piece, maybe.

  • Anonymous

    Ignorant government … Never!
    Now smart government .. that’s a news story :D

  • Comeoncomcast

    @20

    try deleting cookies (: and make sure your firewall allows access

  • r3loaded

    “It’s just lucky for him that no-one’s proposed a law where if an MP has gone on the record and made 3 basic factual errors, his parliamentary benefits should be cut off or throttled.”

    I rofl’d. Quite literally.

  • lverona

    “filesharing isn’t the answer, it’s not the future, it’s not valuable of itself”

    it isn’t an answer on how to get big money without really doing anything, yes.

  • SNF

    At Commentary #21 (For the moment)

    Good to see/hear/read another person that gets what it’s all about! I applaud you *clap,clap*.

    However, my question is really, isn’t it just as unfair if its 99cents or 30cents?
    They cheat you out of your money either way. It’s just less money, but the principal of your argument would still be the same as I see it.
    They make money for free without work and we comsumers should pay for nothing?!! (It’s a retorical question for those that doesn’t understand my meaning).

  • MultiCast-DHT Tunnels

    perhaps someone should send his ofice a FOI (freedom of information act) request for 3 for his data as regards this, and all content he has seeen/sent etc…

    the site
    http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/sion_simon/birmingham%2C_erdington

    is your friend here as you can directl send an email or fax to his office CO the house….

    theres fr more to this than meets the eye here, look as his voting record from above, YOU DECIDE.

    “Voting record (from PublicWhip)
    How Siôn Simon voted on key issues since 2001:

    Voted moderately against a transparent Parliament. votes, speeches

    Voted a mixture of for and against introducing a smoking ban. votes, speeches

    Voted strongly for introducing ID cards. votes, speeches

    Voted very strongly for introducing foundation hospitals. votes, speeches

    Voted strongly for introducing student top-up fees. votes, speeches

    Voted very strongly for Labour’s anti-terrorism laws. votes, speeches

    Voted very strongly for the Iraq war. votes, speeches

    Voted very strongly against an investigation into the Iraq war. votes, speeches

    Voted very strongly for replacing Trident. votes, speeches
    Has never voted on the hunting ban. votes, speeches

    Voted moderately for equal gay rights. votes, speeches

    Voted a mixture of for and against laws to stop climate change. votes, speeches

    Read about how the voting record is decided.

    …”

  • Dyslexda

    @26

    No offense, but it’s that kind of attitude that discredits all pirate positions. Saying you take something just because it “isn’t fair” completely goes against every aspect of capitalism. It’s their content, they get to do what they please with it, whether or not the consumer agrees. Yes, you might very well be a socialist or communist, but just recognize that a large portion of the world is capitalist, and as such, scoffs at your claims.

  • Andrew Norton

    very handy Multicast, I’ll add some of that to my coverage on this I did on Thursday – http://ktetch.wordpress.com/2009/10/01/clueless-mp-in-charge-of-filesharing-crackdown/

  • Anonymous

    I guess the UK people will bend over for anyone all their lives i guess.

  • MissedMemories

    HA! He Failed.. 3 TIMES!

  • Proud Freetard

    The guy to deliver a plug-in that pulls ads+music/movie and put it on a container like AVI or MKV on the fly for all major bittorrent clients will get rich LoL

  • Hans Pandeya

    Its amazing. The people,and not just this guy, that are at the heart of being so against filesharing are the same people who have little or no idea about what they’re actually talking about.

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  • MultiCast-DHT Tunnels

    also if you read the annotations on this MP’s speeches you find a rather interesting insight into his general thinking pattens as regards his faulty understanding of the law, aspecially what he regards as illegal and whats not illegal,

    even were other underlining law clearly overrules his faulty thinking.

    the international community laws and long standing ‘common law’ in his UK country to name but two.

    BTW the easyest place to send your FOI requests and keep track of hem publcly is their sister site
    http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/search/Si%C3%B4n%20Simon%20

    http://www.theyworkforyou.com/debate/?id=2006-05-22d.1218.0#c6187

    “Email me when Siôn Simon speaks
    View voting record
    Most recent apperances
    Numerology
    Full profile …
    Siôn Simon (Birmingham, Erdington, Labour)

    [b]Is not the point that my hon. Friend keeps making entirely oxymoronic? [/b]Is it not obvious that it will not be in the legislation? Can my hon. Friend not understand that it is not possible for this country’s armed forces to launch or be involved in an illegal war? It has never happened, it will never happen, and it cannot happen. Only in the minds of mad conspiracy theorists does this country launch illegal wars. It is not possible, and that is why it is not accounted for in the Bill.

    See this speech in context

    “Alan Simpson (Nottingham South, Labour)

    True, but I want to deal with issues that we need to view as distinct segments. One concerns whether there should be an offence that relates to the disobeying of orders to serve in what is defined in the Bill as

    “the occupation of a foreign country or territory.”

    The point was made that it is not possible for such an occupation or war to be illegal if the Government of the day have made the democratic decision that it is a legal and justifiable war, but that is deeply wrong. International law and the United Nations and its conventions define the distinction between the circumstances in which a war is unavoidable and the circumstances in which a country has the right to defend itself. But it is not true that any Parliament in any country can make a war legal, and that includes our own Parliament, just because it decides that it should be legal. In the case of the Serbian Parliament’s decisions in respect of the war on Bosnia, we said consistently that we did not care that the Serbian Parliament had decided that it was a legal war for its own purposes; that was not the view of the international community.

    [b]It is deeply dangerous for any Parliament to go down a path that says that if it decides that a war is legal, that makes it legal. [/b]

    That is not the framework set by the international community on the legality of international wars after the second world war.

  • Anonymous

    Also, is anyone else from the UK having trouble visiting this site? The only way that I can access it is by using a proxy.

    I’m in japan and was having the same problem. It suddenly went away one morning as for the cause I have no idea what happened.

    - TCP/IP stack could be the problem as the convergence to IPv6 is still ongoing.
    - DNS troubles.
    - Some app that you have blacklisted the site on your system at the OS level(I think is called that) using the “host” file.
    - Firewall is also a possibility.
    - Browsers have to deal with the TCP/IP stack and DNS issues so could be that.
    - Could be your ISP filtering something or other issues.
    - Could be some third party app(like and antivirus) with funny interactions with your system.
    - Could be a problem in some node along the way.
    - Could be a problem on torrent freak itself as they seem to have some problems with their system because more then once I received the message “you are posting to fast” and I just got here, so either somebody hijacked my IP, my computer, spoofed ips or they are having server problems LoL

    Well to be frank it could be a number of things and this is not a complete list so find out how to test each possibility is the best I can say to you about this.

    Tests you can conduct:

    - Change the DNS servers of your system. openDNS have detailed instructions on their site on how to do it or try typing the IP directly into the address bar if it doesn’t find the site is because something is blocking it.

    - Try using a different Browser, they all have code for interacting with the diverse protocols that exist and it may be a problem with the browser. Firefox have even a way to disable IPv6 interactions so it goes faster. But try a different browser engine (Maxthon – Trident, Firefox – Gecko, Midori – WebKit, Opera – Presto, Lynx – text based no layout engine).

    - Look at the host file to see what is black listed.

    - Use the ping command to see if you get a response from the website.

    - If you don’t get a response use the netstat command to see where along the line it is being interrupted. Then send and email to the contact on the whois to see if you get a response from them or contact your ISP and send them your netstat report and they should contact the other guys for ya.

    - Try using another computer(notebook) to see if it is your hardware. Try other modem. Go to a friend house and test your equipment there.

    Good luck this is what I remembered to do I’m sure there is more.

  • SNF

    HaHaHa At #28

    I guess you believe the hype of “content” on an imatriell internet. I reject your position as a seriuos commentator simple on the grounds that you play the Socialist/Communist card as your only way out.

    Welcome To The Internet!!!

    Free Speech isn’t your favorite subject is it? Becouse free speech is what I preach. Communism doesn’t have that; so your “view on me and my comments” fail beyond even the MPs fail in the article. You are simply laughable and is on the level of “Neo the troll of TF” btw if you don’t know it TF=TorrentFreak. Now I will leave you on that note. Re-read, re-comrihend and for the love of Internet leave the prejudice in your mind, not on the Web. :)

  • Anonymous

    How to fight unreasonable people:

    WALK AWAY and live them talking alone.

    There was a time that no alternatives did exist, now you have plenty of legal options you don’t need to get songs from people who do not license them with liberal licenses that give you what you want.

    Jamendo force the artists to license their music as CC commons so it should be your go to place to get music and it’s good already, a lot of good people are doing wonderful music over there already.

    Miro have lots of free entertainment, although it might be difficult to get your favorite TV show there still there are many movies and series already being made it is the start so it is not that great yet and you could still get some movies and shows from other places but you should also start looking at the free open alternatives and sponsor them so they can grow.

    POLITICAL FRONT:

    Vote Pirate Party everywhere.

  • Screw Mafiaa

    They don’t know anything, as usual.

  • Liuk

    #26

    It seems you do not live in the world we all live in.
    It’s clear that there must be a proper price, but what you said is ridicolous. The end user of, let’s say, a downloaded song, enjoys it and stop. The work behind that is much more than you might think (audio engineers, distribution media, marketing & workers). Tell me: why selling music if it doesn’t worth the work. No money? No problem then. Just think about all those musicians out there – I bet maybe 10% of them is able to pay theirselves everything. And the others?

  • Edd

    If the majors really want to somehow slow down the music piracy, they should in order
    - give free digital gifts for buyers
    - they should put in the internet viruses along with zipped content, maybe with hidden auto running programs – pretty easy nowadays; this would make discontent between pirates
    - they should promote even more what they do, what the prices cover and encourage people with a propaganda
    - a small change in the prices.

    I think if they do this they could actually increase their incomings…

  • Bobe-On (A Love Story)

    Dyslexda wrote:

    “…it’s that kind of attitude that discredits all pirate positions. Saying you take something just because it ‘isn’t fair’ completely goes against every aspect of capitalism… just recognize that a large portion of the world is capitalist, and as such, scoffs at your claims.”

    ‘Capitalism: A Love Story’,
    – by Michael Moore
    Out now.

  • SNF

    At #Liuk

    I don’t care for your bet. It’s is shown time and time again that most musicians like filesharing, do the research and then we can talk.

    So what you are saying to me is the same thing as those “content-owners” do?…

    1.”Pay us because we think you should!”
    2.”Pay us in lawsuits because our feelings is hurt!”
    3.”Pay us because otherwise people will lose their jobs!”
    4.”Pay us because otherwise the industry dies!”
    5.”Pay us the musicians are hurting!”

    I say:

    1. No pay the artist I say!
    2. Welcome To The World Of Free Speech!
    3. They’ll lose their jobs if they aren’t good enough, competent enough or innovative, like every other worker! Welcome To Capitalism! You ain’t competitive enough you go bankrupt!
    4. Good riddance! Then maybe finally we can have some good music produced and not the same tune with different lyrics all the time! And the never ending covers, even covers of covers might finally die, as it should! Be creative of leave the music scene!
    5. No they aren’t hurting because of filesharers (or “Pirates” as you people like to call us), they are hurting because you can’t do your job properly or they can’t sing live because technology are doing all their work and makes them sound “Great!”(or as I say; just about the same as every other so called “artist”)

    Be good enough to survive in the competative world of entertainment or get of the STAGE!

    SNF -Stupidity Never Fails

  • Borka

    Sorry if this post is not neccessary related to the topic, but I just need to splash out some thoughts.

    Well, I really do not know what industry is bitching about.
    I went to HMV today with a idea to buy a gift. I was thinking of some luxury editions of some discographies, something which would go beyond a collection of songs on a CD, something a real fan would appreciate. I haven’t been in CD stores for couple of years and I was stunned to find out how things have changed. In my opinion choice of music never been so poor. Same ordinary CD’s, very small choice of music DVD’s. There is a tendency of making so called packs of ancient CD’s and selling them for the price of one CD.

    Poor, very poor. No proper merchandise, no understanding from industry that the days when person would come to store and buy a CD just out of pure curiosity is over. I would not buy an albom if I would not listen to it first. I would not buy an album just because I’ve seen a video clip of a single from it on Youtube. I would not buy an album just if it is another compilation.

    I see the only way for the musicians to be able to earn is to make their product more fan friendly. I mean they must move into deeper art. It is no longer enough for CD to have songs and booklet to be an appealing product. It must be turned into product of art to become appealing again.

    If musician is a real talent, then they his music find there way to hearts of people and then fame and money eventually will come.

    There is no way music industry is going to win against progress and technology. No way mediocrities and clones will be able to make easy money and live off it.

    Apologize again if this post is not very coherent :).

  • Anonymous

    @38 Oct 03, 2009 at 20:04 by Liuk:

    Do like other people do, cooperate among yourselves to produce something.

    How is that difficult?

    There are already infra structure put in place to finance starting artists so bug off!

  • Miau

    You want change? Join us.

    http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/

  • Anonymous

    iTunes isn’t cheap!!

  • michael8124

    Torrent Freak is wrong. The government never lies and ALWAYS knows what they are talking about. At least that is the way they see it.
    The government never listens until enough people protest.

  • outlaw

    We should all join the pirate party UK. And Vote for them

  • spikyface

    I second that motion

    Join the pirate party!

    http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/

    Yaaaaaarrrrr!!!!

  • michael8124

    …?

    http://www.pirate-party.us/

    Is that a legitimate site??

  • Mystik

    Good Intentions …

    The foundations of IP (Copyrights and Patents) was a good idea. To allow a person to make money off his IP for a limited time. This was not related to consumers, only to businesses. If there was no protection another business would swoop down and steal that IP to make an item cheaper and drive him out of business only to then raise the price.

    Help! Help! Help! …

    The cry of businesses who needed longer copyrights because of ever increasing R&D (Research & Development) costs. Never mind the fact that a good chunk of these ideas never made it into products, nor that costs were out of control and greedy people were making off with the cash left and right. The governments knew, as they always have, the less money the companies make the less tax revenue they have to play with.

    The Flow Control …

    The setup of the new media (Radio) from the start was a funding coop for the US govt. The FCC had brought in more money than you can imagine since only big money could pay those fees and afford those engineers etc etc. TV was round 2 of the big money blitz! So what does all big money want? More money!

    The FCC (or whatever the like division of your own government is) cash cow kept on cashing in. More and more rules were put in place to limit “Free” communication. The rules kept expanding like the guys waist at the all-you-can-eat-buffet.

    Along came a Spider …

    The status quo “Cash Cow” was chugging along flawlessly Big Money was getting bigger, The governments were getting fatter. The personal computer came into existence which changed the landscape of information. Software was free for everyone there was not much of it, but it was all free. Along came Bill Gates with his philosophy “Software should be paid for”. So now software became the next Big Money “Cash Cow”.

    The Few, The Proud, The Rich …

    All IP was firmly entrenched into society. By controlling all the distribution channels for all forms of communication they kept adding to their wallets. Limiting free expression and communications. Authors, Artists, Actors, Musicians, Scientists and Programmers were all at the mercy of these IP fat cats. The governments helped it all along by putting road blocks to limit the average person from getting a Patent or a copyright.

    Even if someone was lucky enough to get a patent or a copyright the Big Money would just use their cash to pound them into the ground.

    Fast Forward …

    The Internet created a spark of hope. Can we finally have free communication? freedom of expression? creativity? That more than anything else has driven the internet to this day. The foundation that was laid in place years ago still allows the control. To make software, games, movies and music costs money, why? The hardware, software and people to develop this costs money. The stages, sets, props, effects and people cost money. No matter what anyone says it does have a cost. This cost was extremely high preventing many people from being able to do it.

    Breaking the Barriers …

    Can this change? That all depends on the IP industry.

    Music has seen dramatic cost cuts, cheap computers and software have lowered the costs. The internet has created a way for them to distribute the content they create. Automation has made it faster to create music. So yes this has changed.

    Software is in a similar situation, free SDK’s and internet distribution have made it cost less. It does take time to write it tho. To maintain anything other than a small application while working full time is nearly impossible for a single person to do. No way a small group of people could maintain an application like Photoshop. So this segment still has barriers to overcome.

    Now I know what you are going to say to this. “What about Linux!, What about Open Source!”. How do you think Linux gets developed? A ton of programmers all over working on it for free in their spare time right? To an extent that is right, but the major reasons Linux has moved forward is because of IBM, Sun, Intel and other big companies paying programmers to write code for Linux. Without all the “Big Money” help Linux would not be near where it is today.

    Movies still have costs, there is no real way around it. The biggest costs have come down. Cameras and computers are cheap. The quality of acting in the “homemade movie segment is sadly lacking. The funny thing is there are a ton of aspiring actors and actresses who would probably be prefect, but they are all waiting for hollywood to call. Good-luck with that!. Want special effects? Ah not on tiny budgets no. There are some solutions but it seems that they have not all been put together yet.

    Look into my Crystal Ball …

    What if Software was free? If the FCC and governments had allowed anyone to be a broadcaster? Well one can only speculate, but if the best and brightest could not earn a living in that area they would have looked elsewhere. The level of advancement we have now would most likely never have taken place. Software drives hardware advances, businesses buying software drives software advances. TV, Radio, and Music would have been different. More creativity and free expression would have resulted in a totally different landscape than we have today. I cannot even begin to speculate what that segment would look like today.

    Think about this, without a profit incentive what would are level of technology be like today? With all the creative people busy doing other things it would most certainly be much lower. Would the Microwave, Cell phone, or Internet even exist? How different is certainly something that would create a debate to last forever.

    The Rise of Greed …

    Like anything else it can be corrupted. Greed has spread unchecked across the globe in the IP arena. The good idea of limited rights to allow the person to make some money off an idea has turned into a veritable greed and power buffet. What is waiting for you there? Patent and Copyright Trolls, Thieves who will steak your ideas, Courts of injustice and Parliaments of Power. It sounds like a video game or the latest hollywood film, but it is life now.

    Seeing the cold realities …

    Like Neo being flushed into a harsh cold reality so are we. Everyday people are waking up to the reality that greed and sub-servitude are the words everyone lives by. Conditioned from birth to accept this as our fate. As more wake up from that nightmare things can finally change.

    No one says people should not make money from an idea, but no one should profit extremely at everyone else’s expense. Like 400M+ (Box Office revenue only no DVD or other revenue included) from something that cost 18M to make (Ie Hollywood films). There are many more examples of this but you get the idea.

    This is what we want to change, to bring the freedom and creativity back to the people where it belongs.

    If you stand up for greed and power all you will ever have is nothing! Because greed is like a virus the more you feed it the faster it grows. The bigger it is the more it needs to survive.

    IMHO.

  • entropy13

    This MP is part of Labour? Wasn’t it a Labour MP that bought gravel for his moat and put it in on “expenses”? Also another MP who put internet use under “expenses” so that the government pays for it, but then her husband goes to the internet for pr0n? LOL

  • Comeoncomcast

    If anyone is Interested he has twitter lol =/

    http://twitter.com/sionsimon

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  • Common Man

    “Without all the “Big Money” help Linux would not be near where it is today.”

    Unproven assumption. One could just as well argue that without the talents of software programmers being monopolized and misused by corporations like Microsoft and Norton, Linux would be even further today.

  • prodigydancer

    Not enough FAIL, Simon. Simon, please, add more FAIL.

  • TattoozNTech

    i emailed the article to this MP dude. i don’t even live in the UK but wanted to share just the same lol. cheers 2 all u folks over the other side of the pond. fite the good fite! ciao!

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  • linux

    Think about this, without a profit incentive what would are level of technology be like today? With all the creative people busy doing other things it would most certainly be much lower. Would the Microwave, Cell phone, or Internet even exist? How different is certainly something that would create a debate to last forever.

    I find it disturbing that people think IP laws are the only way to stimulate innovation when it is not a more powerful stimulant is “survival”. Linux exist because competition and the ever present need to cut costs. One big driver of innovation is war that brought us to the space age, created the internet, microwaves and etc. It was not greed that gave us those things and you can even say that war is saving lifes with heavy investment in regenerative research so soldiers don’t come back mangled and deformed. Greed is not the only stimulus for innovation is part of a complex set and that cast serious doubt on the assumption that we wouldn’t have any of those things we have today. Maybe if it was not for IP laws and copyright we would have a better system then today for creation of innovation that don’t disappear with the end of a company, maybe we would have thousands of producers instead of one, that would not affect the economy if it was going to fail, maybe we could have WiFi everywhere already if people didn’t keep suing other people thatwould offer the services the people want. Survival is why countries that have no way of enforcing IP laws grow at accelerated rates and only start slowing down well big players emerge on that market and start poisoning the system.

    Very big players with IP laws stop advancements.

  • Bobe-On (Profiteering)

    [quote = 50 Oct 04, 2009 at 02:12 by Mystik]without a profit incentive what would are level of technology be like today? With all the creative people busy doing other things it would most certainly be much lower. Would the Microwave, Cell phone, or Internet even exist…[/quote]

    Says you?
    With all the creative people doing other things, one could argue that we might have far superior technology by now, given a different, say, socially-supportive, collaborative model.
    I would be careful about confusing profit with money, and with one notion of profit versus many others. Also, I’d suggest that cooperation/collaboration may be a superior incentive than competition, despite the latter apparently being drilled into everyone’s skulls by those who might be more likely to profit by the brainwash. ;)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profiteering_(business)

  • Kirth

    ..

    This is all drivenby the smell of money.

    BEFORE, corporations DIDN’T KNOW how to monetize the tech. NOW they think they have an enormous untapped stream of CASH and they want to get on top of it for the CORPORATIONS BENEFIT.

    And PART of that is CLOSING this tech to PUBLIC USE. You can funnel all the MONEY in ONE DIRECTION without LAWS to “protect” this newly found “property”.

    Musicians have realized that records companies are parasites who aren’t NEEDED to distribute music, and soon motion picture production will bypass the movie studios.

    And THAT is what they are trying to get ahead of.

    ..

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  • anonymouse

    like so many politicians, he doesn’t understand how file sharing works or the p2p technology. he has opened his mouth before his brain is in gear, spouting complete bullshit without doing any research on a subject that is completely new to him. in an effort to disguise his ignorance he has taken the word of the music/movie/copyright industry and not even listened to any evidence or argument from the ‘opposite’ side. the biggest mistake he has made is to forget that it is not those industries that elect a government, it is the general public. money may be gotten from them to assist in so-called electoral campaignes, but the eventual vote is from the people. piss them off enough and a hiding can be expected. with the labour party a long way behind in the polls, the last thing they need atm is something else to help them down the slippery slope even quicker. pandering to the whims of those industries is not going to save them or him in the next election, regardless of what ‘incentives’ might be received. the same thing applies to Miliband and Mandelson!

  • fight_the_tyranny

    What do you expect? His whole reason to exist is to serve the interest of the copyright MAFIAA. That is the purpose of the department of culture and media, to repeat verbatim the press releases and opinions of the MAFIAA. This of course all payed for courtesy of my and many other’s taxes. How very nice for them. State funded monopoly enforcement service for the copyright elite provided for free by the people they persecute!

  • 00110011

    Another fucking clueless/twat for an MP.

    Society should be throwing these fuckers out! along with the rest of the spineless or corrupt scumbags in power.

  • GG

    @ 9 Oct 03, 2009 at 16:28 by David

    @4 he is an MP he must read and reply to all e-mails, his e-mail is simons@parliament.uk I would recommend telling him to research file sharing technology, he is very ignorant.

    …so are you, he is only obliged to respond to his constituents and your contact information is vetted before a response (ie they check you ARE in his constituancy and exist) and even then it will be an aide that responds on his behalf

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